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[Cutlasskiwi]

I don't care particularly much what the weapons look like but I would like sword belts or something like that. Just no more magnetic backs that the weapons stick to.

Also, yes to rapiers!

[TheCharmedOne]

I much prefer the "fantasy" style weapons. Personally "realism" is not important for me in fantasy video game settings. I like the imaginative, creative and different designs of the overly fantastic weapons. And the sped up combat gives me a sense of urgency and makes me feel more like im in the thick of it.

[David7204]

'Realistic' and 'realism' are very tricky words in fiction and can lead you to foolish conclusions if you aren't careful with how you use them. Too often I hear people basically saying realism is 'good' and the lack of realism is 'not good, but I don't care.' More or less.

It's not really that simple. Particularly when it concerns a very complicated and difficult topic such as swords.

[Realmzmaster]

Leiha wrote...

Not only should they be more realistic in size, I also think the combat should be slowed down for realism. Your two-handed sword obviously doesn't weigh a mere kilo, how can you so effortlessly swing it back and forth at that speed?

Actually the average two-handed sword only weighs 2.2 kilos about the weigh of a bag of sugar or flour.

[Fiddzz]

Personally I like more fantasy based looking weapons over realistic ones, a game full of true born realistic weapons would look very flat to me. I do prefer more realistic physics when it comes to weapons, a little over sized is fine (adds dynamics) but I still want to think that someone actually could lift the thing.

[Iakus]

Blair Brown wrote...

Personally I like more fantasy based looking weapons over realistic ones, a game full of true born realistic weapons would look very flat to me. I do prefer more realistic physics when it comes to weapons, a little over sized is fine (adds dynamics) but I still want to think that someone actually could lift the thing.

A sensible approach, but I found myself wondering how Fenris could whirl about with his greatsword so easily.  And characters I equipped with mauls in DAO I thought sould use th ehead as an impromptu bench when needed.

[PantheraOnca]

I like both realistic and fantasy style weapons. There should definitely be "realistic" options but I'd also like crazy/unwieldy designs. Basically, as long as there are equivalent power options for both types, I'm satisfied.

[Shadow Fox]

David7204 wrote...

'Realistic' and 'realism' are very tricky words in fiction and can lead you to foolish conclusions if you aren't careful with how you use them. Too often I hear people basically saying realism is 'good' and the lack of realism is 'not good, but I don't care.' More or less.

It's not really that simple. Particularly when it concerns a very complicated and difficult topic such as swords.

Personally I've come to the conclusion that when most folks on here say they want realistic armor and weapons what they really mean is that they want weapons and armor that conform to their idea of realism.

[Wulfram]

What I really want is weapons that look to me that they've really been designed to be good at killing things. Fantasy stuff just tends to look less dangerous to me

[inarvan]

As long as we can get away from the enemies' explosive allergies to contact with any weapons, I don't mind seeing weapons that are a bit fantastic. I don't want Final Fantasy swords that are taller than those who wield them, but leaving a little play in the physics of combat makes things interesting and fun for me. Of course, I'd love to see someone doing some fencing with rapier-style weapons too.

[Pride Demon]

I like the idea of realistic weaponry, but aside from the two handed maces (which are a somewhat borderline case) I really don't remember any real offender to realism among DA weapons.
I mean, if I remember correctly, the zweihander, the most well known two handed sword, averages somewhere between 1.65 m and 2.0 m (hilt included) which is in fact the height of an average human being.
I don't see what's depicted wrongly about them in the game, other than the fact that they were somewhat of a niche weapon and likely not as widespread as the game makes them...

[Wulfram]

Pride Demon wrote...

I like the idea of realistic weaponry, but aside from the two handed maces (which are a somewhat borderline case) I really don't remember any real offender to realism among DA weapons.
I mean, if I remember correctly, the zweihander, the most well known two handed sword, averages somewhere between 1.65 m and 2.0 m (hilt included) which is in fact the height of an average human being.
I don't see what's depicted wrongly about them in the game, other than the fact that they were somewhat of a niche weapon and likely not as widespread as the game makes them...

It's not the length which is problematic, it's the width of the blade.

[Pride Demon]

Wulfram wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

I like the idea of realistic weaponry, but aside from the two handed maces (which are a somewhat borderline case) I really don't remember any real offender to realism among DA weapons.
I mean, if I remember correctly, the zweihander, the most well known two handed sword, averages somewhere between 1.65 m and 2.0 m (hilt included) which is in fact the height of an average human being.
I don't see what's depicted wrongly about them in the game, other than the fact that they were somewhat of a niche weapon and likely not as widespread as the game makes them...

It's not the length which is problematic, it's the width of the blade.

Ah... I see now... That's another thing entirely...
I misunderstood the problem, my bad...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:26 .

[CaptainBlackGold]

I realize that expectations and tastes differ - but I have before me two catalogs -BudK and Museum Replicas. BudK has a lot of "fantasy" style swords while Museum Replicas has accurate recreations of historic weapons.

The "Replicas" swords are beautiful, sleek and deadly. The BudK one's just look silly. The reason is that the "Replica" swords were actually created to be used - and form follows function. When something is designed in accordance with the laws of physics, there is an incredible beauty that almost inevitably follows. The BudK ones were simply "artistic" impressions and would be useless in a real fight.

It is not "realism" for realism's sake, just that certain things when designed well, just look functional and therefore "right." However, if someone has never actually seen or handled a real sword, swung it, parried with it, felt the sheer magic of one that is well made and well balanced, then all they have to go on is "looks."

I hate overly large, cumbersome looking "fantasy" weapons, especially the huge anime ones that strongly suggest the artist is over-compensating for something... And while DA2 was not that bad, a couple of the weapons made me wince.

So please, whoever does the art design, give us good choices - do not make the best weapon one that looks "kool" - at least give us the same stats on something that actually functions as a sword is supposed to. That way, both groups get what they want.

[Huntress]

I didn't like any of Hawke's keys and the Jarvia's dagger ..please... they are very bad looking fantasy weapons, in fact I'll call them UGLY for a fantasy game.

[Cathrandir]

Rawgrim wrote...

I agree with the OP. Ditch the oversized manga crap weapons from DA2.

same as this^  i actually never play warrior class with 2handed weapons because of their size.so yes..im all for more realistic weapons.

[Cimeas]

I liked the 'oversized manga weapons' and I hate manga so yeah.

[labargegrrrl]

i want my weapons to be beautiful, realistic or not. every time i think of the twin-serpent staves from both games, vigilance from DAA, bianca or backstabber/heartbreaker from DA2... weapons like that make me DROOL. i'll sacrifice a lot of realism for some good ascetic appeal. after all, it's fantasy!

[Mr Fixit]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

When something is designed in accordance with the laws of physics, there is an incredible beauty that almost inevitably follows. The BudK ones were simply "artistic" impressions and would be useless in a real fight.

It is not "realism" for realism's sake, just that certain things when designed well, just look functional and therefore "right." However, if someone has never actually seen or handled a real sword, swung it, parried with it, felt the sheer magic of one that is well made and well balanced, then all they have to go on is "looks."

Concise and full of truthiness.

[Galactus_the_Devourer]

My rather useless personal opinion: I'm not opposed to a certain level of unrealism: But only so far. It's a fine line to walk and make things too unrealistic and it just looks silly.

[Iakus]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

I realize that expectations and tastes differ - but I have before me two catalogs -BudK and Museum Replicas. BudK has a lot of "fantasy" style swords while Museum Replicas has accurate recreations of historic weapons.

The "Replicas" swords are beautiful, sleek and deadly. The BudK one's just look silly. The reason is that the "Replica" swords were actually created to be used - and form follows function. When something is designed in accordance with the laws of physics, there is an incredible beauty that almost inevitably follows. The BudK ones were simply "artistic" impressions and would be useless in a real fight.

It is not "realism" for realism's sake, just that certain things when designed well, just look functional and therefore "right." However, if someone has never actually seen or handled a real sword, swung it, parried with it, felt the sheer magic of one that is well made and well balanced, then all they have to go on is "looks."

I hate overly large, cumbersome looking "fantasy" weapons, especially the huge anime ones that strongly suggest the artist is over-compensating for something... And while DA2 was not that bad, a couple of the weapons made me wince.

So please, whoever does the art design, give us good choices - do not make the best weapon one that looks "kool" - at least give us the same stats on something that actually functions as a sword is supposed to. That way, both groups get what they want.

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