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[SpunkyMonkey]

I'd like to see an Archdemon in there definitely.

[Kestral]

Mr.House wrote...

Kestral wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

i actually think Flemeth is an old god, and i think she will be the main villain at some point

That would be something.  But I think she is more on doing right than wrong.  Morrigan on the other hand seams to crave power beyond what is considered normal.  I believe she has her own agenda,  and will be more of the "wicked withch" than Flemeth.  Could be wrong.

Well it's clear she tricked the Warden into "killing" Flemeth for her own reasons and not for protection, see Dragon age comic for more details.

I could not bring myself to kill Flemeth, for after all, she saved us from the darkspawn atop the tower in Ostagar.  A life for a life, so I considered us even. 

Also at the beginning of DA2, after she saves you, she sends you on a quest.  After the quest when you meet with her again, she mentions that you in turned saved her life, and she also mentions something about Morrigan although I do not remember exactly what. 

It also seemed to me, during that 2nd conversation you have with her, that she herself was on a quest and that it had something to do with what Morrigan done.  About the ritual at the end of Origins, I do not know.  Whatever it is, I hope it is solved and BioWare lets us know something in DA3.

[Kestral]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I'd like to see an Archdemon in there definitely.

So would I, seeing as the last archdemon and blight was supposed to be a mistake.  Or at least something building up toward it. 

[Maclimes]

I thought the lore was pretty clear that Blights only come about every few hundred years?

I think the Architect accelerated that a bit, but I doubt we'll see another archdemon so soon.

[Iakus]

Chaoswind wrote...

Urthemiel - Dragon of Beauty?

That means my child with morrigan is going to be a baby girl and she is going to be beautiful

I believe in Witch hunt, Morrigan says the child is a boy.

Though with the Old Gods, who knows what their gender is?  I mean, high dragons are all female, but are the Old Gods "just" dragons?  Or something else that simply looks like a dragon?

[MisterJB]

Mr.House wrote...
Well it's clear she tricked the Warden into "killing" Flemeth for her own reasons and not for protection, see Dragon age comic for more details.

I interpreted Yavana's words differently. Her conviction that possession(?) by Flemeth is a gift and that Morrigan was confused seems to imply that Morrigan did indeed fear what Flemeth would do to her.

[Kestral]

In the Wikia, under the topic of Old Gods, it says that Old Gods are beings that were worshiped by Thedosians, more actually by the mages of the Tevinter Imperium and that was thousands of years ago. The mages of that time worshiped them in the form of dragons. Legend says that it was the Old Gods that taught the mages how to use magic and it was believed throughout Thedas that the Archdemons are the sleeping Old Gods that are tainted and corrupted by the darkspawn.

It also goes on to say that what the Old Gods actually are and their relation to the Maker is unknown and mysterious. The Chantry says that the Old Gods were false deities who turned people away from the Maker and became known as the “First Sin” which resulted in the Maker imprisoning them underground. But the Old Gods minds roamed the fade and they contacted the Magisters to teach them magic in hopes of being freed. This is why the Magisters entered the Golden City which caused the first blight.

This is also why there is a relationship between the darkspawn and the Old Gods for all darkspawn constantly hear the call of the Old Gods, being that the Magisters that tried to take over the Golden City were transformed into the first darkspawn. So they are always looking for the Old Gods and because they are now darkspawn, they taint the Old Gods with their blood, making them an Archdemon.

It goes on to say that the Magisters worshiped 7 Old Gods.

Dumat, the Dragon of Silence and archdemon of blight #1
Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos and archdemon of blight #2
Toth, the Dragon of Fire and archdemon of blight #3
Andoral, the Dragon of Slaves and archdemon of blight#4
Urthemiel, the Dragon of Beauty and the archdemon of Dragonage Origins
Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery
Lusacan, the Dragon of Night

It has a very interesting ending, which says that it is still possible that there are "more" than 2 Old Gods left who were just not that important as the 7 listed. It also says that other beings such as The Mother, The Architect and Corypheus can and have the ability to guide and command large groups of darkspawn that can cause a blight/menace without an archdemon leading them.

Also according to Wikia, Drakes are the male dragons, that do not develop into winged monsters. Their forelegs grow only spurs whereas winged dragons are the females. Mature dragons are female, and high dragons are venerable female dragons and are the rarest and most powerful of all dragonkind.

It does not say if archdemons are male or female, but the names given sound male except for a couple of them. Reading up on each name, still does not say. But it does say that the ancient Tevinter believed that Urthemiel, the archdemon from Origins, "FATHERED" a daughter called Urzara. So this leaves me to believe that archdemons are males.  But it does not say if they are dragons to begin with, or if they awake as dragons.

Anyway, Urzara was a high dragon that rampaged through the Free Marches destroying everything. When she and the cultists who followed her were all slain, a talisman was carved from Urzara's mighty tooth and is known in DA2 as a quest reward, an amulet called Urzara's Tooth, that gives +1 to all attributes, +20 to health, and +529 fire resistance.

Sorry for the super long post.

Modifié par Kestral, 08 octobre 2012 - 07:52 .

[Androme]

Mr.House wrote...

Kestral wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

i actually think Flemeth is an old god, and i think she will be the main villain at some point

That would be something.  But I think she is more on doing right than wrong.  Morrigan on the other hand seams to crave power beyond what is considered normal.  I believe she has her own agenda,  and will be more of the "wicked withch" than Flemeth.  Could be wrong.

Well it's clear she tricked the Warden into "killing" Flemeth for her own reasons and not for protection, see Dragon age comic for more details.

I don't think Morrigan was trying to trick the Warden & co into killing her, but rather not telling the entire truth at that point, she later reveals more about Flemeth in Witch Hunt after all.

[Maria Caliban]

iakus wrote...

Though with the Old Gods, who knows what their gender is?

This is like asking what Zeus' gender is.

The Old Gods are men.

ledod wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
All the high dragons are female.

I thought any dragon with wings was a female

I don't see how my statement and your contradict one another.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:22 .

[mousestalker]

They might be crossdressers, getting their drag on...

[whykikyouwhy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

This is like asking what Zeus' gender is.

The Old Gods are men.

Zeus was described in legend and lore as being male, as personifying much of what society felt were male traits.

Have the Old Gods been described as male beyond pronoun usage? As dragons, if indeed they follow what dragons are described to be (and our current comprehension of how dragon biology may work), they would probably be female. Perhaps they were personified as male by Thedosian society, and after centuries, that perception of them stuck.

[Maria Caliban]

Think of them like King Arthur. The King Arthur legend may be based on a historical personage that we know little about, but we can talk about King Arthur the cultural icon separate from that person.

"King Arthur pulled a sword from a stone, married Gwenivere, had a knight named Lancelot, and created the Round Table" can be evaluated as accurate or not without reference to whatever warrior or king Arthur is based on.

Likewise for the Old Gods. They're a group of male gods that the old Imperium worshiped. Whether the beings they're based on were really male or gods doesn't matter.

[Wulfram]

It seems like the Tevinters were in communication with the Old Gods. So they ought to have known.

[whykikyouwhy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Think of them like King Arthur. The King Arthur legend may be based on a historical personage that we know little about, but we can talk about King Arthur the cultural icon separate from that person.

"King Arthur pulled a sword from a stone, married Gwenivere, had a knight named Lancelot, and created the Round Table" can be evaluated as accurate or not without reference to whatever warrior or king Arthur is based on.

Likewise for the Old Gods. They're a group of male gods that the old Imperium worshiped. Whether the beings they're based on were really male or gods doesn't matter.

I suppose that's a good way to look at it, though it seems to me that with regard to divine beings (or supposed divine beings), gender may not even fall in line with mortal concepts of such. As it stands, powerful beings already operate in manners beyond common mortal comprehension.

Wulfram wrote...

It seems like the Tevinters were in communication with the Old Gods. So they ought to have known.

Well, considering that Dumat (or someone/something pretending to be him) may have lied, all manner of falsehoods could have been conveyed to the Tevinters. So too, the Tevinters themselves may not be the most reliable of sources or free of bias.

[mousestalker]

Wulfram wrote...

It seems like the Tevinters were in communication with the Old Gods. So they ought to have known.

It would take a great deal of courage to ask even the blighted, lesser version of an Old God what sex he or she is.

"Um, hello, Old God whom we worship and adore?"

"Yes....?"

"Just how butch are you? Are you a pointer or a setter?"

*smite* *smite* *smitey* *smite* *smite*

[Wulfram]

It seems like it would take more courage to keep referring to them as male without being sure.

[Vicious]

There are WAY too many references to Dumat in DA:O and especially DA2 for there to be nothing going on.

[Annihilator27]

I would love to see another Archdemon,But not so much blight focus if possible.Could make a great cameo for the Grey Warden,

[Mr.House]

Vicious wrote...

There are WAY too many references to Dumat in DA:O and especially DA2 for there to be nothing going on.

Except Dumat is you know, dead. He was the first Archdemon to be killed. The only connection to Dumat we have is Cory from Legacy.

[Hainkpe]

Eveangaline wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Flemeth?

She's not an archdemon.



Does anyone else think she looks a little ridiculous in DA2?

Yes, 100% rediculous

She can turn into a Dragon. She's totally ridiculous and that's the best part about her.

[Iakus]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I suppose that's a good way to look at it, though it seems to me that with regard to divine beings (or supposed divine beings), gender may not even fall in line with mortal concepts of such. As it stands, powerful beings already operate in manners beyond common mortal comprehension.

Precisely.  

Despite their appearance, the Old Gods were not high dragons (that or we don't know nearly as much about dragons as we think)  therefore, while all high dragons are female, the Old Gods may or may not be.  Or maybe they have no gender at all (is Justice male or female?)

[Kestral]

Mr.House wrote...

Vicious wrote...

There are WAY too many references to Dumat in DA:O and especially DA2 for there to be nothing going on.

Except Dumat is you know, dead. He was the first Archdemon to be killed. The only connection to Dumat we have is Cory from Legacy.

Not sure about that.  It is said that Corypheus often commands "Dumat, grant me your powers!" during a battle and the power is always granted, and there is also some sort of quest, Altar of Dumat having to do with an amulet, both of which suggest that Dumat still has some form of presence in the world despite being slain, due to the fact that not only was he the 1st but also the strongest. 

taken from wikia

Modifié par Kestral, 09 octobre 2012 - 12:31 .

[Mr.House]

Kestral wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Vicious wrote...

There are WAY too many references to Dumat in DA:O and especially DA2 for there to be nothing going on.

Except Dumat is you know, dead. He was the first Archdemon to be killed. The only connection to Dumat we have is Cory from Legacy.

Not sure about that.  It is said that Corypheus often commands "Dumat, grant me your powers!" during a battle and the power is always granted, and there is also some sort of quest, Altar of Dumat having to do with an amulet, both of which suggest that Dumat still has some form of presence in the world despite being slain, due to the fact that not only was he the 1st but also the strongest. 

taken from wikia

Cory does not know Dumat is dead.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Kestral wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Kestral wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

i actually think Flemeth is an old god, and i think she will be the main villain at some point

That would be something.  But I think she is more on doing right than wrong.  Morrigan on the other hand seams to crave power beyond what is considered normal.  I believe she has her own agenda,  and will be more of the "wicked withch" than Flemeth.  Could be wrong.

Well it's clear she tricked the Warden into "killing" Flemeth for her own reasons and not for protection, see Dragon age comic for more details.

I could not bring myself to kill Flemeth, for after all, she saved us from the darkspawn atop the tower in Ostagar.  A life for a life, so I considered us even. 

Also at the beginning of DA2, after she saves you, she sends you on a quest.  After the quest when you meet with her again, she mentions that you in turned saved her life, and she also mentions something about Morrigan although I do not remember exactly what. 

It also seemed to me, during that 2nd conversation you have with her, that she herself was on a quest and that it had something to do with what Morrigan done.  About the ritual at the end of Origins, I do not know.  Whatever it is, I hope it is solved and BioWare lets us know something in DA3.

I'd love to see a young, full rejuvinated Flemeth in DA:3 and a quest in which you get to choose her fate.

For me she was by far and away the best thing about DA:2, and was a great character in DA:O too.

[KiwiQuiche]

Maybe they should dig the Old Gods up themselves rather than let them get found by the Darkspawn, tainted, then lend intelligence to the hoard. :| Stupid Wardens, a single dragon is a crapload easier to kill than one surrounded by an army.