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[AustereLemur799]

Krogan are beefy compared to other races - it's a feature. If anything, none of the krogan characters should fall victim to insta-kills from anyone (except perhaps banshees, since that makes more sense); they have an entire backup nervous system and secondary organs etc.

I don't play kroguard at all; I'll leave it to those who do him justice. But even I say no to this idea.

[TouchedByYou]

Totally not reading through all these posts...but the stuff about giving the Geth a buff. Seriously? I don't play a Kroguard much. Sure it's fun sometimes. But the class is definitely not overpowered. They can't dodge, and they move as fast as a turtle. And I've rarely seen Kroguards being able to kill to the extent where it isn't fun in a Gold match. Now if you're playing Silver...of course they're gonna seem overpowered and take a lot of kills. Also, saying Kroguard users opinions don't count is just wrong. If you don't use a Kroguard, you don't know how it plays. In the right hands, almost any class can be overpowered. For the Kroguard, there's just less of a learning curve.

Also, the whole "stealing kills" stuff is just a bad argument. It's a co-op game. **** happens. Have you seen how slow a Kroguards charge is? I start a charge and someone almost kills the thing I was charging, or something near it, and I end up killing it all. Don't just assume they do this on purpose. Besides, we're all working towards the same goal. If you can't handle that, don't play with them. Score means next to nothing in most cases. Especially considering all our scores are added up to be our experience gain. So in the end we all have the same score.

Also, back to you suggesting buffs to the Geth. That wouldn't be good because you're suggesting it to make Kroguards weaker against them, but at the same time that's punishing the other classes. As is, Geth don't need to be touched anymore unless it's to fix the bugs.

I'm not trying to come across as an angry person, just so you know. Just trying to point out what's wrong with these suggestions. Honestly, if you don't like them then don't play with them. I don't see many Kroguards though to be honest. But of course, it could be like the whole FBW issues, I don't run into that a lot either.

[nanotm]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

EvanKester wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

its not trollish, it was an idea, one that, apparanty, has enraged the masses.

people really need to stop getting psychotic over suggestions.

I assume this is directed at me. I like how you conveniently ignored my other post. I wrote "somewhat trollish", because I'm not sure if you mean it or if you're just bored and looking for entertainment on the BSN.

I'm feeling neither enraged nor 'psychotic'. Also, "suggesting" people agree with you now, because you're clearly right is not the best of arguments.

neither is a gang of pitchfork wielding kroguards screaming "noob", but people seem to think that argument is ok

To be blunt: A rational argument would take effort, and nothing in this thread is worth that.

You have not demonstrated any actual understanding of class balance, and your opening post basically anounced to the world that you won't even try to actually discuss the issue. Given that, even bothering to say this much is probably a waste of my time.

I'm amazed this post attracted so many replies, but it is fun to take part in such a unanimous vote.

because the Kroguard is overpowered, there is no middle ground, either buff other classes or nerf the kroguard, something needs to be done to address the issue, ignoring it does nobody anygood

the only thing your posts have proved is you dont know how ot play the game, krogaurd gets wtfpwnt if he charges into a spawn of anything nevermind sync kill capable ones, charge doesnt work if your staggerd, useing fortification is pointless if your plannning to do anything other than headbut oh and carnage is his only long range attack other than jump like a ******,

you cnat kill steal in a game thats all about the team killing everythign asap

the fact you fail at every turn to understand the gross stupidity of not just your original but all sucessive posts just goes ot prove the point your either a completely uselss player (who thinks that having the most points all the time is the be all and end all of the game)

oh and fyi i played a match this morning wiht 3 krogaurds and i was on a destroyer i had the highest points, i swapped next match to demolisher and fck me i got the top spot again.

i swapped ot shadow i came last (cos i was spending 90% of the time dead) i swapped ot krogaurd and we were speedrunning.

your entire argument screams "i'm a total noob douche whith no idea how to play" the rest of us only comment here to hope BW dont take your completly idiotic idea to heart and run with it because that one class is actually a decent VG for all levels particulalry if it has a good support team with it!!!

[jerrmy12]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

 Their biotic charge should only restore 50% or 75% of their barrier, not the whole thing, it is utterly insane the amount of punishment they can take.

Secondly, make it so the Geth have some insta-kill moves, a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing and generally making the game unenjoyable for everyone else.  Kill moves on Geth Primes is possibly all that is needed, or give some Geth units the ability to drain shields and barriers for themselves.

Thirdly, make it so their melee is stronger against HP and Shields but decrease its effectiveness against Armor and Barriers, this will balance out their melee capabilities.

Fourthly, Get rid of Carnage and give them Warp, Shockwave or another useful biotic power, to make them have some ranged effectiveness.

The class is overpowered, anyone who thinks otherwise either exclusivly plays as Kroguards or leeches off Kroguards.

or just don't use it, or ruin fun for others.

[LexD85O]

@OP

You're joking...

Right?

... No?

Modifié par LexD85O, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:02 .

[Grunt_Platform]

LexD85O wrote...

@OP

You're joking... 

Right? 

... No? 

...It would be really reassuring if he was. 

Modifié par EvanKester, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:04 .

[Mixer007]

Stop Whining

[outsidefactor]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

 Their biotic charge should only restore 50% or 75% of their barrier, not the whole thing, it is utterly insane the amount of punishment they can take.

Secondly, make it so the Geth have some insta-kill moves, a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing and generally making the game unenjoyable for everyone else.  Kill moves on Geth Primes is possibly all that is needed, or give some Geth units the ability to drain shields and barriers for themselves.

Thirdly, make it so their melee is stronger against HP and Shields but decrease its effectiveness against Armor and Barriers, this will balance out their melee capabilities.

Fourthly, Get rid of Carnage and give them Warp, Shockwave or another useful biotic power, to make them have some ranged effectiveness.

The class is overpowered, anyone who thinks otherwise either exclusivly plays as Kroguards or leeches off Kroguards.

Its getting rediculous how this has not been addressed.

I don't really see why in a co-operative game people complain about others succeeding. Does it cost you credits or XP? Do you have to play with Kroguards? If someone is playing a nasty OOGY BOOGY Kroguard, leave and find another lobby. I must admit, though, I am confused at what the issue is. Does thier high score offend you? Does it make you feel inferior? Small, in some way?

Lastly, you complain about them being over-powered, and then say (and I am paraphrasing to illustrate my point): "Hey, take away that waste of space carnage, and make it possible for them to set up their own combos with warp or Shockwave! That will somehow (space magic?) make them less powerful".

[niripas]

How about....

NO

[GhostShadow115]

This thread is still alive?

[Master Shiori]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...


Secondly, make it so the Geth have some insta-kill moves, 

WTH?!

Buff the cheapest faction even more?! 

Are you insane??!!!

[Thundercloud2012]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

so many personal insults and attempts to make me feel bad.

no wonder hardly any new people play this game online, what a poor example of the BSN in this thread.

not sure what the age rating for ME3 is in other countrys but here its R13, so expecting.. adult quality debate and discussion may have been abit of a stretch.

Now I suggest you all agree with me, since it is the best option.  Kroguard needs nerf, it is cheap and overused, the opinions in this thread prove my point because there is so many angry people with a varren in their pants about the suggestion.

People are bringing up your rather sparse manifest because it is evidence that you don't play the game much. I don't play the game much and I've still unlocked every character and maxed out a decent amount of gold weapons and gear. Unless you're sitting on 10 million credits waiting for the next DLC so you can be certain of getting a Volus character, then you haven't played the game a lot. 

From your previous posts you've got people shouting at you over the mic for being a crappy player who doesn't contribute anything, and you then make passive aggressive posts demanding that the character class they play gets nerfed. 

You've said at the moment you are playing a human engineer with Locust. That's ok (though you have a Hurricane, I'd use that as it's more fun). This is a support class, so you will score less but get lots of assists and contribute to the team goal of getting to full extraction. There are a lot of things you can do with drone, but they all involve being close to the enemy. You're equipping for close range combat with an SMG, playing a close range support class and then staying miles away from any enemy, so people are going to be calling you a noob over the mic.

Use your drone to set traps. Spec for detonate, and leave it just around the corner at choke points, just outside enemy spawns, etc, where it will zap some mooks then get killed and detonate killing the mooks or damaging a boss. Your tactic facing a serious assault should be Spawn Drone -> Shoot -> Overload/Incinerate -> Shoot. You've got a mental focuser gear, equip this to reduce your recharge times.

Think about using a character build like this 

http://narida.pytalh...4@0ZESDE4A4@0@0

However you also have an Asari Justicar and an N7 Fury. These are both power classes where your lack of much in the way of weapons or gear isn't much of a disadvantage. 

Try this Justicar build, I've tailored it to what you have got. 

http://narida.pytalh...0@0SC@@H4I4@0@0

Also while you seem confident enough to spend your time on Gold, I would recommend playing Bronze and Silver to level your character up to 20 and to get a feel for it, and then go for Gold. You may also have better weapons and gear from what you get levelling your characters up. 

Learn about tech bursts and biotic detonations. The Asari Justicar can prime and detonate using warp bubble/pull or reave/pull, but the Human Engineer needs to be a bit more of a team player. 

None of the problems you have are down to the existence of Kroguard, and you need to understand this is a team game. If you play an Asari Justicar then a Kroguard can be your best friend. Enemies wander into your warp bubble, Kroguard charges to detonate, you reave one of the guys behind him, put a couple of Carnifex rounds in another and then detonate the reaved guy with pull, while the Kroguard headbutts/heavy melees/recharges the Prime. 

You can prime, he can detonate, you then both clear up the trash and he takes the enemy fire to keep you alive. 

This is a team game and kill stealing doesn't exist except when someone sits at the back and snipes the almost dead guy in front of you to prevent a Vorcha Bloodlusting or a Krogan raging. Anything else just doesn't matter, because you want to kill things as quickly as possible because it is a co-operative game where everyone gets the same XP and the same credits from missions.  

TL:DR: No

[Titus Thongger]

The kroguard actually doesnt have that much firepower compared to eg Geth Infiltrators, destroyers, other krogan etc. The only thing he has going for him is durability. He's meant to be unkillable to soak up and ungodly amount of fire for teammates while they are left unmolested to do the killing.

and the kroguard cant dodge too. if you miss-time a charge or charge into a mob of insta-killing enemies, you are as good as dead. they also get staggered more easily from behind now too.

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

No

[PDHoops]

A Lvl 20 Kroguard on silver with a X reegar or Piri is going to own and seem OP.
its hardly the only class that does this. Lvl 20 Fury against Cerberus or Reapers! does the same. Any good players with maxed gear/weapons taking lvl 20's into Silver are gonna rack up big kill scores.

Even on gold the Kroguard COULD seem OP, but in my experience this is due to the ability of whom your playing with. I have seen some terrible Kroguards.

I scored more than all other 3 players put together yesterday against Geth in a gold pug (Dagger) - and one of the others was another Kroguard. None of them whined i was kill stealing or left. I then played a fury after with the same group and cleaned house too and even with a Sniper QFI against Reapers.

P.S. does anyone actually use Carnage on a Kroguard for Gold these days!?

[comeatmeguy]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

 Their biotic charge should only restore 50% or 75% of their barrier, not the whole thing, it is utterly insane the amount of punishment they can take.

Secondly, make it so the Geth have some insta-kill moves, a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing and generally making the game unenjoyable for everyone else.  Kill moves on Geth Primes is possibly all that is needed, or give some Geth units the ability to drain shields and barriers for themselves.

Thirdly, make it so their melee is stronger against HP and Shields but decrease its effectiveness against Armor and Barriers, this will balance out their melee capabilities.

Fourthly, Get rid of Carnage and give them Warp, Shockwave or another useful biotic power, to make them have some ranged effectiveness.

The class is overpowered, anyone who thinks otherwise either exclusivly plays as Kroguards or leeches off Kroguards.

Its getting rediculous how this has not been addressed.

Wow. You want to give Geth the ability to gib? They are the most broken faction in the entire game (stunlocking bull****). I can beat a Kroguard using a Drell. It's not because it's overpowered, it's because you don't know how to use it. If you know how to use a class, it can be as effective as any other classes.

[dzero]

Yes.

Oh I mean "No".

[78stonewobble]

Actually... the question is... Is the kroguard easier to play than an average of the other classes? More than it is a question of score.

Other classes, chars, maps, guns, enemies have been nerfed/buffed according to this.

[Thundercloud2012]

PDHoops wrote...
P.S. does anyone actually use Carnage on a Kroguard for Gold these days!?

Does anyone use Carnage at all on any character?

I used it on my Krogan soldier until I got the Shocktrooper I gear and could run with 5 grenades and I just never looked back. 

classes with Carnage tend to have grenades, and grenades are just better. Unless Carnage gets a buff at some point people are never going to take it, particularly when they have Shocktrooper or Warfighter V. 

[UnitedStatesofCookies]

thanks for the suggestions, OP.
now ****** off.

[Medicate]

lovely to see how many ppl play korguard
i never play it because it's not challanging enough, so i say yes to the nerf.

[Evelien]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

its not trollish, it was an idea, one that, apparanty, has enraged the masses.

people really need to stop getting psychotic over suggestions.

I assume this is directed at me. I like how you conveniently ignored my other post. I wrote "somewhat trollish", because I'm not sure if you mean it or if you're just bored and looking for entertainment on the BSN.

I'm feeling neither enraged nor 'psychotic'. Also, "suggesting" people agree with you now, because you're clearly right is not the best of arguments.

neither is a gang of pitchfork wielding kroguards screaming "noob", but people seem to think that argument is ok

True dat, but personally I'm still just amazed you get people on pc to yell at you in the first place. The only time I've ever managed that was when I point blank told someone I wasn't going to revive them (was either a hack or escort, player in question died on the other side of the map, had been suicidal all game and then started whining if people didn't cater to his every reviving need ....it might have been a kroguard, now I think about it)

[Leland Gaunt]

This thread still going on? Insanity!

But yes, please nerf the Kroguard by giving him WARP... Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard... Why don't you just go back to CoD or whatever BS-game you were playing before ME that gave you such a notion? Every single one of arguments is invalid because you clearly lack the experience in this game to make feasible suggestions. And why are you butthurt because people disagree with you in a very vocal manner? You already called every other opinion invalid in your OP. In my book that makes you the douche, not everyone else. You say that the opinion of Kroguard players or players "leeching" (in other words: playing together with) off Kroguards are not welcome and you only count your BS-arguments as valid. Not a good base for a discussion, right? And then you actually get mad at players in your games because they don't "protect" you and you engineer enough??? Seems to me like YOU want to leech off other players. You feel comfortable on gold you say but I think you can barely hold your on silver (probably not even that). I've posted it before and I'll post it again: your manifest is weaksauce, which is not inherently a bad thing (we all started somewhere) but it shows that you don't play this game very long. Still, you're making (unreasonable) demands and at the same time you are discarding contrary opinions from the get-go and then complain about no one wanting to discuss with you. Sorry OP, but that is just plain wrong.
Sorry, but there's only so much stupid I can take.

[Titus Thongger]

actually a kroguard with warp instead of carnage would be a massive buff. he would be the only vanguard who could reliably prime and detonate his own BEs from any range

[HusarX]

Is trolling allowed on these forums? I'm new here...