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[Bleachrude]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Kroguard has low offense, even with the one weapon that he can use decently.

He doesn't die, sure, but even the support Demolisher, or Asari Vanguard, he heck even the Drell Adept have offensive capabilities the Kroguard could only dream of. Killing one thing at a time? Big whoop. Heck you could even just prime all of the Kroguards targets if you wanted points/to"steal" his kills.

Um false.

Kroguards on average will EASILY hit the 50 kill silver medal and more often than not, hit the 75 kill medal (as long as the rest of the team is not all kroguards/geth infiltrators/destroyers).

What kroguards don't get I find is the silver medal in any one specific kill type. They'll get bronze for weapon kill, bronze for melee kills, bronze for biotic kills etc.

Not sure why people think kroguards would have low kill counts...I certainly never do and I'm not any expert with the kroguard.

[cyleric1]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

EvanKester wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

its not trollish, it was an idea, one that, apparanty, has enraged the masses.

people really need to stop getting psychotic over suggestions.

I assume this is directed at me. I like how you conveniently ignored my other post. I wrote "somewhat trollish", because I'm not sure if you mean it or if you're just bored and looking for entertainment on the BSN.

I'm feeling neither enraged nor 'psychotic'. Also, "suggesting" people agree with you now, because you're clearly right is not the best of arguments.

neither is a gang of pitchfork wielding kroguards screaming "noob", but people seem to think that argument is ok

To be blunt: A rational argument would take effort, and nothing in this thread is worth that.

You have not demonstrated any actual understanding of class balance, and your opening post basically anounced to the world that you won't even try to actually discuss the issue. Given that, even bothering to say this much is probably a waste of my time.

I'm amazed this post attracted so many replies, but it is fun to take part in such a unanimous vote.

because the Kroguard is overpowered, there is no middle ground, either buff other classes or nerf the kroguard, something needs to be done to address the issue, ignoring it does nobody anygood

Krogans are supposed to be the toughest characters in the game. It's not a RPG if everyone is the same. pick the killer or go support, or maybe you're just not able to enjoy playing without dominating the scoreboard. You have to choose to spec 100% barrier recharge, otherwise it is 50%.  You have to carry one heavy or two light weapons to make the charge effective,and it's supposed to be a tank, so no no no no no.  Get the nerf outta here!!!

[Zeromarro4]

I don't even use the krogaurd and I say no. On platinum and gold the kroguard is balanced and the average kroguard needs the squad to support them on those difficulties.

[Zeromarro4]

Bleachrude wrote...

Um false.

Kroguards on average will EASILY hit the 50 kill silver medal and more often than not, hit the 75 kill medal (as long as the rest of the team is not all kroguards/geth infiltrators/destroyers).

What kroguards don't get I find is the silver medal in any one specific kill type. They'll get bronze for weapon kill, bronze for melee kills, bronze for biotic kills etc.

Not sure why people think kroguards would have low kill counts...I certainly never do and I'm not any expert with the kroguard.

i had double the score of a kroguard last night using an asari vanguard with a pheaston a Kishock. However without the kroguard we would have had greater pressure on the rest of the squad so I made sure no phantoms got too close and he did the same for assault troopers.

[O______O]

I thought you were serious until you mentioned buffing the Geth.

Well played.

[LordDeathkeeper]

So much no that the old image got tired and we had to hire a new .gif:

trjdmc wrote...

[Lord_Dweedle]

Giving Kroguard Warp over Carnage gives biotic combos, it gives him more offensive power to justify taking away his overpowered barriers and health.

the shocking amount of incorrect people in this thread is amazing when it comes to the Kroguard, he may excel at being a tank but he is overpowered for a tank! that is the problem 

a nerf is necessary to bring back balance to the game and ensure all games are played on equal footing.

Modifié par Lord_Dweedle, 07 octobre 2012 - 05:13 .

[VGFM]

The kroguard is very powerful, but I don't think he should be nerfed until he's no longer borderline-required in order to beat platinum.

[Lord_Dweedle]

VGFM wrote...

The kroguard is very powerful, but I don't think he should be nerfed until he's no longer borderline-required in order to beat platinum.

if Kroguard is necessary to beat platinum then other classes need buffs, it still points to the Kroguard being overpowered over all other classes, which is my main point.

other classes getting buffs indirectly nerfs the Kroguard, which is an acceptable soloution, just one that requires alot of debate and discussion on how to do it properly.

[Spiffspoo]

#2 Maybe.
#4 Buff Carnage.
#1 and #3 No.

[Okifeelthat]

Nope. That is all

[ParatrooperSean]

VGFM wrote...

The kroguard is very powerful, but I don't think he should be nerfed until he's no longer borderline-required in order to beat platinum.

My friends and I mostly play Gold, but we can manage to beat Platinum - and we seldom do so with a Kroguard on the team. Even with 200% cool down it's impossible to spam Charge fast enough when you're in a mob of bosses.

[tonydaazntiger319]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Giving Kroguard Warp over Carnage gives biotic combos, it gives him more offensive power to justify taking away his overpowered barriers and health.

the shocking amount of incorrect people in this thread is amazing when it comes to the Kroguard, he may excel at being a tank but he is overpowered for a tank! that is the problem 

a nerf is necessary to bring back balance to the game and ensure all games are played on equal footing.

I don't get how you're coming to the conclusion that the kroguard needs nerfing when you're pretty much barely even scratched the surface of the game based on how lacking your manifest is. How do you expect to know what needs balancing given your inexperience with the game. 

In all honesty, play the game longer, unlock more characters, and you'll realize that kroguard is fine as is.

[Mendelevosa]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

[Lord_Dweedle]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

[TheExile1]

I can't believe people are still entertaining this guy.

[MP-Ryan]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Giving Kroguard Warp over Carnage gives biotic combos, it gives him more offensive power to justify taking away his overpowered barriers and health.

the shocking amount of incorrect people in this thread is amazing when it comes to the Kroguard, he may excel at being a tank but he is overpowered for a tank! that is the problem 

a nerf is necessary to bring back balance to the game and ensure all games are played on equal footing.

Maybe if you unlock the rest of the classes you'll find what literally everyone else in this thread is saying - the kroguard is not at all unbalanced.  He excels at a particular role - survivability - at the expense of mobility, dodging, ranged damage, and overall weapon selection (as you need at least 150% CD to use barrier as it drops your CD).

Try playing some higher difficulties.  I play a lot of kroguard and love the class, but my friends who use destroyers, geth infiltrators, and Achire who is insane with a novaguard regularly outscore me in Gold and Platinum.

You clearly don't have a lot of time in the game.  Branch out of bronze/silver and you'll find that the Kroguard really isn't unbalanced at all.

[ripper000]

hes a good troll man

[Lord_Dweedle]

TheExile1 wrote...

I can't believe people are still entertaining this guy.

they're trying to figure out how to agree with me, it takes time, but they'll eventually realise that im right in my argument.

just gotta keep convincing them.

it feels like a public service more than entertainment

MP-Ryan wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Giving Kroguard Warp over Carnage gives biotic combos, it gives him more offensive power to justify taking away his overpowered barriers and health.

the shocking amount of incorrect people in this thread is amazing when it comes to the Kroguard, he may excel at being a tank but he is overpowered for a tank! that is the problem [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]

a nerf is necessary to bring back balance to the game and ensure all games are played on equal footing.

Maybe if you unlock the rest of the classes you'll find what literally everyone else in this thread is saying - the kroguard is not at all unbalanced.  He excels at a particular role - survivability - at the expense of mobility, dodging, ranged damage, and overall weapon selection (as you need at least 150% CD to use barrier as it drops your CD).

Try playing some higher difficulties.  I play a lot of kroguard and love the class, but my friends who use destroyers, geth infiltrators, and Achire who is insane with a novaguard regularly outscore me in Gold and Platinum.

You clearly don't have a lot of time in the game.  Branch out of bronze/silver and you'll find that the Kroguard really isn't unbalanced at all.

the problem with the branch out of bronze/silver argument indicates that bronze and silver gamers are not worthy of balanced gameplay, which is quite elitist and, frankly, inappropriate.

Modifié par Lord_Dweedle, 07 octobre 2012 - 05:45 .

[Sovereign24]

Kroguard is only really OP vs Geth. If you die while using a Kroguard vs Geth, your doing it wrong.

Modifié par Sovereign24, 07 octobre 2012 - 05:45 .

[ParatrooperSean]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

Both, the "show off" comment and the whole concept of "kill stealing" is ignorant.

[RequiemPrime]

This thread is still lingering about?

It needs to move on to the afterlife already......................

[Thundercloud2012]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

It is a co-operative not competetive game. 

You are meant to work together to kill the enemy as fast as possible. 

There is no kill stealing, unless you are killing enemies your opponent was about to kill to gain effects like Rage or Bloodlust. 

Of everyone I at least put together a post recommending ways you could play better (which seems to be the root cause of all of this). At least tell me you read it and thought about some things. 

[RaenImrahl]

Angelwave wrote...

This thread is still lingering about?

It needs to move on to the afterlife already......................

It's on its deathbed, unless something remotely resembling a serios discussion can be resurrected.  Soon.

[Lord_Dweedle]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

Both, the "show off" comment and the whole concept of "kill stealing" is ignorant.

how, enlighten me 

i shall check back in afew hours, by then it will likely be closed however.  not a moment too soon either, this thread has not turned out to be an adult debate at all just a bunch of people spitting the dummy and getting unnecessarily vicious because someone questioned the status quo 

Modifié par Lord_Dweedle, 07 octobre 2012 - 05:49 .