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[78stonewobble]

tonydaazntiger319 wrote...

I don't get how you're coming to the conclusion that the kroguard needs nerfing when you're pretty much barely even scratched the surface of the game based on how lacking your manifest is. How do you expect to know what needs balancing given your inexperience with the game. 

In all honesty, play the game longer, unlock more characters, and you'll realize that kroguard is fine as is.

Well tbh. in a couple of the threads where people asked for tips easing them into gold or platinum there was a few replies akin to: "just go kroguard..."

Which does seem to suggest that kroguard is more forgiving.

I allmost exclusively play gethgineer on silver so I wouldn't know what needs buff's or nerfs for the higher difficulties but I do think that all the classes should have some relevance on all difficulties (maybe not necessarily against all enemies/on all maps).

In that sense: 

"No nerf because I like it that way." isn't quite as convincing as "No nerf because xyz is balanced by zyx and thus it is around on par with the other classes."

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 07 octobre 2012 - 05:51 .

[ParatrooperSean]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

the problem with the branch out of bronze/silver argument indicates that bronze and silver gamers are not worthy of balanced gameplay, which is quite elitist and, frankly, inappropriate.

In the hands of a skilled player all classes are "over powered" in Bronze, and arguably Silver. As someone else pointed out, your manifest indicates you're brand new to the game and you haven't even unlocked many of the classes.

How can you speak intelligently about "ballance" when you haven't even toyed with all the classes on all the levels of play? 

[N1GHTHeR0]

So you're only basing you opinion on Geth? What difficulty are you basing this on also? And that's like saying the Asari Vanguard is a giant show off against Cerberus.

[Mendelevosa]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

First of all this is a CO-OP game, not a "Call of Duty 1337 multiplayer" game. If you are complaining that a character is stealing kills, then maybe it's because you and the other players fail to pull your weight due to lack of skill and/or good equipment. Usually this is the case when complaining about kill stealing. I've managed to outscore the KV with common and uncommon characters such as the Human Soldier, Asari Vanguard, and Turian Soldier. So there is no excuse of using being outscoresd as a valid reason.

Second, you are making all these assumptions about a character being overpowered, when you have only unlocked a few rare characters and weapons. So I don't know how you can determine someone being overpowering when there is no way you could have tested the balance between the characters yourself. Besides, the Kroguard is a RARE KROGAN character! He's supposed to be statistically better than other characters. Even so, a character is only as good as the person controlling it.

Third, you go off saying "X is overpowered" and you fail to even create a convincing argument. You must present valid and non-bias evidence to coninve anyone.The only point you have about the Kroguard is that "OMG H3 KEEPS STEALING MY KILLZ!! *SAD FACE*!" Maybe look at his stats, playstyle, powers, abilities and other factors and compare them with other characters. 

There you have it.

Modifié par Mendelevosa, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:00 .

[teamamerica2]

Sovereign24 wrote...

Kroguard is only really OP vs Geth. If you die while using a Kroguard vs Geth, your doing it wrong.

what he said, although now biotic charge activates blood rage, which now apparently works

[ParatrooperSean]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

Both, the "show off" comment and the whole concept of "kill stealing" is ignorant.

how, enlighten me 

i shall check back in afew hours, by then it will likely be closed however.  not a moment too soon either, this thread has not turned out to be an adult debate at all just a bunch of people spitting the dummy and getting unnecessarily vicious because someone questioned the status quo 

Someone efficiently killing things is doing what is expected, not showing off.

There's no such thing as kill stealing.

[dream3873]

So this is like your opinion right? Have you tried playing with the Kroguard? Get over your self.

[Terravas]

mrcanada wrote...

targaryen8 wrote...

[RedJohn]

@Lord_Dweedle, how the hell you want an opportunity to get the same kills as a full krogan Vanguard with full equipment with your manifest?, come on, it seems you only have 1 week playing this game...

you don't have any powerful weapon at X, or even at V...., and you talk about Krogan Vanguard stealing your kills or being Overpowered...... damn man.

Admit it, you are a noob who doesn't have any kind of knowledge about this game, i don't want to be rude, but your arguments are so weird, you just need to learn how to play this game and get better stuffs, because with your current manifest you won't be able to do anything.

Everyone will get higher scores than you.

The funny thing is, you think that giving him Warp would be nerf it ..... seriously man, take your time to learn a little bit more about the game, and take your time to get a better manifest, then, come here with better arguments and we maybe will listen to you.

[Muhkida]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

People tend to disagree with someone's suggestion if they think it's inherently stupid.  Seeing how "kill stealing" is the basis of your argument, this shouldn't be a surprise for you to see that almost everyone is apparently against your ideas. 

[Jecalux]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...
Pile of bull****.

**** you. And no.

[Dharvy]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

Look the easiest way to play with a Kroguard is to pick a class to support. If he's tanking, he can only kill about 1 enemy at a time so while all the attentions is on him you kill the distracted enemies. I use my Kroguard almost like one would use a tank in an RPG and have my team just stay behind me while I grab all the aggroo and they can help kill everything. I once ran a Kroguard with a CA/CV who just stayed behind me and Smashed everything. You can simply pick nearly any class and just follow the Kroguard around and setup Tech/Fire/Cryo/Biotic combos all day.

If you're complaining about them showing off and kill stealing learn to play as a team and stop trying to go off ramboing. Stick with the tank and you can get kills or assist in kills. If you want all the kills to yourself then play solo.

[sg1fan75]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
don't touch my Krogan

[DarthSliver]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing 

This invalidates your entire post.

nonsense   give me a reason why this is so, sounds like theres a huge "disagree with dweedle" bandwagon to me

I dont know when someone wants something nerfed because of "kill stealing" sorta invalidates the arguement there.  This is a Co-Op game not Call Of Duty, I always score low but i prefer alot of the support classes so me scoring low makes tons of sense. 

[gjsddkg]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Modifié par gjsddkg, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:18 .

[Daihannya]

VGFM wrote...

The kroguard is very powerful, but I don't think he should be nerfed until he's no longer borderline-required in order to beat platinum.

I am confused by this.  On platinum he makes a useful medic.  But beyond being a medic there are a lot of other characters I would use to clear platinum faster.  I played the kroguard heavily for a week as my friend learned to use a fury on platinum as I did.   On platinum i always had to watch out for sync kills.  I normally scored below destroyers and GI.  Kroguard has a tanking property yet a well played squishy character like a GI due to tactical cloak and hunter mode, and a fury with the ability to jump through walls has better surviability and can deal a lot more damage on platinum.

[Od3at]

If you're getting kill stolen by a kroguard melee in the higher up games, you probably shouldn't be there.

[tonydaazntiger319]

RedJohn wrote...

@Lord_Dweedle, how the hell you want an opportunity to get the same kills as a full krogan Vanguard with full equipment with your manifest?, come on, it seems you only have 1 week playing this game...

you don't have any powerful weapon at X, or even at V...., and you talk about Krogan Vanguard stealing your kills or being Overpowered...... damn man.

Admit it, you are a noob who doesn't have any kind of knowledge about this game, i don't want to be rude, but your arguments are so weird, you just need to learn how to play this game and get better stuffs, because with your current manifest you won't be able to do anything.

Everyone will get higher scores than you.

The funny thing is, you think that giving him Warp would be nerf it ..... seriously man, take your time to learn a little bit more about the game, and take your time to get a better manifest, then, come here with better arguments and we maybe will listen to you.

This

[PapaJester]

I think we can all agree that the Kroguard desperately needs a nerf. My suggestion is that we replace Carnage with either Prox Mine, or Tac Cloak. That'll show those OP, kill-stealing jerks.

[Muhkida]

RedJohn wrote...

@Lord_Dweedle, how the hell you want an opportunity to get the same kills as a full krogan Vanguard with full equipment with your manifest?, come on, it seems you only have 1 week playing this game...

you don't have any powerful weapon at X, or even at V...., and you talk about Krogan Vanguard stealing your kills or being Overpowered...... damn man.

Admit it, you are a noob who doesn't have any kind of knowledge about this game, i don't want to be rude, but your arguments are so weird, you just need to learn how to play this game and get better stuffs, because with your current manifest you won't be able to do anything.

Everyone will get higher scores than you.

The funny thing is, you think that giving him Warp would be nerf it ..... seriously man, take your time to learn a little bit more about the game, and take your time to get a better manifest, then, come here with better arguments and we maybe will listen to you.

Just checked his manifest, which says a lot....especially since he only has one commendation weapon.

@OP : You'd fit right in with the group of people who wanted the Novaguard to be nerfed because of the kill stealing when the game first came out<_< 

[Grunt_Platform]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

TheExile1 wrote...

I can't believe people are still entertaining this guy.

they're trying to figure out how to agree with me, it takes time, but they'll eventually realise that im right in my argument.

just gotta keep convincing them.

it feels like a public service more than entertainment

One problem with that: you haven't made an argument. The case for your position is pathetic. You just keep saying "The Kroguard is overpowered!" and expect the reptition to convince us.

Everything you say makes the Kroguard overpowered is equally true of several common characters. 

the problem with the branch out of bronze/silver argument indicates that bronze and silver gamers are not worthy of balanced gameplay, which is quite elitist and, frankly, inappropriate.

Bronze and Silver are balanced such that level 20 characters will make them easy, even with weak loadouts.

ANY class specced well enough to do well on Gold or Platinum will be hilariously overpowered in a Bronze or Silver match. The Kroguard is far from the worst offender. Try a properly specced Human Soldier, and you'll be really durable and capable of a much better offensive than the krogan vanguard. Try this build out. Feel free to swap in a weapon of your choice. Or maybe try this. Or this. Human Engineer is the only common kit that doesn't keep pace with the stronger classes well. They kill the slowest of all human characters.

The key problem you're having is that Bronze has to be balanced for a level 1 human kit. Silver is a bit closer, but is still meant for lower level characters. That a level 20 kroguard played half decently can dominate is just a natural consequence of the low damage output on those difficulties.

If you wanted Human Engineer buffed, you'd get a lot fewer arguments. Human Engineer's main strength right now is the ability to create lots of tech bursts without Disruptor Ammo, by using a Rocket Drone, Overload and Incinerate..

EDIT: If you do read this post, my Origin ID is in my signature, and your manifest says you're on PC. Add me, and I'll join a Bronze or Silver lobby with you, and show you how one of the common or uncommon classes can compete with the Kroguard. I'll even stick with weapons, gear and classes available to you (can't do anything about my better level mods and gear though).

Modifié par EvanKester, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .

[DarthSliver]

OldIrish138 wrote...

I think we can all agree that the Kroguard desperately needs a nerf. My suggestion is that we replace Carnage with either Prox Mine, or Tac Cloak. That'll show those OP, kill-stealing jerks.

Naw i say replace carnage with Warp so Kroguard can denonate on his own, if Barrier isnt how you do that lol.

Just got my Kroguard last night  so im a noob Kroguard

Modifié par DarthSliver, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:15 .

[Eelectrica]

The best nerf would be to replace carnage with inferno grenades.
Then what the hell am I going to skip?

[Destructo-Bot]

From the OPs latest posts I'd say he realized how the wind is blowing and is now hiding behind trollish commentary. I believe he started out sincerely and his ego won't allow him to admit he was so wrong.

RaenImrahl wrote...

Angelwave wrote...

This thread is still lingering about?

It needs to move on to the afterlife already......................

It's on its deathbed, unless something remotely resembling a serios discussion can be resurrected.  Soon.

Yes, this thread needs locked now. The op isn't the slightest bit interested in "adult commentary" which he made nigh impossible with his very first post. He is simply trying to aggravate members of BSN right now and hiding behind a false veil of what he claims is maturity.

In other words, if he wasn't trolling before, he is now.


Also here you go OP, platinum runs; No Krogan necessary.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:38 .

[Rahg]

Just curious, when u noticed this issue, which isnt really, was there gold krogaurds with on having red and yellow and both of them are sporting pirahnas?