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[JG The Gamer]

No.

[Gavrilo]

 yea they only beat rachni and saved galaxy also have statue on Citadel...meh probably they are weaker than they look.i want to say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[silencekills]

 Hi, i'm Lord_Dweedle.

Those Kroguards are big meanies. They go and kill all the enemies before anyone else gets a chance, especially against geth.

Can we get a buff to the Geth, who are not in anyway bugged or a nuisance for the average class, or a nerf to the Kroguard? 

Modifié par silencekills, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:53 .

[Googleness]

no need to nerf the kroguard. he's too much fun.

[Lord_Dweedle]

Gavrilo wrote...

 yea they only beat rachni and saved galaxy also have statue on Citadel...meh probably they are weaker than they look.i want to say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

so now "lore" is counted when balancing out the classes?

then why on earth are we getting volus, lore clearly states they settle conflict via trades etc, not armed assaults.

also, if lore is to be counted then why are geth an enemy faction when shepard can either save them or destroy them completely?

lore is NOT a valid point in this discussion.

I have yet to be convinced why the Kroguard is not OP, the only people who have attempted to do that have been overshadowed by people shouting "noob manifest lulz baby cry moar" like immature children, who, are apparantly the Kroguards main fanbase.

Another way I think to fix the Kroguard would be, instead of focusing on their HP/Barriers, is to nerf their weapon damage with shotguns, then it will be a true "tank" themed charactor.  All these unnecessary RPG elements in a third person shooter that people keep quoting make absolutely no sense.

I still stand by my original point, the Kroguard needs to be nerfed in some way to balance out gameplay, otherwise people are going to continue to abuse this charactor until there is only Kroguards left, I have no doubt other charactors need balancing as well, but Kroguards are the main priority at the moment.

silencekills wrote...

 Hi, i'm Lord_Dweedle.

Those Kroguards are big meanies. They go and kill all the enemies before anyone else gets a chance, especially against geth.

Can we get a buff to the Geth, who are not in anyway bugged or a nuisance for the average class, or a nerf to the Kroguard? 

Hi, im silencekills

Those Geth are totally rigged and unfair and I cant kill them because I dont know how to adapt to change, please nerf the Geth so I get free easy credits.

Modifié par Lord_Dweedle, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

the shocking amount of incorrect people in this thread is amazing when it comes to the Kroguard, he may excel at being a tank but he is overpowered for a tank! that is the problem 

a nerf is necessary to bring back balance to the game and ensure all games are played on equal footing.

Can you actually prove this, or are you just going to keep repeating the same thing without evidence forever?

[Lord_Dweedle]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

the shocking amount of incorrect people in this thread is amazing when it comes to the Kroguard, he may excel at being a tank but he is overpowered for a tank! that is the problem 

a nerf is necessary to bring back balance to the game and ensure all games are played on equal footing.

Can you actually prove this, or are you just going to keep repeating the same thing without evidence forever?

No one else here has made any attempt to provide their own burdens of proof, the ones who are insulting me anyway.

Those who have made valid points are not included in that statement.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Kroguard isn't OP against reapers.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

the shocking amount of incorrect people in this thread is amazing when it comes to the Kroguard, he may excel at being a tank but he is overpowered for a tank! that is the problem 

a nerf is necessary to bring back balance to the game and ensure all games are played on equal footing.

Can you actually prove this, or are you just going to keep repeating the same thing without evidence forever?

No one else here has made any attempt to provide their own burdens of proof, the ones who are insulting me anyway.

Those who have made valid points are not included in that statement.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. That's basic debating.

You are making the claim that Kroguards are overpowered and need to be nerfed. That's the claim you made in the OP, and it's the claim you keep repeating over and over. Thus far, you've done nothing to actually prove this. The burden of proof is not on people to disprove your claims, it's on you to prove them. That's how debates work.

[Lord_Dweedle]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Kroguard isn't OP against reapers.

Yes, I know this, he is OP against Geth, which is why he needs the nerf, or Geth need to be buffed in some areas and nerfed in some others, people on here seem to love the word BUFF when it effects the players and hate the word NERF when it effects the players, yet when it is in reverse people go ape style crazy

I think there is some LARGE double standard issues on BSN.

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

the shocking amount of incorrect people in this thread is amazing when it comes to the Kroguard, he may excel at being a tank but he is overpowered for a tank! that is the problem [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]

a nerf is necessary to bring back balance to the game and ensure all games are played on equal footing.

Can you actually prove this, or are you just going to keep repeating the same thing without evidence forever? 

No one else here has made any attempt to provide their own burdens of proof, the ones who are insulting me anyway.

Those who have made valid points are not included in that statement.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. That's basic debating.

You are making the claim that Kroguards are overpowered and need to be nerfed. That's the claim you made in the OP, and it's the claim you keep repeating over and over. Thus far, you've done nothing to actually prove this. The burden of proof is not on people to disprove your claims, it's on you to prove them. That's how debates work.

That maybe how it works in your society, but where im from people have to disprove something before saying it is wrong, which has not been done here yet.

Modifié par Lord_Dweedle, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:04 .

[Bolo Xia]

silly BSN always fall for troll threads.

[silencekills]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

silencekills wrote...

 Hi, i'm Lord_Dweedle.

Those Kroguards are big meanies. They go and kill all the enemies before anyone else gets a chance, especially against geth.

Can we get a buff to the Geth, who are not in anyway bugged or a nuisance for the average class, or a nerf to the Kroguard? 

Hi, im silencekills

Those Geth are totally rigged and unfair and I cant kill them because I dont know how to adapt to change, please nerf the Geth so I get free easy credits.

Delicious.

Unfortunately I have not said I can not kill them. I have only implied that they are bugged and that buffing them would only be a nuissance. Of course, that last bit is just a guess. It's not like a previous buff to them has ever resulted in anything negative, right?

You have brought up "kill-stealing" and everyone else in a lobby not being able to  "get points" (an exageration) for reasons to nerf the Kroguard or buff the Geth.

[Lord_Dweedle]

Bolo Xia wrote...

silly BSN always fall for troll threads.

BSN may fall for them, but they also have the bad habit of saying that anything out of the ordinary must automaticially be a troll thread.

this is not a troll thread.. why cannot people grasp this??

Troll threads are threads that deliberatly go out of their way to upset people, which I am not doing in any way!

[Homey C-Dawg]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Kroguard isn't OP against reapers.

Yes, I know this, he is OP against Geth, which is why he needs the nerf, or Geth need to be buffed in some areas and nerfed in some others, people on here seem to love the word BUFF when it effects the players and hate the word NERF when it effects the players, yet when it is in reverse people go ape style crazy

I think there is some LARGE double standard issues on BSN.

If you nerf him because of geth, won't he be double nerfed against the other factions? All the suggestions in your OP would make him practicaly worthless for anything except geth.

The problem is and has always been the geth, not the characters.

[Lord_Dweedle]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Kroguard isn't OP against reapers.

Yes, I know this, he is OP against Geth, which is why he needs the nerf, or Geth need to be buffed in some areas and nerfed in some others, people on here seem to love the word BUFF when it effects the players and hate the word NERF when it effects the players, yet when it is in reverse people go ape style crazy

I think there is some LARGE double standard issues on BSN.

If you nerf him because of geth, won't he be double nerfed against the other factions? All the suggestions in your OP would make him practicaly worthless for anything except geth.

The problem is and has always been the geth, not the characters.

Then how can we solve the issue of the Geth? if that is the root cause then suggest some ways, personally I think they should get rid of the stun thing and give Primes and Pyros instant kill moves

[Ravenguild]

****ing noobie idiot

[silencekills]

Ravenguild wrote...

****ing noobie idiot

Not cool, man.

Modifié par silencekills, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:14 .

[Lord_Dweedle]

Ravenguild wrote...

****ing noobie idiot

What a lovely contribution, I bet you play as a Kroguard.

[JiceDuresh]

Kroguard is about as boring as they come for simpleton classes. Sentinels are suposed to be tanks and can't take even a 3rd of the punishment the kroguard does. That's proof enough for me that he fills his role far more proficiently than thoes who are actaully suposed to be in it. Paried against geth with a reegers and you might as well make the lobby private cause you don't actaully need a team at that point on any difficulty.

I'm with the OP on this one. Changes are needed, I've yet to see a kroguard that wasn't just a Reegers platform that never dies, while the Krogan Sentinel and Krogan Soilder only wish they could take the same amount of punishment, one of them actaully part of the tank class. But more importantly, he just needs to be something other than a moble weapons platform, last time I saw Barrier triggerd or a carnage go out, it was the one time I used a krogaurd for the hell of it, not really a good class design when 2/3rds of his abililities are never used.

[Destructo-Bot]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. That's basic debating.

You are making the claim that Kroguards are overpowered and need to be
nerfed. That's the claim you made in the OP, and it's the claim you keep repeating over and over. Thus far, you've done nothing to actually prove this. The burden of proof is not on people to disprove your claims, it's on you to prove them. That's how debates work.

That maybe how it works in your society, but where im from people have to
disprove something before saying it is wrong, which has not been done here yet.

http://en.wikipedia....Russells_teapot

I.E. Proving a negative

Russell's teapot, sometimes called the celestial teapot or cosmic teapot, is an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970) to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others...

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:22 .

[Granville8]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

give Primes and Pyros instant kill moves

Oh boy...

[Lord_Dweedle]

JiceDuresh wrote...

Kroguard is about as boring as they come for simpleton classes. Sentinels are suposed to be tanks and can't take even a 3rd of the punishment the kroguard does. That's proof enough for me that he fills his role far more proficiently than thoes who are actaully suposed to be in it. Paried against geth with a reegers and you might as well make the lobby private cause you don't actaully need a team at that point on any difficulty.

I'm with the OP on this one. Changes are needed, I've yet to see a kroguard that wasn't just a Reegers platform that never dies, while the Krogan Sentinel and Krogan Soilder only wish they could take the same amount of punishment, one of them actaully part of the tank class. But more importantly, he just needs to be something other than a moble weapons platform, last time I saw Barrier triggerd or a carnage go out, it was the one time I used a krogaurd for the hell of it, not really a good class design when 2/3rds of his abililities are never used.

finally, a sensible post lol:lol:

Destructo-Bot wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. That's basic debating.

You
are making the claim that Kroguards are overpowered and need to be 
nerfed. That's the claim you made in the OP, and it's the claim you keep
repeating over and over. Thus far, you've done nothing to actually 
prove this. The burden of proof is not on people to disprove your 
claims, it's on you to prove them. That's how debates work.

That
maybe how it works in your society, but where im from people have to 
disprove something before saying it is wrong, which has not been done 
here yet.

http://en.wikipedia....Russells_teapot

I.E. Proving a negative

Russell's teapot, sometimes called the celestial teapot or cosmic teapot, is an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970) to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others...

that is based upon religious discussion though according to the wiki, which has no place in a Kroguard viability debate.

Modifié par Lord_Dweedle, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:23 .

[Bolo Xia]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

silly BSN always fall for troll threads.

BSN may fall for them, but they also have the bad habit of saying that anything out of the ordinary must automaticially be a troll thread.

this is not a troll thread.. why cannot people grasp this??

Troll threads are threads that deliberatly go out of their way to upset people, which I am not doing in any way!

pretty much is a troll thread... you are calling for nerfs on a class that isnt even the most popular.
i have only seen maybe 1 kroguard in my platinum games and only a few more in gold, so i dont really where this claim of infestation is coming from if you arent a troll.

if this character was so OP we would at least see 2 or more in every lobby.

i believe you must have played with someone that has alot of skill and became jelous, they could have played any character and you would have posted on that character needs nerf.

anyway im not going to start some back and forth flame baiting, but you defending that you are not a troll inspired me to make this post.
also when ever you call for nerfs you cannot seriously say that you did not intend to upset people.

good day. 

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

That maybe how it works in your society, but where im from people have to disprove something before saying it is wrong, which has not been done here yet.

You are, in fact, a miniature giant space hamster who is merely masquerading as a human being. Disprove this statement.

In other words, someone assuming they're right as a premise is faulty logic. 

I'm with the OP on this one. Changes are needed,
I've yet to see a kroguard that wasn't just a Reegers platform that
never dies, while the Krogan Sentinel and Krogan Soilder only wish they
could take the same amount of punishment, one of them actaully part of
the tank class. But more importantly, he just needs to be something
other than a moble weapons platform, last time I saw Barrier triggerd or
a carnage go out, it was the one time I used a krogaurd for the hell of
it, not really a good class design when 2/3rds of his abililities are
never used.

I can't speak for other kroguard players, but I always trigger barrier at the beginning of the match. Carnage I don't use, but that's because carnage is terrible.

I also don't run with the reegar or piranha because they're too heavy for me to have acceptable cooldown.  Granted, I don't have either of them at very high levels... But I've seen plenty of kroguard packing something other than piranhas and reegars.

Also, the only kroguard change recently is the rage fixing, but that requires melee to enter rage to begin with instead of shooting all the things with a shotgun of some description.

Modifié par Cpl_Facehugger, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:33 .

[Lord_Dweedle]

Bolo Xia wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

silly BSN always fall for troll threads.

BSN may fall for them, but they also have the bad habit of saying that anything out of the ordinary must automaticially be a troll thread.

this is not a troll thread.. why cannot people grasp this??

Troll threads are threads that deliberatly go out of their way to upset people, which I am not doing in any way!

pretty much is a troll thread... you are calling for nerfs on a class that isnt even the most popular.
i have only seen maybe 1 kroguard in my platinum games and only a few more in gold, so i dont really where this claim of infestation is coming from if you arent a troll.

if this character was so OP we would at least see 2 or more in every lobby.

i believe you must have played with someone that has alot of skill and became jelous, they could have played any character and you would have posted on that character needs nerf.

anyway im not going to start some back and forth flame baiting, but you defending that you are not a troll inspired me to make this post.
also when ever you call for nerfs you cannot seriously say that you did not intend to upset people.

good day. 

and here you are, claiming Bronze and Silver game players have no right to have a say in gameplay balance changes.  Because surely Gold and Platinum game players are the high and mighty and "obey them only" is the way nerfs and buffs should be based upon

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

That maybe how it works in your society, but where im from people have to disprove something before saying it is wrong, which has not been done here yet.

You are, in fact, a miniature giant space hamster who is merely masquerading as a human being. Disprove this statement.

In other words, someone assuming they're right as a premise is faulty logic.  

Well, I dont feel the need to disprove that.

and I am not assuming im right, there is a difference between knowing and assuming.

Modifié par Lord_Dweedle, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:31 .