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[GhostShadow115]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

MacGarrus wrote...

OP, what the hell you on? A Kroguard is no more overpowered than any other Vanguard. That means he's not overpowered, he's one of the few really well made characters. He has little in the way of extreme offense outside of weapons, his niche is being undroppable to everything except sync kills to which he is extremely suceptable to due to his focus on close quarters combat and his extremely low mobility. The Kroguard doesn't have the same long range death dealing that the Sentinel and Soldier both have in their grenades. What it has instead is complete close quarters domination. Take away his durability and ability to stay in the fight and you completely destroy the character.

geth do not have sync kills! that is another problem!

Seriously until the GETH, who are quite unbalanced now duo to the ungodly amount of stunlock they have, get a balance I see no problem in them not having a sync kill on top of that. That's why the Kroguard is EFFECTIVE against the geth, he isn't easily stun locked and can take more then 3-4 hits before he bites the dust. (although that bloody geth drone does stun him -.-) Strip that away from him and then the class will be broken.

[MacGarrus]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Psycho Pisces wrote...

Kaileena, I just looked at his manifest.. an I admit.. I man-giggled. He's been a member since April, but hasn't apparently played the game that frequently. He has a long road to go, before he has room to talk about "Nerfing characters" or talking abount sync kills.

frequency means nothing.. not everyone solely plays this game in their spare time, its like saying "you dont have a right to vote in the elections because you dont wave the flag frequently enough" its an argument that has no relevence.

It has relevance in this context. You've not played the game long enough to max your manifest (or even have all the weapons and classes) which means you have an incomplete view of what's overpowered and what isn't due to lack of personal experience and as such your opinion isn't very trustworthy.

[Zardoc]

[Nitrocuban]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

geth do not have sync kills! that is another problem!

500 gold pressed Latinum that the new Geth Bomber is a nasty sync kill unit.

[Lord_Dweedle]

MacGarrus wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Psycho Pisces wrote...

Kaileena, I just looked at his manifest.. an I admit.. I man-giggled. He's been a member since April, but hasn't apparently played the game that frequently. He has a long road to go, before he has room to talk about "Nerfing characters" or talking abount sync kills.

frequency means nothing.. not everyone solely plays this game in their spare time, its like saying "you dont have a right to vote in the elections because you dont wave the flag frequently enough" its an argument that has no relevence.

It has relevance in this context. You've not played the game long enough to max your manifest (or even have all the weapons and classes) which means you have an incomplete view of what's overpowered and what isn't due to lack of personal experience and as such your opinion isn't very trustworthy.

neither is half of the others in this thread who have had to resort to petty insults to get their point across. 

[gilgamesh v9]

xcaliz0rz wrote...

He must have saw the Hero of Tuchanka in action and realized just how useless he is in comparison. Sorry!

hahah, bruce. you called it didn't you 

[Eckswhyzed]

Nice manifest ad hominem arguments everybody.

I'm not sure where I stand on this one. Kroguard isn't so weak he couldn't take small nerf, but I'm not sure that it's necessary. I'm not seeing an overwhelming number of Kroguards in the lobbies I play.

Oh, as for the lack of offense thing, the Raider, Reegar, and Piranha would like a word with you. Because the Kroguard can engage in CQC with impunity, the accuracy issues brcome non-existent. Then you have 3 of the highest DPS machines in the game...

Modifié par Eckswhyzed, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:00 .

[Leland Gaunt]

OMFG

NOOOOOOOOO!
Now that he's finally working as intended, why would you have him nerfed? Oooh right, they "steal" precious kills from your scoreboard...

Gotta love BSN.

[Tonymac]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

 Their biotic charge should only restore 50% or 75% of their barrier, not the whole thing, it is utterly insane the amount of punishment they can take.

Secondly, make it so the Geth have some insta-kill moves, a Kroguard in a Geth game is a giant show off who goes around kill stealing and generally making the game unenjoyable for everyone else.  Kill moves on Geth Primes is possibly all that is needed, or give some Geth units the ability to drain shields and barriers for themselves.

Thirdly, make it so their melee is stronger against HP and Shields but decrease its effectiveness against Armor and Barriers, this will balance out their melee capabilities.

Fourthly, Get rid of Carnage and give them Warp, Shockwave or another useful biotic power, to make them have some ranged effectiveness.

The class is overpowered, anyone who thinks otherwise either exclusivly plays as Kroguards or leeches off Kroguards.

Its getting rediculous how this has not been addressed.

Why are you hating?  Freaking nerf-herders are the one that should be nerfed.  Try playing the class, and have fun instead of crying rivers of tears and snot and boo-hoo juice.  All because a Krogard beat your score?  *sniffle*

I am sure Eric will be along to nerf all the things and make you happy anyhow.  Its what they do.

[Lord_Dweedle]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Nice manifest ad hominem arguments everybody.

I'm not sure where I stand on this one. Kroguatd isn't so weak he couldn't take small nerf, but I'm not sure that it's necessary. I'm not seeing an overwhelming number of Kroguards in the lobbies I play....

Oh, as for the lack of offense thing, the Raider, Reegar, and Piranha would like a word with you. Because the Kroguard can engage in CQC with impunity, the accuracy issues brcome non-existent. Then you have 3 of the highest DPS machines in the game.......

exactly, but these people have said that any logical weapon debate is not allowed because it would make their viewpoints obsolete.

[MajorBlazkowicz]

I remember when Novaguards were the best Vanguard class before DLC came out, sure they have less health and shields, but have you ever seen even a half-decent Novaguard player? They would destory groups of enemies before you could kill them! People complained about Novaguards being cheap, this is no different, Vanguards are not my favorite class, but will use one from time to time.

I played Cerburus Gold on Condor last night with a Kroguard, and even though it's damage sponge, it's not invincible and I did get down a few times. I didn't top score, but did really good.

The only thing I agree on is they should'nt play Geth exlusively, and I hate the Geth! I'm an Unk/Unk player that will brave the elements! Reapers and Kroguard: Challenge Accepted!

[MacGarrus]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Nice manifest ad hominem arguments everybody.

I'm not sure where I stand on this one. Kroguatd isn't so weak he couldn't take small nerf, but I'm not sure that it's necessary. I'm not seeing an overwhelming number of Kroguards in the lobbies I play....

Oh, as for the lack of offense thing, the Raider, Reegar, and Piranha would like a word with you. Because the Kroguard can engage in CQC with impunity, the accuracy issues brcome non-existent. Then you have 3 of the highest DPS machines in the game.......

With no real long range effectiveness to back them up. Reapers become a chore without abusing the Banshees Hate Stairs method, the Kroguard has 2 good matchups and one horrible one, seems pretty balanced to me to be frank when you compare it to the number of classes which are great on all three.

[Descy_]

targaryen8 wrote...

[ClockworkSpectre]

OP is a troll or biased to the point of being a unintended troll. Kroguard excels at one thing, and that is its trade off for the durability it has. His statements of "Kroguard user opinions do not count unless they have something meaningful to contribute." is all I had to read to discredit anything he has to say. Besides while some of the classes in this game are far to fragile in my opinion, that doesn't make a Kroguard OP. This is just more "nerf this because I don't like it" nonsense. If some one is in a game with me and they are playing kroguard, just use them as a meat bag decoy and slaughter stuff while they divert attention. This class may be strong but it has pretty good party synergy.

[Lord_Dweedle]

MajorBlazkowicz wrote...

I remember when Novaguards were the best Vanguard class before DLC came out, sure they have less health and shields, but have you ever seen even a half-decent Novaguard player? They would destory groups of enemies before you could kill them! People complained about Novaguards being cheap, this is no different, Vanguards are not my favorite class, but will use one from time to time.

I played Cerburus Gold on Condor last night with a Kroguard, and even though it's damage sponge, it's not invincible and I did get down a few times. I didn't top score, but did really good.

The only thing I agree on is they should'nt play Geth exlusively, and I hate the Geth! I'm an Unk/Unk player that will brave the elements! Reapers and Kroguard: Challenge Accepted!

I used to be unk/unk also, i love playing unk/unk, but, as you can see in this thread, people are assuming people only play 1 or 2 specific maps.

now I play Unk/Reaper simply to avoid dealing with foul mouthed kroguards.

[Installation17]

Wait, I've heard of people wanting weapon nerfs. But class nerfs are a new one.
Did I miss something here?
The only reason I can think of that you would want something nerfed is that you either don't have it yet and are bitter, or you do have it and can't use it very well.
If you want a challenge, then spec charge for chance of no cooldown. Don't make everyone else pay for your death wish.
I could do this all day. Can you?

Modifié par Installation17, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:07 .

[Ramsutin]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

MacGarrus wrote...

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Psycho Pisces wrote...

Kaileena, I just looked at his manifest.. an I admit.. I man-giggled. He's been a member since April, but hasn't apparently played the game that frequently. He has a long road to go, before he has room to talk about "Nerfing characters" or talking abount sync kills.

frequency means nothing.. not everyone solely plays this game in their spare time, its like saying "you dont have a right to vote in the elections because you dont wave the flag frequently enough" its an argument that has no relevence.

It has relevance in this context. You've not played the game long enough to max your manifest (or even have all the weapons and classes) which means you have an incomplete view of what's overpowered and what isn't due to lack of personal experience and as such your opinion isn't very trustworthy.

neither is half of the others in this thread who have had to resort to petty insults to get their point across. 

But you haven't even unlocked Claymore, Acolyte, Raider nor GPS. Neither have you unlocked Destroyer or Demolisher. So you don't really have a clue what really is OP and what is not.

[Zero132132]

They have no great way to deal large amounts of damage quickly. They're good against the Geth, but against anything else, there's a big risk of getting stabbed or grabbed, so they have to be played very carefully.

I have a firm suspicion that people that think like the OP are White/Geth campers who get mad at people like me, who take a Kroguard for the lulz, since hiding behind a counter is boring as ****.

[LeandroBraz]

Normally, I would consider the nerf, since rage probably made he OP and out of balance, but you used the term "Kill stealing", which clearly show that you have no idea what the balance changes and the game is about.


so no, Kroguards shouldn't get a nerf just because they are "kill stealing".

[Crimson Vanguard]

Try Human Engineer with Shuriken + Disruptor ammo and go with a Kroguard, he will be your personal detonator, tech burst everywhere. Oh w8, you are not good enough to use a HE + Shuriken

Modifié par Crimson Vanguard, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:04 .

[demondioma]

I feel like playing Geth Silver with this guy just to see him play. Not Gold - hate the stunlocks way too much.

[Nitrocuban]

tbh I don´t like this "nerf Kroguard BS" but otherwise I´m glad that this is one thread on the first page NOT whining about Volus.
So, keep goin, guys.

[GhostShadow115]

Zardoc wrote...

Your Signature... where is it from... who said it... I would like to know...

[kitty209]

i say no.

befor you open your mouth im not a vanguard player other than rarely slayer.

[Zero132132]

Wait, OP doesn't even HAVE a Kroguard?