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[vurtual3]

op if you're getting outscored by kroguards against cerberus and reapers the problem isn't with them being overpowered.....

[DamiosD]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

DamiosD wrote...

I agree with the rest... NO and there is no such thing as kill stealing, I don't know why people whine about this. The main target of the massacre is to kill as many as possible to increase the exp, other then that it has no affect, not to the leaderboards, not to your wallet. Don't get me wrong i can understand if your busy trying to kill an enemy for some time and someone takes the kill, that it can work frustrating, but hey you know the solution..kill faster.

its not that, its the fact that kroguards dont give anyone a chance to kill anything, especially in the first 5 waves when there is no insta-kills that are threatening.

That is not the problem of the kroguards, but of the ones playing them. Every class/race has its pro's and con's. its how you play them, that makes them strong. Kroguards and batarians, are melee classes and tanks, they rely on there brute force. but they are slow and have long power cooldowns. So an Infiltrator, could easely take the killshot, before they reach there target, same with adepts and engineers., hell any class can do it.

The problem i see when playing with PUGs is that most people just like to take there time killing the enemy with the perfect shot or play with there food so to speak, me and proberly alott of other people, just kill them. It does not make them less then me, they are contributing to the kills, so it does not matter. Do you know how many times my ass got saved because one guy or girl took that one killshot...alott.
However since we are all entitled to our own opinions, all i'll say is instead off asking for nerfs, choose a class, learn all its strengths and weaknesses, learn to shoot fast, pay attention to the spawnpoints and before you know it you'll be killing like the rest of us. Or just play a few gold and platinum games, trust me you won't be to worried  then when someone kills the enemy  before you do. But hey that's just one man's opinion.

[ParkBom]

targaryen8 wrote...

[jpraelster93]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

NO, really. I don't believe you used the term "kill stealing".

why not? 

ah this topic certainly brought the worst out in BSN... but I still stand by my reasons and no petty insults will change them.

Gonna let this thread die a natural death now, hopefully.

How can you kill steal in a coop game as long as extraction is made who gets the kills doesnt matter

[Lord_Dweedle]

vurtual3 wrote...

op if you're getting outscored by kroguards against cerberus and reapers the problem isn't with them being overpowered.....

not reapers or cerbs, only geth, which is not ok in my book

[ZoM_Head]

How can you complain about vangaurds in general, when their basic biotic charge is bugged out?

It does not always lock and charge on targets, even in clear sight.

[McAllyster]

1st:

Geth faction is overpowered enough. They have:
- pyros which can't be grabbed anymore
- stagger player characters all the time
- has units with tactical cloak - even if I see them, I can't target them with power abilities.

Add instakill to the geth and you rid everyone elses games - not just kroguards.

BTW this new patch didn't solved the farming problem: Bioware made geth insanly stronger which affects everyone - except the FBWGG farmers.

2nd:

Without 100% barrier recharge kroguards are useless in Gold games. Charging into the group of enemies and starting close combat against them... this is a huge risk. Without barrier recharging and resistance krogan battlemasters are glorious dead battlemasters.

3rd:
If Bioware nerf kroguard they should nerf N7 Shadow also. At this stage if a kroguard and a Shadow are both in the same game - well, this is a fun meleeing competition between them. Melee attacks has great risks - in exchange they have great rewards. Yes, you can charge + heavy melee a phantom - but if it is the slightest flaw in execution you risk instakill. Plus tons of times a kroguard risks for nothing: starts a biotic charge but a salarian infiltrator headshots the target by the time. "Nerf headshot because I can't charge in time!"?

4th:
"Thirdly, make it so their melee is stronger against HP and Shields but decrease its effectiveness against Armor and Barriers, this will balance out their melee capabilities."

This is a ridicoulus idea. No other melee ability works out differently against HP / Shield / Barrier / Armour (except for power evolutions like Sword Mastery lvl6).

"The class is overpowered, anyone who thinks otherwise either exclusivly plays as Kroguards or leeches off Kroguards."

Usually I play Kroguard, N7 Shadow, Asari Adept, Human Sentinel, sometimes N7 Destroyer. All of them has pros and cons.

[AngryBobH]

no

I'd like to say bad words at the OP but I'm not like that.

[Lord Rosario]

Wanting to nerf the Kroguard AND wants a Geth instakill? If the OP is not a troll, then they simply need to have their fail gland removed.. It is producing far too much fail to be healthy.

[Jamofend]

I'm ashamed of myself..... I thought this wasn't a troll until page 3 i'm ashamed of myself...... Also op if you are for real: Nooooooooooooooooo!!!

[demondioma]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

vurtual3 wrote...

op if you're getting outscored by kroguards against cerberus and reapers the problem isn't with them being overpowered.....

not reapers or cerbs, only geth, which is not ok in my book

Then let's play against Reapers together.

Modifié par demondioma, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:24 .

[riotlord]

do not feed the troll.

[Leland Gaunt]

McAllyster wrote...
2nd:
Without 100% barrier recharge kroguards are useless in Gold games. Charging into the group of enemies and starting close combat against them... this is a huge risk. Without barrier recharging and resistance krogan battlemasters are glorious dead battlemasters.

Can't agree with this, he's probably the Vanguard on which the Bonus Power makes the most sense because even if you only recharge half your shields they are still higher than on most classes in this game. Having the chance to charge 4 or 5 times in a row is invaluable to him in my opinion. I would'nt want to miss that.
Charge into a group, then immediately charge again, let your barrier explode, melee again... awesomeness in a can!

[Epique Phael767]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

vurtual3 wrote...

op if you're getting outscored by kroguards against cerberus and reapers the problem isn't with them being overpowered.....

not reapers or cerbs, only geth, which is not ok in my book

Butturt much?

[Lord_Dweedle]

riotlord wrote...

do not feed the troll.

im not trolling, but im now leaving because I feel like playing a game.. my download is done so I can now leave this discussion.

[wraith27]

So to make sure people have MORE FUN, we should add insta-kills to Geth? What?

[demondioma]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

riotlord wrote...

do not feed the troll.

im not trolling, but im now leaving because I feel like playing a game.. my download is done so I can now leave this discussion.

Why you run from me?

[vurtual3]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

vurtual3 wrote...

op if you're getting outscored by kroguards against cerberus and reapers the problem isn't with them being overpowered.....

not reapers or cerbs, only geth, which is not ok in my book

ok,yeah he is pretty amazing against geth on gold,seems a bit harder since the patch. to be honest though I think having a good kroguard on the team against the geth just makes it more likely to get to the end of the game which benefits everyone,they can be pretty nightmarish....

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

Secondly, make it so the Geth have some insta-kill moves

Every Geth unit has an insta-kill, which activates every time they look at a player.

[Zero132132]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

vurtual3 wrote...

op if you're getting outscored by kroguards against cerberus and reapers the problem isn't with them being overpowered.....

not reapers or cerbs, only geth, which is not ok in my book

The Kroguard has no way to deal a lot of damage quickly. They can use weapons, but they can't use them as well as weapon-based classes, and their low cooldown weight capacity means that they'll have low survivability of they bring heavier weapons.

So you DO have a Kroguard now.. can YOU outscore everyone against Geth? If not, then it's a player issue, not a class issue. No offense.

Modifié par Zero132132, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:31 .

[kaileena_sands]

Yeah, do not feed the troll, the thread has been going long enough... there's nothing else to say, the Kroguard is not OP (except for bronze? xD). Nothing to see here...

And btw, OP, remember that this is a co-op game. Today I had a glorious Novaguard in my game that just detonated everything I reaved with my Justicar. He was killing everything and got insane score at the end. But that was okay, because it was really fun playing with him, he was a good team player going for revives of teammates, etc, etc. Score doesn't matter, getting the final hit on a boss doesn't even matter. Fun matters.

If you've lost so fast your ability to enjoy the game considering you haven't played it that much... sadness.

Modifié par kaileena_sands, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:29 .

[Lord Rosario]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

vurtual3 wrote...

op if you're getting outscored by kroguards against cerberus and reapers the problem isn't with them being overpowered.....

not reapers or cerbs, only geth, which is not ok in my book

It's not ok for you to be outscored against geth so you want geth to be tougher and your partners to be weaker...?

Oh stop it you!

[polymphus]

Lord_Dweedle wrote...

riotlord wrote...

do not feed the troll.

im not trolling, but im now leaving because I feel like playing a game.. my download is done so I can now leave this discussion.

"Baaaaw. You meanies, I'll take my toys and go!"

Seriously dude, you're wrong. Absolutely everyone agrees, you're wrong. The kroguard excels at his one role: tanking. He's a mediocre damage dealer who's really, really good at not getting killed. His job is to not get killed and pull fire while the rest of the team does the shooting. If he's "stealing your kills" (which, btw doesn't matter in a co-op game unless you're another krogan or a vorcha) then you're doing something wrong. 

[Leland Gaunt]

vurtual3 wrote...
ok,yeah he is pretty amazing against geth on gold,seems a bit harder since the patch. to be honest though I think having a good kroguard on the team against the geth just makes it more likely to get to the end of the game which benefits everyone,they can be pretty nightmarish....

A good Kroguard will make every match against every enemy much easier for the whole team. Can't wait to pit my Scorpion-wielding Battlemaster against Collector forces!!

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Evelien]

riotlord wrote...

do not feed the troll.

I think people are feeding him so much because the other threads are mostly volus related