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[IllusiveManJr]

I really hate having Batarians in ME3 MP because I just hate Batarians in general. I won't go into why, but I know that it upsets some people. I've met some people who really hate Quarians and refuse to play with them. I've played with a few people who refused to revive me because I was playing an Asari.

My question is, where do you draw the line as far as disliking a race in ME3 MP? (If you dislike a race at all)

I would say I'm not happy when I have a Batarian on the team, but I'm not going to grief the player or anything over it. It's just a game after all. My mentality is that this is a fictional universe with fictional characters. I'm not going to refuse to play with someone because they choose to play a Krogan or threaten someone in real life over not liking my favorite character race.


Note: I didn't know whether racism was the word to use, but I figured people would get my point. Maybe specieism (Butchered that spelling) is the right one.

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

I only play with Geth squad mates if they are people I know. Otherwise, I just leave the lobby. The Geth are nothing but liars. Too many loopholes in logic. I'm proud to say that I do not support those who allied with the Reapers. For any reason.

[Oni Dark Clown]

why not Kitcism? or Buildcism?
but on to what you asked. You can't Fix Stupid. there is no magic Pill or Surgery. Stupid is forever.

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gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

I only play with Geth squad mates if they are people I know. Otherwise, I just leave the lobby. The Geth are nothing but liars. Too many loopholes in logic. I'm proud to say that I do not support those who allied with the Reapers. For any reason.

by that logic you wouldn't play with humans seeing as TIM/Cerberus is all buddy buddy with the Reapers as well right?

as for me, I am getting out of here before the fire spreads.

Modifié par Oni Dark Clown, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:04 .

[TMB903]

....It's just a game? Each species is cool in it's own way and Bioware has done a tremendous job designing them.

[The Aesthetic Ghant]

It's not that deep.

For me that is.

When I zone into the match there's only one thing on my mind.



















































Credits.

[challenger18]

I had no idea this was a thing.

Just goes to show how immature people really are.

[Broganisity]

I do not care for the Batarians.

I despise the Salarians.

For the most part I care little for the Asari.

But that's simply a matter of the majority. I liked Mordin, and I like "Surfing" as the Batarian Sentinel (who I rarely play for any other Reason than to goof off...I'll probably use the Shaman adept in his place once its released.).

Regardless of what I think of the any race I won't begrudge someone for playing as them as they are (in the end) human controlled, on my team, and I feel obligated to keep my team alive. Thinking otherwise is blatant hate against someone who doesn't deserve it in any way: By clicking the Vote Kick button you aren't hating the Batarian, you're hating the person playing the Batarian.

And there's nothing redeeming about that.

[Guglio08]

Being racist in a fictional universe just means you are likely to be racist in real life. There is no divide. Claiming it's okay because the characters are not real is a flimsy argument and has no merit.

In the game, the soldiers can't be racist, because they need all the help they can get. Shepard convinces a Batarian against killing humans out of vengeance. 

We can be better than this. 

Modifié par Guglio08, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:10 .

[ZiRK]

What you hate in a video game doesnt affect me.

[Melee or Die]

I've never thought of nor experienced, this: fictional-racism. I let people die all the time; If they're doing something illogical or just I plain decide to dislike 'em. But never have I looked at someone's character and got upset over it. I insulted them by it, for it, but never for it. This is a bit of a shock to me.

[The Aesthetic Ghant]

Guglio08 wrote...

Being racist in a fictional universe just means you are likely to be racist in real life. There is no divide. Claiming it's okay because the characters are not real is a flimsy argument and has no merit.

In the game, the soldiers can't be racist, because they need all the help they can get. Shepard convinces a Batarian against killing humans out of vengeance. 

We can be better than this. 

Interesting hypothesis. A lot of people are racist and don't know it. Dat implicit racism. 

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Oni Dark Clown wrote...
why not Kitcism? or Buildcism?but on to what you asked. You can't Fix Stupid. there is no magic Pill or Surgery. Stupid is forever.
and

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...
I only play with Geth squad mates if they are people I know. Otherwise, I just leave the lobby. The Geth are nothing but liars. Too many loopholes in logic. I'm proud to say that I do not support those who allied with the Reapers. For any reason.

by that logic you wouldn't play with humans seeing as TIM/Cerberus is all buddy buddy with the Reapers as well right?
as for me, I am getting out of here before the fire spreads.

Oh, silly you. I specifically said, "those who allied with the Reapers."The Geth have a hive mind mentality that causes them ALL to ally with the Reapers. Their entire collective allied with the Reapers. The Illusive Man and his cronies didn't force ALL of humanity to ally with the Reapers just by TIM letting them take over his brain, did it? Did Saren's agreement to work for the Reapers cause every Turian to believe the Reapers were their salvation?
No. So if you made sense, I wouldn't be so facetious toward you.

[Rifneno]

I hate batarians. The ones we play especially, because those bastards are hegemony enforcers and slavers. Were the Reapers not invading, I'd go Aratoht on their asses. ... But they are. So my characters may despise those ugly monsters, but they'll cooperate against the far greater evil. I'll do everything in my power to make sure that four-eyed filth survives. He doesn't get to die. Because I want to kill him myself when the Reapers are dead.

If they add volus, I'll simply leave lobbies when I see a volus. They're an immersion breaker for me. I can't take the game seriously with them doing strike ops next to a krogan battlemaster. While it's certainly possible to take the game too seriously, I find it much more fun to RP at least in as far as putting myself in my character's shoes.

[RavenousBear]

I do not do any of that crap with randoms. That is just ricidulous!

I often make fun of my friends' characters and tease them. I do it too often and they think I hate Humans, Geth, and Salarians even though I play these races occasionally. 

[IllusiveManJr]

The Aesthetic Ghant wrote...

Guglio08 wrote...

Being racist in a fictional universe just means you are likely to be racist in real life. There is no divide. Claiming it's okay because the characters are not real is a flimsy argument and has no merit.

In the game, the soldiers can't be racist, because they need all the help they can get. Shepard convinces a Batarian against killing humans out of vengeance. 

We can be better than this. 

Interesting hypothesis. A lot of people are racist and don't know it. Dat implicit racism. 

I dont' think I'm racist IRL. I just don't like Batarians because the only ones we've met are terrorists, slavers, or mercs. Bad impressions all around.

[Lokiwithrope]

Well, if people actually care that much about playing with certain characters, that means Bioware did its job. They created significant characters people care about.

[Agueybana]

You hate batarians, probably because they're made to be hatred throughout the series. I don't hate anything myself. I don't like one trick ponies myself. I won't point fingers, but some of the N7 kits can be some offenders. But even then, I'm not unkind and play and let play so long as they pull their weight.

It's probably due to my own bias. I like jumping into and out of PUGs and changing charcters some all night. Even with friends we'll swap kits, or respec between matches. I like to, and like that I can, play with any of the six classes. I don't get bothered unless someone plays something that goes completely against the rest of the party and hurts it, but that can only be measured in-game. So that's really hating the player not the kit.

[The Aesthetic Ghant]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

The Aesthetic Ghant wrote...

Guglio08 wrote...

Being racist in a fictional universe just means you are likely to be racist in real life. There is no divide. Claiming it's okay because the characters are not real is a flimsy argument and has no merit.

In the game, the soldiers can't be racist, because they need all the help they can get. Shepard convinces a Batarian against killing humans out of vengeance. 

We can be better than this. 

Interesting hypothesis. A lot of people are racist and don't know it. Dat implicit racism. 

I dont' think I'm racist IRL. I just don't like Batarians because the only ones we've met are terrorists, slavers, or mercs. Bad impressions all around.

True enough. I'd argue that the Batarians that we use in multiplayer are an exception to an extent. There's also the Batarian you meet in ME 3 when working for Aria. Didn't seem like such a bad guy. 

I understand why you don't like them though. Bioware seemed to go out of the way to reinforce the negative aspects of their personalities.

Modifié par The Aesthetic Ghant, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:22 .

[Rifneno]

Guglio08 wrote...

Being racist in a fictional universe just means you are likely to be racist in real life. There is no divide. Claiming it's okay because the characters are not real is a flimsy argument and has no merit.

In the game, the soldiers can't be racist, because they need all the help they can get. Shepard convinces a Batarian against killing humans out of vengeance. 

We can be better than this. 

Deep fail.
Pyschological studies always show that everyone is racist.  Yes, you, person going "not me!"  Even babies have been shown to favor strangers of their own race over different ones.  There is no question whether someone is subconsciously racist.  They are.  We all are.  The difference is in conscious behavior and whether we embrace or shun base nature.

[Broganisity]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Oh, silly you. I specifically said, "those who allied with the Reapers."The Geth have a hive mind mentality that causes them ALL to ally with the Reapers. Their entire collective allied with the Reapers. The Illusive Man and his cronies didn't force ALL of humanity to ally with the Reapers just by TIM letting them take over his brain, did it? Did Saren's agreement to work for the Reapers cause every Turian to believe the Reapers were their salvation?
No. So if you made sense, I wouldn't be so facetious toward you.

While this is diverting majorly from the MP aspect of this discussion and I apologize TiM:

I can't blame the Geth for the decision. The Quarian attack 'killed off' many programs, limiting their thinking capacities and causing them to prioritize self-preservation. The Reapers gave them the means to save themselves, even if it meant destroying the Quarians and becoming 'tools' of the Reapers. I'd be tempted to take the offer myself If I could see no other way to save Humanity from a sudden Batarian invasion or something.

 Mass Effect 2 showed us that even amongst the Geth there were sub-factions and differing opinions: The Heretics and the Geth. I found myself sympathizing with the Quarians up until I learned more of the Geth (which we had little of in ME1) and was downright disqusted by what they did to the Geth, and those who tried to protect them. It was the Quarians fault that the Geth rebelled, the Quarian's fault that they were forced from Rannoch, and it was their fault that the entirety of the Geth were forced to turn again to the Reapers.

But back to the Multiplayer aspect of things: I would not prioritize a Geth bleeding out or a Quarian bleeding out based soley on the character, but rather factors such as distance or the skill of the player.

Would you save the geth over the Quarian even though the Geth player was highly skilled and right next to you and the Quarian were far away and more of a burden than an asset to the team?

Modifié par Broganisity, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:25 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Yeah... I don't personify video game characters. If I'm joking I might make a Genophage joke when reviving a Salarian as a Krogan.. but I don't understand how this is a thing.

[ZiRK]

Modifié par Mr SeVerS, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:27 .

[IllusiveManJr]

I don't think you're going off topic Broganisity. People who dislike a race in MP probably do so because of stuff like you were saying. They've put a lot of thought into this because they love the game.

Edit: Fixed spelling.

Modifié par theillusiveman11, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:26 .