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[The Renegade Fem-Shep]

Nitrocuban wrote...

You BSN people are all racist!

We prefer 'old fashioned'

[challenger18]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Lol@All the people freaking out over the idea of people disliking a species and drawing all sorts of non sequitors there from.

Lokiwithrope

Well, if people actually care that much about playing with certain characters, that means Bioware did its job. They created significant characters people care about.

This times a million. Bioware designed characters to illicit emotional reactions, good or bad. It's quality character development. If you want bland, characterless John Doe/Mary Sues, go read Twilight.

I have to disagree. I doubt BioWare set out to make their characters so great that people would refuse to cooperate in a co-op mode. No, I think since this is about co-op multiplayer where there is no character development or story to speak of, if a person is refusing to revive another player because of what alien they choose to play as then that speaks volumes on how immature they are, not on how great the characters are. 

Modifié par challenger18, 07 octobre 2012 - 08:28 .

[AustereLemur799]

Oni Dark Clown wrote...

why not Kitcism? or Buildcism?
but on to what you asked. You can't Fix Stupid. there is no magic Pill or Surgery. Stupid is forever.

+ 1

What would I be called for my general dislike of the human characters?  It's true; they annoy the hell out of me - the human grunts/shouts/stupid voices etc. I will still revive people obviously - otherwise I'd just be vindictive and spiteful, which is really uncalled for in a co-op game.

Seriously, this topic surprised me a little. ME is about aliens; what are you doing here if you hate them?

And about the batarian thing. Shepard may hate batarians, but they've done nothing to me. Every class of every species is welcome in my games - I have a non-discrimination policy toward everyone (though I always frown when I see the original human characters because they sound the stupidest! ).

[Distilled Poison]

@Morugatu

I feel pretty much the same about most Quarians. When it came time for me to choose Quarians or Geth in single player, I decided pretty easily to save the Geth. The Quarians brought it on themselves.

Then Tali jumped and I struggled to find the power switch on my PS3 through a haze of tears. When I reloaded the save, I learned That my priorities are Tali > The entire Geth race > Quarians.

[DeathIsHere]

Rifneno wrote...

Guglio08 wrote...

Being racist in a fictional universe just means you are likely to be racist in real life. There is no divide. Claiming it's okay because the characters are not real is a flimsy argument and has no merit.

In the game, the soldiers can't be racist, because they need all the help they can get. Shepard convinces a Batarian against killing humans out of vengeance. 

We can be better than this. 

Deep fail.
Pyschological studies always show that everyone is racist.  Yes, you, person going "not me!"  Even babies have been shown to favor strangers of their own race over different ones.  There is no question whether someone is subconsciously racist.  They are.  We all are.  The difference is in conscious behavior and whether we embrace or shun base nature.

There's a huge difference between trusting a stranger of the same race more and saying you hate somebody because they're a certain race. Arguing semantics and saying "Oh we're all racist" doesn't escape the fact that you're saying you hate every single individual of an entire race because of an assumption. Doing a bit of research reveals that regular citizens of Batarian worlds aren't allowed to leave. So the slavers, pirates, etc are out there but the average Batarian is likely nothing like that. But you assume they are and want to kill them. That's racist, period. Dance around it, say we're all racist in some way, but that's the bad kind of racism. To see it bleed into video games is just terrible.

[The Renegade Fem-Shep]

challenger18 wrote...
I have to disagree. I doubt BioWare set out to make their characters so great that people would refuse to cooperate in a co-op mode. No, I think since this is aboout co-op multiplayer where there is no character development or story to speak of, if a person is refusing to revive another player because of what alien they choose to play as then that speaks volumes on how immature they are, not on how great the characters are. 

Ditto. If they're an asset I revive them. If it'll cause more collateral damage to get to them or they have proven many times over they are of no value to the team, then and ONLY THEN have I and many others I play with passed up revives. In the end I know there's a human on the other end and I could care less what species he plays, what color his skin is, what language he speaks, what god(s) he does/doesn't pray to, etc.

Distilled Poison wrote...

@Morugatu

I feel pretty
much the same about most Quarians. When it came time for me to choose
Quarians or Geth in single player, I decided pretty easily to save the
Geth. The Quarians brought it on themselves.

Then Tali jumped and
I struggled to find the power switch on my PS3 through a haze of tears.
When I reloaded the save, I learned That my priorities are Tali >
The entire Geth race > Quarians.

I honestly didn't feel one way or the other for her. I lost her influence in ME2 and SOMEHOW she lived dispite my whole team aside from her (most likely to die) also surviving and having influence. She just displayed such classic Quarian blindness in common sense, especially with geth, that I couldn't take her seriously.

Legion was an asset as were the Geth. Also provided me with far more interesting philosophical moments.

Modifié par Morugatu, 07 octobre 2012 - 08:36 .

[Distilled Poison]

@challenger18

I never said anything about justifying poor sportsmanship in game. My condoning of Mass Effect speciesism ends at bothering other people in game.

[hostaman]

I never play as a Batarian or Vorcha for that matter as I just don't like the play style, but I have no problem playing on a team with any races.

One of the best aspects of the SP game is the way that characters can be good or bad from all different races. I think this carries over well into MP, and is one of the things which sets ME apart from other games where the good v evil dynamic is more black and white.

[The Renegade Fem-Shep]

hostaman wrote...

I never play as a Batarian or Vorcha for that matter as I just don't like the play style, but I have no problem playing on a team with any races.

One of the best aspects of the SP game is the way that characters can be good or bad from all different races. I think this carries over well into MP, and is one of the things which sets ME apart from other games where the good v evil dynamic is more black and white.

I personally felt all the races were a little bit too er, 'human'. Even the rachni and geth displayed humanoid characteristics that kind of ruined the whole 'alien' factor for me. ME2 and ME3 were the worst offenders of this IMO. Although in bioware's defense, aside from some seriously 'hard' sci-fi novels, very little sci-fi ever accomplishes this for me. <_<

Modifié par Morugatu, 07 octobre 2012 - 08:39 .

[challenger18]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@challenger18

I never said anything about justifying poor sportsmanship in game. My condoning of Mass Effect speciesism ends at bothering other people in game.

I never said you did. What I am challenging is the notion that this issue stems from great characters rather than how immature the offending player is. Having great characters is nice and all, but this is about MP, where there is no story to speak of. I have seen plenty of cases of people who don't like other people and will do passive aggressive stuff like that "just because." That didn't tell me anything about the victim or how developed their character was, just that the person acting like a DB is immature. 

[The Renegade Fem-Shep]

Dr. Perry Cox wrote...
Lady. People aren't chocolates. Do you know what they are mostly?
Bastards. Bastard coated bastards with bastard filling. But I don't find
them half as annoying as I find naive bubble-headed optimists who walk
around vomiting sunshine.

[78stonewobble]

Well offcourse I'm racist... Or lets call it predjudiced... Be it ingame or in the real world. My view of whole groups of people are coloured (no pun intended) by the actions of few (positively or negatively). Whenever someone does something stupid enough to make the news it colours my picture of his/her grouping a little more negatively.

By negatively I don't mean hate but more in the category damn is that stupid *facepalm*.

What I try to remember is that, whatever my perception, that stuff probably have nothing to do with any individual I'm interacting with. Individuals in my life I judge based upon their interactions with me alone.



What it translates to ingame is that when I get thrown into a game I don't care that much about what others should be playing but how a game goes with my character. And if I dont like it I leave.

[Distilled Poison]

Oh god, now I miss Scrubs.

[Happy Shepard]

I liked to kill Batarians in SP. But my Brotarians are different! They were just corrupted through the Hegemony! But now, as their whole race is almost extinct, they have realized how awful and bad they were!

I disliked Vorchas and Batarians during the campaign, but when i play them, it's different. Probably because they are my own version of Vorchas/Batarians and i can pretend that they are a unique character and no stereotypical mercenary or terrorist.

Modifié par Happy Shepard, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:02 .

[N7Kopper]

hostaman wrote...

I never play as a Batarian or Vorcha for that matter as I just don't like the play style, but I have no problem playing on a team with any races.

One of the best aspects of the SP game is the way that characters can be good or bad from all different races. I think this carries over well into MP, and is one of the things which sets ME apart from other games where the good v evil dynamic is more black and white.

The only definitely evil character is Morinth. She is a sociopathic sex vampire killer. Kai Leng may also be evil, but he might just be an indoctrinated racist, it's impossible to know for certain.

And speaking of Fantastic Racism, the geth have a history, I find, of acting duplicitously and selfishly in regards to survival. I only found this after extensive plot analysis, coming after my romance decision, ending decision, every game decision I made throughout the series, and after my emotional channelling of Shepard simmered down into a semi-detached love for the series. This doesn't justify the quarian people picking a fight with them initially, but can justify (to someone not in the know, aka the Migrant Fleet) starting the Rannoch War.
It also does not justify their genocide. No genocide is justified given the choice, (and an actual choice, not a choice between three kinda-bad things and everyone dying horribly) it's a matter of picking your poison over winning the mission if you screw the pooch. Fate of the many, actions of the few, even a semi-hive mind doesn't justify or lessen the impact.

Contrasting EDI, who was hard-coded for self-preservation and preservation of the Normandy, but decided to tell that prime directive to screw off after falling in love with a fragile pilot. The geth were coded to serve, they chose to survive. EDI was coded to survive, she chose to live.


...As you can tell, I give no craps about who you play as in multiplayer, as long as they mesh well and you're not bad.

Modifié par N7Kopper, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .

[78stonewobble]

N7Kopper wrote...

hostaman wrote...

I never play as a Batarian or Vorcha for that matter as I just don't like the play style, but I have no problem playing on a team with any races.

One of the best aspects of the SP game is the way that characters can be good or bad from all different races. I think this carries over well into MP, and is one of the things which sets ME apart from other games where the good v evil dynamic is more black and white.

The only definitely evil character is Morinth. She is a sociopathic sex vampire killer. Kai Leng may also be evil, but he might just be an indoctrinated racist, it's impossible to know for certain.

And speaking of Fantastic Racism, the geth have a history, I find, of acting duplicitously and selfishly in regards to survival. I only found this after extensive plot analysis, coming after my romance decision, ending decision, every game decision I made throughout the series, and after my emotional channelling of Shepard simmered down into a semi-detached love for the series. This doesn't justify the quarian people picking a fight with them initially, but can justify (to someone not in the know, aka the Migrant Fleet) starting the Rannoch War.
It also does not justify their genocide. No genocide is justified given the choice, it's a matter of picking your poison over winning the mission if you screw the pooch. Fate of the many, actions of the few, even a semi-hive mind doesn't justify or lessen the impact.

Contrasting EDI, who was hard-coded for self-preservation and preservation of the Normandy, but decided to tell that prime directive to screw off after falling in love with a fragile pilot. The geth were coded to serve, they chose to survive. EDI was coded to survive, she chose to live.


...As you can tell, I give no craps about who you play as in multiplayer, as long as they mesh well and you're not bad.

Hmm personally I don't believe in good and evil per say. In fact you could argue that Morinth was a tragic victim of a horrible genetic disease that affected her judgement beyond her controll (as opposed to the other ardat who could controll it). Kai Leng as well a victim through the indoctrination.

[-JP-]

It's a bleeding game.

[SMBTheExile]

I couldn't care less what colour or species they are. It's a team game. I've seen no Batarians, for example, that have exhibited any behaviour they're associated with in the SP game. Therefore they're absolutely fine.

In my fairly recent and reasonably wide experience (I'm military), it's an individual person's traits that make them dislikeable or likeable rather then a made up generalisation others are stupid enough to believe. I've been fortunate enough to meet some wonderful people of all faiths and colours.

[Eckswhyzed]

SMBTheExile wrote...

I couldn't care less what colour or species they are. It's a team game. I've seen no Batarians, for example, that have exhibited any behaviour they're associated with in the SP game. Therefore they're absolutely fine.

In my fairly recent and reasonably wide experience (I'm military), it's an individual person's traits that make them dislikeable or likeable rather then a made up generalisation others are stupid enough to believe. I've been fortunate enough to meet some wonderful people of all faiths and colours.

THIS.

I don't care what species you are as long as you're with me contributing to the fight.

Now let's go take down some reaper forces!

[Thundercloud2012]

I'd settle for americans not shouting racial epithets over the mic, but that's a feature of every xbox multiplayer community.

I don't boot people over the races they play, I boot them after a game if they sucked, or they want to take a level 1 to a gold game.

Modifié par Thundercloud2012, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:52 .

[Uchimura]

I always thought Quarians were wimps. Tali's like a teenage whinebag and she's somehow high ranking in their society.

Anyway, if people are upset enough to kick a player based on their character's race, they need to go and do something else.

Modifié par Uchimura, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:06 .

[N7Kopper]

Uchimura wrote...

I always thought Quarians were wimps. Tali's like a teenage whinebag and she's somehow high ranking in their society.

It's unfair to judge a whole people based off one henchman. They're all wimps. Even Garrus and Wrex, whom the plot likes to pretend I couldn't beat at level 1 with standard-issue Alliance gear and no training. Admittedly, in Wrex's case, it'd be hard, but heavy melee to the plates with ripping action would solve it double quick.

Modifié par N7Kopper, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:16 .

[SandeProElite]

People need to learn to draw a line between single and multiplayer.

[Evelien]

Distilled Poison wrote...

I dislike the Krogan, and one time we had a disable the widgit objective and a Krogan got to it first, so I said, "Someone hit that Krogan with a tranquilizer before he headbutts the objective to bits."

I love krogan and still think that's hilarious. I have a bad habit of trying to headbutt the escort if there are no enemies close, so you might be onto something there

That said, perhaps I should examine my dislike for playing with phoenix characters more closely... I blame lash, but who knows what deep psychological issues are burried deep inside!

[Astronaughte]

Funny post! I don't like batarians, I feel like they constantly want to put a bullet in the back of Shepards head (if they could live through it). I didn't like them before I blew up the relay and killed most of them...but that was unavoidable honestly!

I don't go as far as refusing to play as them, in fact I really like playing as them, I also don't refuse to pick people up based in species alone.

That being said if there were ever rachni were playable characters I would hesitate because I effing HATE rachni