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[Saberchic]

Arch1eviathan wrote...

I want a mage hating companion for lulz.

Isn't that what Cassandra is going to be?

[Pedrak]

Medhia Nox wrote...

A topic like this is like fly paper for the: "Morality is too hard so I'll state it doesn't exist." crowd.

Probably just 16-year olds who have the luck to have never met / been damaged by evil people in real life.

Anyway, I'm surprised most posters talk as if the DAO series never had an evil companion. Morrigan was the kind of person who disapproved helping two young lovers to be together and approved leaving a desecrated corpse to the wolves instead of giving him a funeral pyre. I liked her because she was a well-written, well-acted character, but she was pretty much pure evil - although not cartoonishly so.

Modifié par Pedrak, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:55 .

[Saberchic]

franciscoamell wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Arch1eviathan wrote...

I want a mage hating companion for lulz.

Isn't that what Cassandra is going to be?

Not necessairly. Have you watched that movie they made about her? Rise of The Seeker, I think.

Unfortunately, yes. I have. 

[Doveberry]

Pure evil is ridiculous, as is pure good. Characters should have substance, not be reduced to one-dimensional behavioral patterns.

Modifié par Doveberry, 07 octobre 2012 - 07:12 .

[Vitlen]

AntiChri5 wrote...

"Pure" evil is just plain boring, just like "pure" good.

Characters with motives are far more interesting, and far less lazy. This isn't a childrens cartoon.

 Morrigan  was very close to be Pure evil but she is not  boring a bit...
Or maybe you think differently.. And motives can be evil too.

[Sol Downer]

Pedrak wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

A topic like this is like fly paper for the: "Morality is too hard so I'll state it doesn't exist." crowd.

Probably just 16-year olds who have the luck to have never met / been damaged by evil people in real life.

Anyway, I'm surprised most posters talk as if the DAO series never had an evil companion. Morrigan was the kind of person who disapproved helping two young lovers to be together and approved leaving a desecrated corpse to the wolves instead of giving him a funeral pyre. I liked her because she was a well-written, well-acted character, but she was pretty much pure evil - although not cartoonishly so.

What does age have to do with it?

[unbentbuzzkill]

I don't think morrigan was that evil just kinda cold hearted, but as evil companions go i prefer to have the person you least expect being the evil one.

[marshalleck]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Define 'pure evil'.

Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine.

And he wouldn't be someone's follower. He'd force lightning you into submission and following him, or death.

[Medhia Nox]

@marshalleck: Maybe Chaos Lord Malek is into being a lackey? You got beef?

@Ultimashade: Because young people often do not have the breadth of experiences someone much older might have.  If you don't believe this - you're likely one of the young people he (and now I) are talking about. He provided a stipulation to his comment - he didn't say "every" 16 year old.  And besides- you really don't want the experiences that come to show that there are some right evil farks in the world - so I wouldn't be outraged or anything at his comment. 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 07 octobre 2012 - 07:41 .

[marshalleck]

Well, he did name himself after one. Hmm.

[Alessa]

Vitlen wrote...

Please give us at least 2 or 3 pure evil companions so if I  play as a villain it will be possible to build my
party of friends who understand and won`t blame me for every action.

Evil is relative, as is good. So how do you define 'pure evil'? I guess, none of the 'sides' to chose, will be really 'evil', neither will there be a 'good' one.

[Medhia Nox]

*sigh* Evil is NOT entirely relative... neither is good.

[Sol Downer]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@marshalleck: Maybe Chaos Lord Malek is into being a lackey? You got beef?

@Ultimashade: Because young people often do not have the breadth of experiences someone much older might have.  If you don't believe this - you're likely one of the young people he (and now I) are talking about. He provided a stipulation to his comment - he didn't say "every" 16 year old.  And besides- you really don't want the experiences that come to show that there are some right evil farks in the world - so I wouldn't be outraged or anything at his comment. 

It's a generalization. Yes, I'm sixteen, and some people have experienced much more than me, but I am not ignorant of the world. You don't get in to college if you're an idiot. If you do you probably won't last long.

[KiwiQuiche]

As long as I don't get anymore spastic zealots like Anders and Fenris I'm happy.

[Pedrak]

Ultimashade wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@marshalleck: Maybe Chaos Lord Malek is into being a lackey? You got beef?

@Ultimashade: Because young people often do not have the breadth of experiences someone much older might have.  If you don't believe this - you're likely one of the young people he (and now I) are talking about. He provided a stipulation to his comment - he didn't say "every" 16 year old.  And besides- you really don't want the experiences that come to show that there are some right evil farks in the world - so I wouldn't be outraged or anything at his comment. 

It's a generalization. Yes, I'm sixteen, and some people have experienced much more than me, but I am not ignorant of the world. You don't get in to college if you're an idiot. If you do you probably won't last long.

I didn't say "All 16-years old believe this "There Is No Evil" garden-variety Nietzsche stuff", I just implied that most people who buy it are typically 16-years old ( = still very young). Big difference here - the same between saying, for example, "lonely people tend to be unpleasant" and "unpleasant people tend to be lonely".

Anyway, one can totally be ignorant of the world (not saying it's your case - I have no idea of who you are) without being an idiot, as long as he is still a teen, at least.

Modifié par Pedrak, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:14 .

[septembervirgin]

Leliana kills someone on a contract murder in her DLC -- she does this in the "spirit of fun" and to impress an older friend. Sten murders families including children if he fears his travel ticket home is lost forever. Zevran is a murderer for money. Shale likes squishing people's heads and really only cares about a very few people enough not to murder them out of hand. No Dragon Age companion characters have real regrets for killing strangers. If they were real people, I'd be hesitant to establish a friendship with any of them except for the possessed lady, Wynne.

Yes, they are computer game characters, and yes, the fiction they exist is part of the media that regards killing as necessary. I don't find fault in the game nor the authors of this game. I do feel that we could usefully call most Dragon Age companion characters evil. Actually, I could be called evil with some use too. I just bought some jalapeno chicken and seasoned it with hot mustard then left it in the fridge. Evil.

[scootermcgaffin]

God no. Morrigan was awful about this in DA:O. Just straight up suggests screwing yourself over and sabotaging your own goals just for the sake of being evil.

Modifié par scootermcgaffin, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:19 .

[hexaligned]

septembervirgin wrote...

Leliana kills someone on a contract murder in her DLC -- she does this in the "spirit of fun" and to impress an older friend. Sten murders families including children if he fears his travel ticket home is lost forever. Zevran is a murderer for money. Shale likes squishing people's heads and really only cares about a very few people enough not to murder them out of hand. No Dragon Age companion characters have real regrets for killing strangers. If they were real people, I'd be hesitant to establish a friendship with any of them except for the possessed lady, Wynne.

Yes, they are computer game characters, and yes, the fiction they exist is part of the media that regards killing as necessary. I don't find fault in the game nor the authors of this game. I do feel that we could usefully call most Dragon Age companion characters evil. Actually, I could be called evil with some use too. I just bought some jalapeno chicken and seasoned it with hot mustard then left it in the fridge. Evil.

Taking life is necessary, that is a fundemental truth of existance.  Everything about life screams that simple fact.  If not you, then someone has to do it in your name, and for your sake.  Killing doesn't make someone evil, killing unnecessarily without using the resources you acquire by doing so, you can make an argument for.

[daaaav]

I'm not sure why people want to play as psychopaths...

Even from a role playing perspective it doesn't make sense since a psychotic simply wouldn't care about whatever the main plot was... It would be like role playing as the Joker who would notice the blight, shrug his shoulders and go murder some cats (or have a teaparty with them) or something...

Far more interesting to play as a true anti hero than as a character who doesn't care about ANYTHING by definition.

[jennamarae]

daaaav wrote...

It would be like role playing as the Joker who would notice the blight, shrug his shoulders and go murder some cats (or have a teaparty with them) or something...

That's the best line I've read on here all day.


Back to the original post,  I don't think it would turn out the way you're hoping it would. If they were actually evil, it's highly unlikely they would bother joining you as a companion to begin with either because they just wouldn't care about your goals or they'd be insane. (see: every blood mage in DA2) Neither option is a promising start for a working relationship.

[septembervirgin]

I left some jalapeno chicken in the fridge.  That is unarguably vile and wicked.  Evil even.  You fail to address that matter.

relhart wrote...

septembervirgin wrote...

Yes, they are computer game characters, and yes, the fiction they exist is part of the media that regards killing as necessary. I don't find fault in the game nor the authors of this game. I do feel that we could usefully call most Dragon Age companion characters evil. Actually, I could be called evil with some use too. I just bought some jalapeno chicken and seasoned it with hot mustard then left it in the fridge. Evil.

Taking life is necessary, that is a fundemental truth of existance.  Everything about life screams that simple fact.  If not you, then someone has to do it in your name, and for your sake.  Killing doesn't make someone evil, killing unnecessarily without using the resources you acquire by doing so, you can make an argument for.

[wright1978]

I'm all for having a somebody like a rather amoral Tevinter mage as a companion. Not interesting in there being an evil for kicks character.