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[BatmanTurian]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The problem is this: Pro-Enders can't post and suggest their ideas without some IT support popping up and shooting off the debate.

How bout we come to a common ground ITers and Proenders?

Yes, how about you do what I suggest and don't come into an IT thread to bash IT. Which you clearly did. This thread was not about pro-enders. That was blatantly obvious from the title, yet all of you came to troll it.

I meerly stated that it wasn't going to happen.

and then you stuck around...

[masster blaster]

Top Ten :

I) Indoctrination in general :

Regarding IT, Shepard is in the process of indoctrination and the outcome is decided by the final decision taken.

The concept of indoctrination is a crucial part throughout the trilogy and nothing new to the player (link 1and 2).

Rana Thanoptis is an example of how subtle and slow indoctrination can be.

Shepard knocked out for two days by a Reaper artifact that indoctrinated an entire facility.

Logs on the derelict Reaper illustrate the reactions of victims of indoctrination.

Paul Grayson's indoctrination show its effects on someone's mind.

Harbinger's smacktalk (link 1 and 2).



List of in-game reasons:

1) The Breath Scene :
- London rubble
- Mako in the background
- Citadel explosion

2) The Kid :
- teleportation in Vancouver
- opens a door that is marked as locked
- survives blast
- not seen by anyone else
- warning symbols

3) The Dreams :
- dream sequences and post-beam sequence share the same game mechanics
- reality-nonreality transition after beam shot (post-beam, dreams, Geth Consensus)
- oily shadows and whispering
- nightmares are mentioned in the Arrival by subjects being indoctrinated
- Chambers and Asari having PTSD as comparison between PTSD & Shepard's dreams

4) The Citadel :
- resembling events of the past
- Coats dead on the Citadel

5) Anderson & TIM :
- how did Anderson follow Shepard?
- how can Anderson reach the control first?
- why did no one else follow Anderson?
- from where did TIM shows up?
- Anderson addressing Shepard ("They are controlling you!")
- Shepard being dominated by TIM and thus through him by the Reapers
- Anderson's wound (link 1 and 2)
- Reaper horn played in the background (at 1/2 speed)

6) Leviathan :
- Harbinger/the Reapers perfected enthrallment to indoctrination
- enthrallment uses memories of its victim
- similarities between Leviathan end and decision chamber
- zap sound as a sign to enter/leave virtual reality (link 1 and 2)
- note the file name of the sixth murder that can be found in Bryson's lab

7) The Choices :
- Shepard on his knees happened only during/after some mind control
- the Guardian is aligned to the Reapers
- Control and Synthesis being supported by indoctrinated characters
- a swap in the colours (TIM = Paragon; Anderson = Renegade)
- huskification during Control/Synthesis vs. Shepard gaining strength while shooting the tubes
- Guardian losing it when you refuse ("SO BE IT!")
- decision chamber looks like a dialogue wheel from an aerial view
- decision chamber resembling beam
- ambiguous end dialogue (Control/Synthesis)
- slide shows in Control/Synthesis/Destroy illustrate future possibilities, not facts that already happened
- soldiers in Destroy fighting fiercely while in Control/Synthesis they are losing (on a side note: no cheering in Synthesis)

8) The Beam Run :
- Harbinger pin-pointing everyone and everything but Shepard
- Harbinger not destroying the Normandy
- Shepard surviving the blast that one-shots Makos and Gunships
- Harbinger leaving

9) The Guardian :
- has the same shape as the kid (extraction of Shepard's memories)
- speaks with femshep's and broshep's voice
- Harbinger's line in the MP trailer (link 1 and 2)



List of meta-reasons :

1) IT is as valid as a literal interpretation

2) new game in the MEU :
- prequel with humans would only have the First Contact War as topic
- prequel without humans would alienate a big part of the fanbase
- prequel in a previous cycle is like a whole new universe
- any prequel would have an already known ending
- a game during the events of ME1-ME3 would not be able to have any choices with impact
- Control has no real conflict potential, since we have Shreaper/Harpard
- Synthesis has no real conflict potential, since everything is nice and dandy
- Refuse has no real potential
- this only leaves Destroy as possible candidate as canon


Here is the site that goes with all the links.

http://social.biowar...7/1180#14344443

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 octobre 2012 - 11:59 .

[MajorKellyRisner]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

see, this could have been a nice thread. But people had to come in and start crap. If you didn't want the DLC the OP suggested, then all you have to do is not download it. It is optional and alternate. So please stop being drama queens.

No, it's not optional. It's friggen plot changing.

Me not downloading LoTSB doesn't change the fact that Liara is destined to be the Shadow Broker. If Bioware release IT DLC, they're essentially making the IT canon (which is against their "no canon ending" stance they've had for a while now).

Only casual Mass Effect players wouldn't feel obligated to download it. And if it isn't free then they would basically be forcing their core fanbase to pay for something that should have been included with the original game. That's a good way to alienate fans.

Many Bioware employees have come out and told us that they have no plans to release post-ending DLC. And no they're not lying because there is no ****ing reason to lie about that.

It's alternate ending DLC, even if it wasn't you STILL don't have to download it. And how many times have Bioware lied now?

Stop getting your panties in a wad over something you don't even have to choose to affect you.

That's not alternate though, The IT claims that the events of the ending are happening but we're not getting the full story. The IT is presumably an extension of what is already there. It changes the direction of the narrative which would force any Mass Effect buff to buy it.

So don't kid yourself.

ONE more time. It's proposed to be optional. YOU DON'T  even have to download it. You are freaking out about something you don't have to participate in.

But what if your one who likes to have all the dlcs? Like myself. That is conflicting

[KENNY4753]

Seival wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Then why do you ITers keep posting in almost every topic something that relates to IT? Honestly, its sickening and annoying that everything is somehow related to this theory. Let us proenders live in peace and quite when we post our ideas and claims.

As I already told, "IT"ers demand to tolerate them, but show no toleration to others. This should be stopped.

I think everyone who think this "IT-fest" became too annoying should report each off-topic "IT" post or thread.

So you want ITers to tolerate others but you don't tolerate them.

That's pretty good logic. It doesn't make you sound like a hypoctrite at all.

[BatmanTurian]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

see, this could have been a nice thread. But people had to come in and start crap. If you didn't want the DLC the OP suggested, then all you have to do is not download it. It is optional and alternate. So please stop being drama queens.

No, it's not optional. It's friggen plot changing.

Me not downloading LoTSB doesn't change the fact that Liara is destined to be the Shadow Broker. If Bioware release IT DLC, they're essentially making the IT canon (which is against their "no canon ending" stance they've had for a while now).

Only casual Mass Effect players wouldn't feel obligated to download it. And if it isn't free then they would basically be forcing their core fanbase to pay for something that should have been included with the original game. That's a good way to alienate fans.

Many Bioware employees have come out and told us that they have no plans to release post-ending DLC. And no they're not lying because there is no ****ing reason to lie about that.

It's alternate ending DLC, even if it wasn't you STILL don't have to download it. And how many times have Bioware lied now?

Stop getting your panties in a wad over something you don't even have to choose to affect you.

That's not alternate though, The IT claims that the events of the ending are happening but we're not getting the full story. The IT is presumably an extension of what is already there. It changes the direction of the narrative which would force any Mass Effect buff to buy it.

So don't kid yourself.

ONE more time. It's proposed to be optional. YOU DON'T  even have to download it. You are freaking out about something you don't have to participate in.

But what if your one who likes to have all the dlcs? Like myself. That is conflicting

obviously you don't like IT, so wouldn't that outweigh your OCD need to download all content?

[AresKeith]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The problem is this: Pro-Enders can't post and suggest their ideas without some IT support popping up and shooting off the debate.

How bout we come to a common ground ITers and Proenders?

They really should come to common grounds, but Seival needs to back off with antagonizing the IT supporters

I will as well back off...aslong as a topic that support Pro-ending doesn't have a pop up of IT in it...

as for Seival, just ignore him. 

True that some IT supporters also needs to back off.

Most of tried to ignore Seival, but lately he's been acting like a Cult leader and its getting creepy

[MegaSovereign]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

see, this could have been a nice thread. But people had to come in and start crap. If you didn't want the DLC the OP suggested, then all you have to do is not download it. It is optional and alternate. So please stop being drama queens.

No, it's not optional. It's friggen plot changing.

Me not downloading LoTSB doesn't change the fact that Liara is destined to be the Shadow Broker. If Bioware release IT DLC, they're essentially making the IT canon (which is against their "no canon ending" stance they've had for a while now).

Only casual Mass Effect players wouldn't feel obligated to download it. And if it isn't free then they would basically be forcing their core fanbase to pay for something that should have been included with the original game. That's a good way to alienate fans.

Many Bioware employees have come out and told us that they have no plans to release post-ending DLC. And no they're not lying because there is no ****ing reason to lie about that.

It's alternate ending DLC, even if it wasn't you STILL don't have to download it. And how many times have Bioware lied now?

Stop getting your panties in a wad over something you don't even have to choose to affect you.

That's not alternate though, The IT claims that the events of the ending are happening but we're not getting the full story. The IT is presumably an extension of what is already there. It changes the direction of the narrative which would force any Mass Effect buff to buy it.

So don't kid yourself.

ONE more time. It's proposed to be optional. YOU DON'T  even have to download it. You are freaking out about something you don't have to participate in.

Yea I don't HAVE to download it. Just like how I don't HAVE to download LoTSB or Arrival. That doesn't stop those chain of events from happening.

IT DLC would not be an alternative plot line for the story. I don't HAVE To buy it but it would certainly affect my story, especially if they plan to make sequels.

[Seival]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Seival wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Then why do you ITers keep posting in almost every topic something that relates to IT? Honestly, its sickening and annoying that everything is somehow related to this theory. Let us proenders live in peace and quite when we post our ideas and claims.

As I already told, "IT"ers demand to tolerate them, but show no toleration to others. This should be stopped.

I think everyone who think this "IT-fest" became too annoying should report each off-topic "IT" post or thread.

And I think everyone should report you for obsessive harassment, because that's clearly what you do.

No. "IT"ers who send you obsessive harassment via PMs should be reported for obsessive harassment.

What I do, is trying to stop "IT" spam in Story forums.

[AresKeith]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Seival wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Then why do you ITers keep posting in almost every topic something that relates to IT? Honestly, its sickening and annoying that everything is somehow related to this theory. Let us proenders live in peace and quite when we post our ideas and claims.

As I already told, "IT"ers demand to tolerate them, but show no toleration to others. This should be stopped.

I think everyone who think this "IT-fest" became too annoying should report each off-topic "IT" post or thread.

So you want ITers to tolerate others but you don't tolerate them.

That's pretty good logic. It doesn't make you sound like a hypoctrite at all.

He's the king of hyopcrites, next to Dreman

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The problem is this: Pro-Enders can't post and suggest their ideas without some IT support popping up and shooting off the debate.

How bout we come to a common ground ITers and Proenders?

Yeah, and if someone mentions anything that relates to IT, they are instantly branded stupid and childish. Hell, they get harrased in their own damn thread sometimes to. So before you go pointing the finger at ITers, just look at the people on your own damn side.

As for common ground, how about this? Just agree to disagree.

EDIT: Woah, MAJOR ninja haha.

Modifié par TheIdiocyWizard2.0, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:05 .

[MajorKellyRisner]

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The problem is this: Pro-Enders can't post and suggest their ideas without some IT support popping up and shooting off the debate.

How bout we come to a common ground ITers and Proenders?

They really should come to common grounds, but Seival needs to back off with antagonizing the IT supporters

I will as well back off...aslong as a topic that support Pro-ending doesn't have a pop up of IT in it...

as for Seival, just ignore him. 

True that some IT supporters also needs to back off.

Most of tried to ignore Seival, but lately he's been acting like a Cult leader and its getting creepy

True true...maybe he is Indoctrinated. haha jk

Either way...Some ITers should back off and let thoses who want to show their idea not be harressed with the "Does this Prove IT" post.

[BatmanTurian]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea I don't HAVE to download it. Just like how I don't HAVE to download LoTSB or Arrival. That doesn't stop those chain of events from happening.

IT DLC would not be an alternative plot line for the story. I don't HAVE To buy it but it would certainly affect my story, especially if they plan to make sequels.

It would be optional. That way they can say " the endings are the endings"  and then say " oh and here's something extra for the fans."

They're probably not going to do it. But you guys are getting upset over a hypothetical that would be optional, alternate, and that you wouldn't download or enjoy anyway.

[BatmanTurian]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The problem is this: Pro-Enders can't post and suggest their ideas without some IT support popping up and shooting off the debate.

How bout we come to a common ground ITers and Proenders?

They really should come to common grounds, but Seival needs to back off with antagonizing the IT supporters

I will as well back off...aslong as a topic that support Pro-ending doesn't have a pop up of IT in it...

as for Seival, just ignore him. 

True that some IT supporters also needs to back off.

Most of tried to ignore Seival, but lately he's been acting like a Cult leader and its getting creepy

True true...maybe he is Indoctrinated. haha jk

Either way...Some ITers should back off and let thoses who want to show their idea not be harressed with the "Does this Prove IT" post.

the does this prove it posts are usually trolls.

[BatmanTurian]

Seival wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Seival wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Then why do you ITers keep posting in almost every topic something that relates to IT? Honestly, its sickening and annoying that everything is somehow related to this theory. Let us proenders live in peace and quite when we post our ideas and claims.

As I already told, "IT"ers demand to tolerate them, but show no toleration to others. This should be stopped.

I think everyone who think this "IT-fest" became too annoying should report each off-topic "IT" post or thread.

And I think everyone should report you for obsessive harassment, because that's clearly what you do.

No. "IT"ers who send you obsessive harassment via PMs should be reported for obsessive harassment.

What I do, is trying to stop "IT" spam in Story forums.

No, what you do is carry your obvious mental illness baggage into a public forum for a video game.

[MajorKellyRisner]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The problem is this: Pro-Enders can't post and suggest their ideas without some IT support popping up and shooting off the debate.

How bout we come to a common ground ITers and Proenders?

They really should come to common grounds, but Seival needs to back off with antagonizing the IT supporters

I will as well back off...aslong as a topic that support Pro-ending doesn't have a pop up of IT in it...

as for Seival, just ignore him. 

True that some IT supporters also needs to back off.

Most of tried to ignore Seival, but lately he's been acting like a Cult leader and its getting creepy

True true...maybe he is Indoctrinated. haha jk

Either way...Some ITers should back off and let thoses who want to show their idea not be harressed with the "Does this Prove IT" post.

the does this prove it posts are usually trolls.

which starts the debate...

Let me think of something in the next week or two...

[KENNY4753]

Seival wrote...

No. "IT"ers who send you obsessive harassment via PMs should be reported for obsessive harassment.

What I do, is trying to stop "IT" spam in Story forums.

1. What's the difference between people sending you a message that can be taken as harrassment and what you do. Every single thread/post of yours bashes IT and harrasses people who believe IT

2. People have asked in the past for it to be switched to the fan creations forum or whatever but the mods said no, it stays in the story discussion forum. deal with it. Just go ask Chris or another mod if it belongs in the story forum. If they say yes, then let it go.

[BatmanTurian]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The problem is this: Pro-Enders can't post and suggest their ideas without some IT support popping up and shooting off the debate.

How bout we come to a common ground ITers and Proenders?

They really should come to common grounds, but Seival needs to back off with antagonizing the IT supporters

I will as well back off...aslong as a topic that support Pro-ending doesn't have a pop up of IT in it...

as for Seival, just ignore him. 

True that some IT supporters also needs to back off.

Most of tried to ignore Seival, but lately he's been acting like a Cult leader and its getting creepy

True true...maybe he is Indoctrinated. haha jk

Either way...Some ITers should back off and let thoses who want to show their idea not be harressed with the "Does this Prove IT" post.

the does this prove it posts are usually trolls.

which starts the debate...

Let me think of something in the next week or two...

Personally, I try not to be a jerk when I'm in the "pro-ender" threads. We can agree to disagree and that's fine with me. We should be able to discuss this stuff like adults without attacking each other.

[byne]

Seival wrote...


What I do, is trying to stop "IT" spam in Story forums.

>People are talking about something I dont liek
>That makes it spam

[PinkysPain]

I wouldn't even mind paying for a good ending ... Multiplayer justified the price of entry for ME3 for me.

[MajorKellyRisner]

PinkysPain wrote...

I wouldn't even mind paying for a good ending ... Multiplayer justified the price of entry for ME3 for me.

Ah multiplayer...

[AresKeith]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

I wouldn't even mind paying for a good ending ... Multiplayer justified the price of entry for ME3 for me.

Ah multiplayer...

I liked that one of the devs said they liked my MP DLC idea

[MajorKellyRisner]

Which one was that?

[AresKeith]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Which one was that?

It was my Spectre DLC thread http://social.biowar.../index/13069287


I was talking to Derek in PM about it

[spotlessvoid]

Basically:

"Why can't I stop by an IT DLC thread and make condescending posts and not get called on it?"

[byne]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Basically:

"Why can't I stop by an IT DLC thread and make condescending posts and not get called on it?"

If you mean Seival, its more 'why cant I come to an IT thread without seeing people discussing IT?'