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[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Basically:

"Why can't I stop by an IT DLC thread and make condescending posts and not get called on it?"

If you mean Seival, its more 'why cant I come to an IT thread without seeing people discussing IT?'

ya got me there b

[thehomeworld]

ATiBotka wrote...

If IT is true, I will burn my Collectors Edition.

I'm with you. Why release DLC that is worse then the catalyst existing? The IT theory invalidates not only ME3 but also ME2 from the moment you wake up on the Cerberus table so BW will also have to release something that shows you were a pawn from day 1.

[StElmo]

Seboist wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

People still honestly believe in IT? Seriously?

Some will continue to believe in IT right until the grave.

No, more like hope IT.

People want things to make sense, so people support IT mainly on that basis, its not like they want the game to be incomplete and 99% of ITers fully expect a "wake up" moment in the game.

[StElmo]

thehomeworld wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

If IT is true, I will burn my Collectors Edition.

I'm with you. Why release DLC that is worse then the catalyst existing? The IT theory invalidates not only ME3 but also ME2 from the moment you wake up on the Cerberus table so BW will also have to release something that shows you were a pawn from day 1.

Wut?

IT doesn't invalidate ME2 or ME3. What makes you think that?

[N7Keller]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It was built by conspiracy theorist logic and is fueled by rampant denialism.

This is why I can never get behind IT.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

If you say free, then you have no idea about how the gaming industry works.

THIS ISN'T A CHARITY. Most I would pay is $30. For the most closure, satisfaction and such.

[KevShep]

 
Hell yeah I would pay!

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

Top Ten :

I) Indoctrination in general :

Regarding IT, Shepard is in the process of indoctrination and the outcome is decided by the final decision taken.

The concept of indoctrination is a crucial part throughout the trilogy and nothing new to the player (link 1and 2).

Rana Thanoptis is an example of how subtle and slow indoctrination can be.

Shepard knocked out for two days by a Reaper artifact that indoctrinated an entire facility.

Logs on the derelict Reaper illustrate the reactions of victims of indoctrination.

Paul Grayson's indoctrination show its effects on someone's mind.

Harbinger's smacktalk (link 1 and 2).



List of in-game reasons:

1) The Breath Scene :
- London rubble
- Mako in the background
- Citadel explosion

2) The Kid :
- teleportation in Vancouver
- opens a door that is marked as locked
- survives blast
- not seen by anyone else
- warning symbols

3) The Dreams :
- dream sequences and post-beam sequence share the same game mechanics
- reality-nonreality transition after beam shot (post-beam, dreams, Geth Consensus)
- oily shadows and whispering
- nightmares are mentioned in the Arrival by subjects being indoctrinated
- Chambers and Asari having PTSD as comparison between PTSD & Shepard's dreams

4) The Citadel :
- resembling events of the past
- Coats dead on the Citadel

5) Anderson & TIM :
- how did Anderson follow Shepard?
- how can Anderson reach the control first?
- why did no one else follow Anderson?
- from where did TIM shows up?
- Anderson addressing Shepard ("They are controlling you!")
- Shepard being dominated by TIM and thus through him by the Reapers
- Anderson's wound (link 1 and 2)
- Reaper horn played in the background (at 1/2 speed)

6) Leviathan :
- Harbinger/the Reapers perfected enthrallment to indoctrination
- enthrallment uses memories of its victim
- similarities between Leviathan end and decision chamber
- zap sound as a sign to enter/leave virtual reality (link 1 and 2)
- note the file name of the sixth murder that can be found in Bryson's lab

7) The Choices :
- Shepard on his knees happened only during/after some mind control
- the Guardian is aligned to the Reapers
- Control and Synthesis being supported by indoctrinated characters
- a swap in the colours (TIM = Paragon; Anderson = Renegade)
- huskification during Control/Synthesis vs. Shepard gaining strength while shooting the tubes
- Guardian losing it when you refuse ("SO BE IT!")
- decision chamber looks like a dialogue wheel from an aerial view
- decision chamber resembling beam
- ambiguous end dialogue (Control/Synthesis)
- slide shows in Control/Synthesis/Destroy illustrate future possibilities, not facts that already happened
- soldiers in Destroy fighting fiercely while in Control/Synthesis they are losing (on a side note: no cheering in Synthesis)

8) The Beam Run :
- Harbinger pin-pointing everyone and everything but Shepard
- Harbinger not destroying the Normandy
- Shepard surviving the blast that one-shots Makos and Gunships
- Harbinger leaving

9) The Guardian :
- has the same shape as the kid (extraction of Shepard's memories)
- speaks with femshep's and broshep's voice
- Harbinger's line in the MP trailer (link 1 and 2)



List of meta-reasons :

1) IT is as valid as a literal interpretation

2) new game in the MEU :
- prequel with humans would only have the First Contact War as topic
- prequel without humans would alienate a big part of the fanbase
- prequel in a previous cycle is like a whole new universe
- any prequel would have an already known ending
- a game during the events of ME1-ME3 would not be able to have any choices with impact
- Control has no real conflict potential, since we have Shreaper/Harpard
- Synthesis has no real conflict potential, since everything is nice and dandy
- Refuse has no real potential
- this only leaves Destroy as possible candidate as canon


Here is the site that goes with all the links.

http://social.biowar...7/1180#14344443

[SovereignX6]

4 the love of Christ, im very well positive there wont be ANY. but i would be interested into seeing it,and can we please leave the endings alone....

[ZerebusPrime]

Would I pay for it???!?!?!!?


If it's good enough, I'd pay TWICE.

[KevShep]

norcalgamer wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It was built by conspiracy theorist logic and is fueled by rampant denialism.

This is why I can never get behind IT.

Then your also not getting behind it for the wrong reasons as well.

Wheather or not some of the ITers are a little ruff (sometimes me as well) and sure beyond any doubt does not mean that the IT is not a good thing to hope for.

My main hope is that my ...OUR... Mass Effect series getts the best it can and not throwing that aside just because some of the supporters of that hope are a little pushy.

Modifié par KevShep, 08 octobre 2012 - 02:41 .

[spotlessvoid]

thehomeworld wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

If IT is true, I will burn my Collectors Edition.

I'm with you. Why release DLC that is worse then the catalyst existing? The IT theory invalidates not only ME3 but also ME2 from the moment you wake up on the Cerberus table so BW will also have to release something that shows you were a pawn from day 1.

Another blatant and riduculous misrepresentation of what IT states. Try getting your facts even.a little bit straight

[spotlessvoid]

This is why IT hasn't "gone away"

We have the series themes, lore and story behind us. We have Bioware's history of twist endings. We have the ending content itself. And almost all off our most vocal critics resort to misrepresentations and outright lies sandwiched between insults and ignorance to attack us. Most of them get so much wrong, intentionally or not, that it's not hard to understand why their arguments hold so little credibility.

[AlanC9]

KevShep wrote...

Wheather or not some of the ITers are a little ruff (sometimes me as well) and sure beyond any doubt does not mean that the IT is not a good thing to hope for.

My main hope is that my ...OUR... Mass Effect series getts the best it can and not throwing that aside just because some of the supporters of that hope are a little pushy.

Well, that's the thing. IT strikes me as something that would make the game worse, not better.

[PinkysPain]

Question is ... would it prevent you from pre-ordering a Bioware game?

Because as it stands ME3 and Bioware's complete inability to show it has learned from it's mistakes prevents me from pre-ordering any new Bioware game (unless they have multiplayer in DA3 I guess, but I don't think so).

[TJBartlemus]

AlanC9 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Wheather or not some of the ITers are a little ruff (sometimes me as well) and sure beyond any doubt does not mean that the IT is not a good thing to hope for.

My main hope is that my ...OUR... Mass Effect series getts the best it can and not throwing that aside just because some of the supporters of that hope are a little pushy.

Well, that's the thing. IT strikes me as something that would make the game worse, not better.

Why?  Many would think that it makes it better...

[Ninja Stan]

Please use the existing IT thread to discuss IT. Thank you.

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