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If IT or "Wake-up" DLC is released, should it be free or paid?


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Shadrach 88 wrote...


lolwat


I'm trying to come up with a new banner that says I'm too lazy to remove the old one. 

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But honestly I don't see Bioware coming out 8-9 months after the game's release and saying OK everyone here's the real ending to the game.


What I am interested in is to what the final piece of DLC will be. I mean, it'll be the last DLC for the Mass Effect trilogy. Ever.

It'd be a bit anti-climatic to be just "Cerberus is here. Kill them good."

Well, judging by the precedent set by the final ME1 DLC and the final ME2 DLC, it'll be awful.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 07 octobre 2012 - 04:35 .


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Seival wrote...

I think this thread should be closed, because it has no other purpose but trolling and provoking negative reaction...

...This thread is one more example why all "IT" discussions should be moved to fan-fiction section of the forums.


You are so ridiculous in your hatred. Too bad for you

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People still honestly believe in IT? Seriously?


Some "IT"ers just addicted to their theory to much. It's ok, when they are discussing their fan-fic in one centralized thread. But too vocal "IT"ers can provoke nothing, but annoyance.


Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...


Well, judging by the precedent set by the final ME1 DLC and the final ME2 DLC, it'll be awful.


Pinaccle station was terrible. Arrival wasn't as good as LotSB admittedly, but it did round off the DLC as a "bridging" piece, so it was fitting to be ME2's last DLC.

As for ME3 though, I don't know what would be fitting for the last episode.

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Well, judging by the precedent set by the final ME1 DLC and the final ME2 DLC, it'll be awful.


Pinaccle station was terrible. Arrival wasn't as good as LotSB admittedly, but it did round off the DLC as a "bridging" piece, so it was fitting to be ME2's last DLC.

As for ME3 though, I don't know what would be fitting for the last episode.

A glorified advertisement for ME4?

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o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

People still honestly believe in IT? Seriously?


Some "IT"ers just addicted to their theory to much. It's ok, when they are discussing their fan-fic in one centralized thread. But too vocal "IT"ers can provoke nothing, but annoyance.


Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.


Lol Good times.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

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Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.


Lol Good times.


Wait, what?

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And I doubt Bioware will ever come out and say the IT is not true.

Well as long as they still have DLC they want to sell they won't :lol:

Why would they risk a large group of players saying well the ending is that bad I'm done with this game then. 

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Shadrach 88 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

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Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.


Lol Good times.


Wait, what?


social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12417449

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o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

People still honestly believe in IT? Seriously?


Some "IT"ers just addicted to their theory to much. It's ok, when they are discussing their fan-fic in one centralized thread. But too vocal "IT"ers can provoke nothing, but annoyance.


Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.


Didn't he also make a Cult thread telling us to become "pro-enders"?

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AresKeith wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

People still honestly believe in IT? Seriously?


Some "IT"ers just addicted to their theory to much. It's ok, when they are discussing their fan-fic in one centralized thread. But too vocal "IT"ers can provoke nothing, but annoyance.


Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.


Didn't he also make a Cult thread telling us to become "pro-enders"?


I remember his post in 3D's thread about how he will try to forcefully convert everyone to liking the endings for their own good. lol that was kind of scary, actually.

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A far as IT content goes
Shepard/War Assets/Squad can get to the crucible in a number of ways, but the gist is this:
My favorite idea is the crucible only disables the Reaper's shields , giving the fleets enough of a fighting chance to drive the Reapers from the Sol system, thus taking Earth back. Reapers aren't defeated, just no longer practically invulnerable and fall back to avoid unacceptable losses.

This could truly set up future content in this cycle. They could make me4 or me3 expansion/part 2 in this cycle, Shepard or new protagonist. Reapers and Leviathan can sill subvert people, and though more cautious, the Reapers military strength is still tremendously formidable. with all the potential indoctrinated people in military and government and the Reapers and Leviathan still pulling strings, there's a ton of potential conflict to make a/several games from.

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Why waste time and money validating headcanon that its fanatical followers believe is irrefutable?


Not good business, IMO.

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HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why waste time and money validating headcanon that its fanatical followers believe is irrefutable?


Not good business, IMO.

Lol see post above. Great twist ending plus IP still intact. Right right, terrible business practice

BTW, I love how you only make opinionated attacks instead of presenting rational arguments. Keep up the crusade, you'll get there eventually

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 07 octobre 2012 - 04:56 .


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Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

People still honestly believe in IT? Seriously?


Some "IT"ers just addicted to their theory to much. It's ok, when they are discussing their fan-fic in one centralized thread. But too vocal "IT"ers can provoke nothing, but annoyance.


Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.


Didn't he also make a Cult thread telling us to become "pro-enders"?


I remember his post in 3D's thread about how he will try to forcefully convert everyone to liking the endings for their own good. lol that was kind of scary, actually.


That's why I don't take him serious

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Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

People still honestly believe in IT? Seriously?


Some "IT"ers just addicted to their theory to much. It's ok, when they are discussing their fan-fic in one centralized thread. But too vocal "IT"ers can provoke nothing, but annoyance.


Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.


Didn't he also make a Cult thread telling us to become "pro-enders"?


I remember his post in 3D's thread about how he will try to forcefully convert everyone to liking the endings for their own good. lol that was kind of scary, actually.


I dont want synthesis though ; ;

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Unschuld wrote...

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It should be free (if it hypothetically happened) just to keep bleeding-heart whiners like the one above to a minimum level of butthurt.

Excuse me?

Would you like to be told the ending to a game you actually liked was fake and would be replaced because someone else didn't like it or thought only Destroy should be a valid "true" ending?


Yup. If you fell for something so narratively incohesive then quite frankly you deserve to be tricked (remember that under the hypothetical IT scenario this was Bioware's plan all along, not changes because of outcry). In all likelyhood though this is just plain bad writing and woefully misused plot devices. Yes, destroy or refuse should be canonized because its the only way to set up a sequel that has any hope of staying true to the themes and actually remain interesting. 

I'm not being tricked, I'm being told that my choices don't matter.  I don't really care that you choose to interpret the narrative as nonsensical to the point where an absurd theory like IT makes more sense, but don't pretend IT wouldn't violate the one thing most Bioware fans can agree to wanting  for their choices.

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" I'm not being tricked, I'm being told that my choices don't matter. I don't really care that you choose to interpret the narrative as nonsensical to the point where an absurd theory like IT makes more sense, but don't pretend IT wouldn't violate the one thing most Bioware fans can agree to wanting for their choices."

But your choice DOES matter. Your Shepard got indoctrinated. They aren't going to retcon that away. Your story is just over. Like Sheps who die in the suicide mission.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

" I'm not being tricked, I'm being told that my choices don't matter. I don't really care that you choose to interpret the narrative as nonsensical to the point where an absurd theory like IT makes more sense, but don't pretend IT wouldn't violate the one thing most Bioware fans can agree to wanting for their choices."

But your choice DOES matter. Your Shepard got indoctrinated. They aren't going to retcon that away. Your story is just over. Like Sheps who die in the suicide mission.

Exactly, my choices don't matter because there is only one "correct" choice.  If I do anything else, if my Shepard's ideas stray an iota from the "correct" path, it becomes a failure path.

Multiple outcomes each with their own drawbacks and benefits are what an RPG should aspire to.  The suicide mission punished Shepard for rushing and not making sure the team's mind was on the mission.  This would punish Shepard for being the Shepard I have roleplayed instead of the Shepard you have roleplayed on the grounds of ideology.

That is unnacceptable

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 07 octobre 2012 - 05:13 .


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MegaSovereign wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Says the person who concocted the insanely idiotic idea that the Normandy didn't actually crash in the end, it was jsut a test flight.


Lol Good times.


Wait, what?


social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12417449


This "test flight theory" actually makes several pretty terrible assumptions. Like that a combat crew would be better suited for a test flight than people who can not only operate but also maintian and modify every system on the ship with redundency in case something goes wrong during a test flight. Or that everyone else would totally stick around to participate on the flight for purely sentimental reasons but Shepard would be way too busy to take his/her ship on the first manned flight through the rebuilt relays. And peopel say IT-supporters grasp at straws.

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And that's what you got. You'd rather there be no options for failure? Bioware foreshadowed against control and synthesis for 3 games. Stakes where high. You blew it (me too-control)

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bioware said there would be no more ending dlc.

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legion 21 wrote...

bioware said there would be no more ending dlc.

Actually, only community managers have said that. Hudson and Gamble have refused to even acknowledge that question. Same community managers who denied Omega and other content? Reliable for sure

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And that's what you got. You'd rather there be no options for failure? Bioware foreshadowed against control and synthesis for 3 games. Stakes where high. You blew it (me too-control)

That's not what I got, I got an ending where Shepard sacrificed herself and brought about a new golden age for galactic civilization drawing on the knowledge of millions of years of advanced races.  I'm not opposed to an option for failure, but that option for failure should be based on not preparing enough or a practical concern.  It should not be based on what my Shepard believes is best for the galaxy.  Punish the person for their actions not their ideas.

Those "foreshadowings" are bs, btw.