ATiBotka wrote...
Proof that Control and Synthesis are possible:
Control
Synthesis
Lord Aesir wrote...
Its astonishing how many times you seem to think I want failure to be impossible.spotlessvoid wrote...
" Do not punish me for having a different idea of what's best for the galaxy than you happen to have."
What a child like view of the world, no offense. Every decision is right is so cliche and Hollywood cheesy. Failure should always be an option. Especially in a narrative rich game aimed at adults
If you aren't actually going to pay attention to my positions I will stop this exchange now.
Lord Aesir wrote...
IT dictates that anyone that doesn't pick destroy has succombed to indoctrination. Where's the ambiguity in that?BatmanTurian wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
I don't need destroy to be a wrong decision, I only believe it shouldn't be the only correct one that gets the best outcome. I just oppose any theory that seeks to limit choices to a rigid hierarchy of better and worse. Do you at least see the problem with that?BatmanTurian wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
...How many times do I have to say they did the suicide mission right before you actually read what I'm typing? How many times are you going to refuse to see the distinction between the suicide mission and the IT? I won't explain it again, I've typed it out a dozen times over these past few pages.spotlessvoid wrote...
Lord Aesir:
So when someone makes the wrong decision during the suicide mission that's Bioware telling their players they're wrong? Bioware put everything you needed to know in the game to make the right choice. The world doesn't have to validate your opinion. Just like Bioware doesn't need to validate your choice because you believe it. Saren also believed in synthesis. Bioware made it clear how that ended. They did the same with TIM and control. Sheesh
Saren had Reaper hardware jammed directly into his skull, that is not the same as the synthesis no matter how much you want it to be, but at any rate I've said earlier that synthesis is a leap of faith. TIM was under the Reaper's control, but they freaked when they realized he'd figured out how to actually pull it off. That actually seems to suggest that Control is quite possible. Like I said, these "Foreshadowings" are nothing but selective interpretations.
I just don't understand the IT theory proponents need for my decision to be wrong.
We don't " need" you to be wrong. We just see things differently based on lore and themes present in the game. But you are entitled to your own opinion that you are right and we are wrong just as we are entitled to believe you are wrong and we are right. We both have valid interpretations (according to Bioware anyway).
What I see is people like you believing that because others believe differently, this somehow means we're spitting in your faces and on your decisions. This is an overreaction.
Lord Aesir wrote...
IT dictates that anyone that doesn't pick destroy has succombed to indoctrination. Where's the ambiguity in that?BatmanTurian wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
I don't need destroy to be a wrong decision, I only believe it shouldn't be the only correct one that gets the best outcome. I just oppose any theory that seeks to limit choices to a rigid hierarchy of better and worse. Do you at least see the problem with that?BatmanTurian wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
...How many times do I have to say they did the suicide mission right before you actually read what I'm typing? How many times are you going to refuse to see the distinction between the suicide mission and the IT? I won't explain it again, I've typed it out a dozen times over these past few pages.spotlessvoid wrote...
Lord Aesir:
So when someone makes the wrong decision during the suicide mission that's Bioware telling their players they're wrong? Bioware put everything you needed to know in the game to make the right choice. The world doesn't have to validate your opinion. Just like Bioware doesn't need to validate your choice because you believe it. Saren also believed in synthesis. Bioware made it clear how that ended. They did the same with TIM and control. Sheesh
Saren had Reaper hardware jammed directly into his skull, that is not the same as the synthesis no matter how much you want it to be, but at any rate I've said earlier that synthesis is a leap of faith. TIM was under the Reaper's control, but they freaked when they realized he'd figured out how to actually pull it off. That actually seems to suggest that Control is quite possible. Like I said, these "Foreshadowings" are nothing but selective interpretations.
I just don't understand the IT theory proponents need for my decision to be wrong.
We don't " need" you to be wrong. We just see things differently based on lore and themes present in the game. But you are entitled to your own opinion that you are right and we are wrong just as we are entitled to believe you are wrong and we are right. We both have valid interpretations (according to Bioware anyway).
What I see is people like you believing that because others believe differently, this somehow means we're spitting in your faces and on your decisions. This is an overreaction.
Lord Aesir wrote...
Its astonishing how many times you seem to think I want failure to be impossible.spotlessvoid wrote...
" Do not punish me for having a different idea of what's best for the galaxy than you happen to have."
What a child like view of the world, no offense. Every decision is right is so cliche and Hollywood cheesy. Failure should always be an option. Especially in a narrative rich game aimed at adults
If you aren't actually going to pay attention to my positions I will stop this exchange now.
Modifié par spotlessvoid, 07 octobre 2012 - 07:46 .
spotlessvoid wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
Proof that Control and Synthesis are possible:
Control
Synthesis
lol a short voiceover and some still pictures released to quiet the rage. Lol, additionally there's a ton of symbolism and control and synthesis are narrated like those events haven't occurred.
ATiBotka wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
Proof that Control and Synthesis are possible:
Control
Synthesis
lol a short voiceover and some still pictures released to quiet the rage. Lol, additionally there's a ton of symbolism and control and synthesis are narrated like those events haven't occurred.
So it's all just a dream, or what?
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 07 octobre 2012 - 07:49 .
Modifié par TheIdiocyWizard2.0, 07 octobre 2012 - 07:55 .
TheIdiocyWizard2.0 wrote...
Hey look guys, it's another thread that degraded into a "IT sucks! "No you!" thread. You guys realize its just one IT supporter you're arguing with, right? To then make the argument that all IT supporters believe that anyone who doesn't pick destroy is stupid and wrong off this one guy is just...stupid and wrong.
As to the OP, it would have to be free, and Bioware would have to say what they have been saying with all the endings, that it isn't cannon and just fanservice. But that's not going to happen.
The distinction is that I think players should be punished for decisions that are mostly practical matters, like the suicide mission, not matters extremely relevant to that character's moral, ideological, and ethical stances. In a linear game, I wouldn't mind if Bioware was trying to drive home some moral point. But this is not a linear game with a set character, and I don't like the idea of a game that lets me build a character over three games relatively consitently only to tell me at the 11th hour that this character's veiwpoint has been such that he was screwed from the start. If a character can't accept obvious reality (refuse) that's another thing. MAYBE I'd accept something like this if it had been consistent throughout the games.BatmanTurian wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Its astonishing how many times you seem to think I want failure to be impossible.spotlessvoid wrote...
" Do not punish me for having a different idea of what's best for the galaxy than you happen to have."
What a child like view of the world, no offense. Every decision is right is so cliche and Hollywood cheesy. Failure should always be an option. Especially in a narrative rich game aimed at adults
If you aren't actually going to pay attention to my positions I will stop this exchange now.
Didn't you say earlier that you'd rather all the endings be equally valid good endings and validate player choices, not punish them? I mean besides refuse, because refuse is just silly obviously.
Modifié par Lord Aesir, 07 octobre 2012 - 07:59 .
All other things aside.spotlessvoid wrote...
Saren and TIM didn't think they were indoctrinated, why would Shepard m
And honestly, I don't take EC as anything but a way to quiet the fans long enough timplement their dlc plan. Why would they do the reveal before the other dlc? It's the literalist who were tossed a bone to quiet then down. IT will get the real ending dlc. Mark my words
Lord Aesir wrote...
All other things aside.spotlessvoid wrote...
Saren and TIM didn't think they were indoctrinated, why would Shepard m
And honestly, I don't take EC as anything but a way to quiet the fans long enough timplement their dlc plan. Why would they do the reveal before the other dlc? It's the literalist who were tossed a bone to quiet then down. IT will get the real ending dlc. Mark my words
I don't think they'd spend resources on something they already plan to retcon.
Lord Aesir wrote...
The distinction is that I think players should be punished for decisions that are mostly practical matters, like the suicide mission, not matters extremely relevant to that character's moral, ideological, and ethical stances. In a linear game, I wouldn't mind if Bioware was trying to drive home some moral point. But this is not a linear game with a set character, and I don't like the idea of a game that lets me build a character over three games relatively consitently only to tell me at the 11th hour that this character's veiwpoint has been such that he was screwed from the start. If a character can't accept obvious reality (refuse) that's another thing. MAYBE I'd accept something like this if it had been consistent throughout the games.BatmanTurian wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Its astonishing how many times you seem to think I want failure to be impossible.spotlessvoid wrote...
" Do not punish me for having a different idea of what's best for the galaxy than you happen to have."
What a child like view of the world, no offense. Every decision is right is so cliche and Hollywood cheesy. Failure should always be an option. Especially in a narrative rich game aimed at adults
If you aren't actually going to pay attention to my positions I will stop this exchange now.
Didn't you say earlier that you'd rather all the endings be equally valid good endings and validate player choices, not punish them? I mean besides refuse, because refuse is just silly obviously.
As I've said before, the IT to me is like having whether Shepard lives or dies based entirely off of the decision whether or not to destroy or keep the base. It's a matter of what you're willing to sacrifice and who you trust.
I'm not opposed to failure endings, I'd just like there to be a range of success endings rather than just one narrow path.
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 07 octobre 2012 - 08:06 .
And do all the animations including the full CGI additions and calling back all the voice actors to do the many variations of the beam run scene? Not to mention all the chunks of those additional scenes that were full motion animation. It wasn't just a slifeshow. Those things aren't cheap. Otherwise we would have gotten all the war assets appearing in CGI cinematic intead of only some of them.spotlessvoid wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
All other things aside.spotlessvoid wrote...
Saren and TIM didn't think they were indoctrinated, why would Shepard m
And honestly, I don't take EC as anything but a way to quiet the fans long enough timplement their dlc plan. Why would they do the reveal before the other dlc? It's the literalist who were tossed a bone to quiet then down. IT will get the real ending dlc. Mark my words
I don't think they'd spend resources on something they already plan to retcon.
what kind of resources? How hard is it to write a short voice over and do some still pics? And they only did because of all the outrage of people who didnt get it.
Modifié par Maxster_, 07 octobre 2012 - 08:13 .
Maxster_ wrote...
Ah yes, "Indoctrination theory". Fanfiction, created by frustrated fans over nonsensical and lore-butchering ME3 plot, to praise EAWare for something, they do not deserve. We have dismissed that claim.
IT is never been alive, so it is not technically dead. It is just a nonsense, created to headcanon other nonsense.
I can like tragedies. Actually all the current endings are a bit tragic when it comes down to it.BatmanTurian wrote...
Well, the difference here, is that ME2 is the middle of a trilogy. ME3 is the ending of Shepard's story. So it's perfectly plausible that Shepard could fark up at the last minute and make a bad last-minute decision. Those kinds of stories are called tragedies. That said, I could see how you might feel disinfranchised if that ended up being the case.
Modifié par Lord Aesir, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:14 .
Modifié par N7_Prothean95, 07 octobre 2012 - 08:47 .
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Maxster_ wrote...
Ah yes, "Indoctrination theory". Fanfiction, created by frustrated fans over nonsensical and lore-butchering ME3 plot, to praise EAWare for something, they do not deserve. We have dismissed that claim.
IT is never been alive, so it is not technically dead. It is just a nonsense, created to headcanon other nonsense.
Modifié par magnetite, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:05 .
Seival wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Only the first IT thread was closed for going off-topic. Chris Priestly closed the rest because they were becoming to big (2000+ pages).
No, no, no. Each large "IT" thread was closed for off-topic. The current one even has an official warning/reminder to stay on topic...
...Any way, talking about "IT" as about some possible DLC is just pointless. So the thread about "such DLC cost" is also completely pointless.
Ok, this thread is now 2222 pages. You are welcome to continue to discuss the IT theory, but this thread is closed for length. Please restart if needed.*
Modifié par byne, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:05 .
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