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[Monica21]

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

[Nashimura]

My tolerance to whining must be pretty high, people have called Carth, Sky, Kaiden, Alistair and Anders whiny but honestly it never bothered me much with any of them - when ever they do whine its normally over legit stuff where it would bother me more if they didnt have an emotional reaction. Apart from Carth...he whined about everything, i found it hilarious more than annoying though.

In game i most of my characters did not like Anders...some booted him for killing/Nearly Killing the girl, most killed him at the end, i dont want to like everyone...ingame. I want some i clash with....it all adds to the game for me. 

Modifié par Nashimura, 07 octobre 2012 - 11:22 .

[ledod]

Squeeze the Fish wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...
It is a big deal but the way it was done was done poorly

*Genuine curiosity* Considering all the was involved in, how would you have liked him to handle it?

Blow a hole in the  side of the gallows, instruct Isabela commandeer some ship, have a mass prison break out, proceed to engage in epic pirate-ship battles at sea, follow with Meredith(sp)/Orsino go transformers and turn into a flesh-zombie, Nessyesque seamonster with bright red lightning eyes, and conclude with the demise of the two incompetent leaders of Kirkwall.

Prologue:
Isabela commands a ship of mage-pirates, plundering Templar lyrium shipments...on land/at sea...
*plot twist*
Mages create a flying ship- WHAT?!

[Squeeze the Fish]

ledod wrote...
*snip

You win!

Modifié par Squeeze the Fish, 07 octobre 2012 - 11:26 .

[Monica21]

Vicious wrote...

Stop stroking Anders and go full rivalry on him. He is actually tolerable and far more interesting.

I never figured out how to rival Anders without expressing my hatred for mages in every convo, so I stopped toting him around with me.

[Vandicus]

ledod wrote...

Squeeze the Fish wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...
It is a big deal but the way it was done was done poorly

*Genuine curiosity* Considering all the was involved in, how would you have liked him to handle it?

Blow a hole in the  side of the gallows, instruct Isabela commandeer some ship, have a mass prison break out, proceed to engage in epic pirate-ship battles at sea, follow with Meredith(sp)/Orsino go transformers and turn into a flesh-zombie, Nessyesque seamonster with bright red lightning eyes, and conclude with the demise of the two incompetent leaders of Kirkwall.

Prologue:
Isabela commands a ship of mage-pirates, plundering Templar lyrium shipments...on land/at sea...
*plot twist*
Mages create a flying ship- WHAT?!

Except in this scenario Anders doesn't achieve his goal. In DA2's standard ending he does(and Hawke is completely unable to stop him). Now mages all across Thedas are forced to fight, as Anders intended.

[unbentbuzzkill]

personally if he comes back i'm just gonna try to kill him again

[daaaav]

Why don't I like Anders?

Because he's a terrorist...

[Melca36]

I hope he has a cameo for those of us who let him live.

[viki2011]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 Please don't bring anders back in any way. And yeah a lot of people killed him but remember that justice died and was brought back (kinda) and anders was my least favorite character since he was so whiny and annoying please don't bring him back or someone like him. This is for pro Mage characters or anti mage characters and by that I mean don't make someone like him for either side. Does anyone agree that they shouldn't bring him back

agreed. had enough of his crying and self pitting for 2 games.  btw, I always kill him. Having him over Sebastian? no way!!!

Modifié par viki2011, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:10 .

[Dhiro]

Personally, I liked DA2!Anders better than DA:A!Anders. While I don't think I want him to play a big role again (I think he's better as a symbol of change or always on the run) I wouldn't mind if we were to see him again.

[Dirgegun]

 For the love of... 
Why are you starting so many threads like this? 

David Gaider has said it would be uninteresting to write something they've already done, so I think it's safe to say they won't reuse ideas. Saying that, if Cole is a companion like it has been theorised, we might have a character that is arguably... something... 

Either a  spirit, a demon, or something else...

That doesn't mean he'll be the same as Anders, though.

[Dirgegun]

Rojahar wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

We should clearly remove all killing from Dragon Age, in addition to anything else that might slightly annoy or offend anyone.

Fenris completely wiped out an entire village of people just because he was ordered to, Sebastian has plans to go to war if you don't kill Anders (something that can result in the death of THOUSANDS of innocents), Isabela stealing that Qunari book leads to the death of hundreds of innocent people around Kirkwall, and Merrill's actions can lead to the complete genocide of her clan,  but nobody ever complains about those. <_<

I'm not defending Anders' actions, but I don't ignore what the other characters did either.

Modifié par Dirgegun, 08 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[SafetyShattered]

holdenagincourt wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

please don't bring him back or someone like him.

don't make someone like him for either side.

What does "someone like him" even mean?

Someone that whines a million times a day about everything at every possible time= Anders

Therefore the OP doesn't want someone that whines so much.

[CuriousArtemis]

Dhiro wrote...

Personally, I liked DA2!Anders better than DA:A!Anders. While I don't think I want him to play a big role again (I think he's better as a symbol of change or always on the run) I wouldn't mind if we were to see him again.

Same here I think DA2 Anders was lovingly written, a full-fledged character, as opposed to the shell of a character he was in DAA (understable, since it wasn't a full game).

And I'd love to bump into Anders in DA3!!

[SafetyShattered]

Dirgegun wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

We should clearly remove all killing from Dragon Age, in addition to anything else that might slightly annoy or offend anyone.

Fenris completely wiped out an entire village of people just because he was ordered to, Sebastian has plans to go to war if you don't kill Anders (something that can result in the death of THOUSANDS of innocents), Isabela stealing that Qunari book leads to the death of hundreds of innocent people around Kirkwall, and Merrill's actions can lead to the complete genocide of her clan,  but nobody ever complains about those. <_<

I'm not defending Anders' actions, but I don't ignore what the other characters did either.

Well...that's because Isabella is hot. SHES IMMUNE TO ALL NEGATIVITY!

All jokes aside I'd have to say this is probably the case because Anders personality in DA2 was so different from DAA that it didn't feel like something he would ever do. It was just so.....random. Merril, Isabella, and Sebastian all felt like(at least to me, based on their personality) that their actions were something that they'd actually do. So although I didn't like it, it didn't feel out of character for them to do what they did.

[Dirgegun]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

We should clearly remove all killing from Dragon Age, in addition to anything else that might slightly annoy or offend anyone.

Fenris completely wiped out an entire village of people just because he was ordered to, Sebastian has plans to go to war if you don't kill Anders (something that can result in the death of THOUSANDS of innocents), Isabela stealing that Qunari book leads to the death of hundreds of innocent people around Kirkwall, and Merrill's actions can lead to the complete genocide of her clan,  but nobody ever complains about those. <_<

I'm not defending Anders' actions, but I don't ignore what the other characters did either.

Well...that's because Isabella is hot. SHES IMMUNE TO ALL NEGATIVITY!

All jokes aside I'd have to say this is probably the case because Anders personality in DA2 was so different from DAA that it didn't feel like something he would ever do. It was just so.....random. Merril, Isabella, and Sebastian all felt like(at least to me, based on their personality) that their actions were something that they'd actually do. So although I didn't like it, it didn't feel out of character for them to do what they did.

I can understand that argument, but to me, personally, Anders wasn't that different. The makings for what he became were there, especially in his banters with Justice. He started selfish, only thinking about his own safety, but as the banters with him and Justice continued I noticed there were... certain seeds sown.

[Dhiro]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

We should clearly remove all killing from Dragon Age, in addition to anything else that might slightly annoy or offend anyone.

Fenris completely wiped out an entire village of people just because he was ordered to, Sebastian has plans to go to war if you don't kill Anders (something that can result in the death of THOUSANDS of innocents), Isabela stealing that Qunari book leads to the death of hundreds of innocent people around Kirkwall, and Merrill's actions can lead to the complete genocide of her clan,  but nobody ever complains about those. <_<

I'm not defending Anders' actions, but I don't ignore what the other characters did either.

Well...that's because Isabella is hot. SHES IMMUNE TO ALL NEGATIVITY!

All jokes aside I'd have to say this is probably the case because Anders personality in DA2 was so different from DAA that it didn't feel like something he would ever do. It was just so.....random. Merril, Isabella, and Sebastian all felt like(at least to me, based on their personality) that their actions were something that they'd actually do. So although I didn't like it, it didn't feel out of character for them to do what they did.

Isabela is not, in fact, immune to all negativity, as anyone can notice quickly if they pay attention to how the BSN attacks her sexuality.

[Dirgegun]

Dhiro wrote...

Shadowfang12 wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

We should clearly remove all killing from Dragon Age, in addition to anything else that might slightly annoy or offend anyone.

Fenris completely wiped out an entire village of people just because he was ordered to, Sebastian has plans to go to war if you don't kill Anders (something that can result in the death of THOUSANDS of innocents), Isabela stealing that Qunari book leads to the death of hundreds of innocent people around Kirkwall, and Merrill's actions can lead to the complete genocide of her clan,  but nobody ever complains about those. <_<

I'm not defending Anders' actions, but I don't ignore what the other characters did either.

Well...that's because Isabella is hot. SHES IMMUNE TO ALL NEGATIVITY!

All jokes aside I'd have to say this is probably the case because Anders personality in DA2 was so different from DAA that it didn't feel like something he would ever do. It was just so.....random. Merril, Isabella, and Sebastian all felt like(at least to me, based on their personality) that their actions were something that they'd actually do. So although I didn't like it, it didn't feel out of character for them to do what they did.

Isabela is not, in fact, immune to all negativity, as anyone can notice quickly if they pay attention to how the BSN attacks her sexuality.

Which... says more about them than Isabela, to be honest. 

[unbentbuzzkill]

I personally don't have a problem with isabella's sexuality she is a riavani after all.

[SafetyShattered]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

I personally don't have a problem with isabella's sexuality she is a riavani after all.

So true....so very true.

[Monica21]

Dirgegun wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

We should clearly remove all killing from Dragon Age, in addition to anything else that might slightly annoy or offend anyone.

Fenris completely wiped out an entire village of people just because he was ordered to, Sebastian has plans to go to war if you don't kill Anders (something that can result in the death of THOUSANDS of innocents), Isabela stealing that Qunari book leads to the death of hundreds of innocent people around Kirkwall, and Merrill's actions can lead to the complete genocide of her clan,  but nobody ever complains about those. <_<

I'm not defending Anders' actions, but I don't ignore what the other characters did either.

There is a very big difference between people dying as a result of wars or lack or foreknowledge and what terrorism actually is. Terrorism is coercion into violence by fear of violence. Anders' intention was to start a mage/templar war. He intended to make people choose sides and does tell you this.

This isn't a village that Fenris destroyed because he was a slave. It's not Sebastian making a threat that even he doesn't know if he can make good on. (He has to take back Starkhaven before he can go to war against Kirkwall.) This isn't an accident by Isabela that she didn't know would lead to the deaths of people in the city.

This is deliberately sowing destruction, fear, and death in order to reap more destruction, fear, and death. That's the difference between Anders' actions and everyone else's. And it's also just bad storytelling. Full disclosure: I've had my fill of buildings blowing up just because somebody on the fringe can't think of a better way to make a point. Nothing is gained by it.

Modifié par Monica21, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:16 .

[Dhiro]

Monica21 wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

We should clearly remove all killing from Dragon Age, in addition to anything else that might slightly annoy or offend anyone.

Fenris completely wiped out an entire village of people just because he was ordered to, Sebastian has plans to go to war if you don't kill Anders (something that can result in the death of THOUSANDS of innocents), Isabela stealing that Qunari book leads to the death of hundreds of innocent people around Kirkwall, and Merrill's actions can lead to the complete genocide of her clan,  but nobody ever complains about those. <_<

I'm not defending Anders' actions, but I don't ignore what the other characters did either.

There is a very big difference between people dying as a result of wars or lack or foreknowledge and what terrorism actually is. Terrorism is coercion into violence by fear of violence. Anders' intention was to start a mage/templar war. He intended to make people choose sides and does tell you this.

This isn't a village that Fenris destroyed because he was a slave. It's not Sebastian making a threat that even he doesn't know if he can make good on. (He has to take back Starkhaven before he can go to war against Kirkwall.) This isn't an accident by Isabela that she didn't know would lead to the deaths of people in the city.

This is deliberately sowing destruction, fear, and death in order to reap more destruction, fear, and death. That's the difference between Anders' actions and everyone else's. And it's also just bad storytelling. Full disclosure: I've had my fill of buildings blowing up just because somebody on the fringe can't think of a better way to make a point. Nothing is gained by it.

I understand what you mean, but I'm not sure how that falls under bad storytelling.

[Dirgegun]

Monica21 wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

We should clearly remove all killing from Dragon Age, in addition to anything else that might slightly annoy or offend anyone.

Fenris completely wiped out an entire village of people just because he was ordered to, Sebastian has plans to go to war if you don't kill Anders (something that can result in the death of THOUSANDS of innocents), Isabela stealing that Qunari book leads to the death of hundreds of innocent people around Kirkwall, and Merrill's actions can lead to the complete genocide of her clan,  but nobody ever complains about those. <_<

I'm not defending Anders' actions, but I don't ignore what the other characters did either.

There is a very big difference between people dying as a result of wars or lack or foreknowledge and what terrorism actually is. Terrorism is coercion into violence by fear of violence. Anders' intention was to start a mage/templar war. He intended to make people choose sides and does tell you this.

This isn't a village that Fenris destroyed because he was a slave. It's not Sebastian making a threat that even he doesn't know if he can make good on. (He has to take back Starkhaven before he can go to war against Kirkwall.) This isn't an accident by Isabela that she didn't know would lead to the deaths of people in the city.

This is deliberately sowing destruction, fear, and death in order to reap more destruction, fear, and death. That's the difference between Anders' actions and everyone else's. And it's also just bad storytelling. Full disclosure: I've had my fill of buildings blowing up just because somebody on the fringe can't think of a better way to make a point. Nothing is gained by it.

I know what terroism is, thankyou, but what I meant is that I hear absolutely no one else calling murderer on the others. Anders is a little different, yes, but that doesn't mean the other characters are innocent little children that shouldn't be questioned on what they have done.

Common sense suggests that Isabela should've KNOWN what taking the book would have done. Just as Sebastain should KNOW what damage can come from going to war with an entire country over one man's actions, especially when a country-to-country conflict wasn't the intention behind the attack and his country has nothing to do with it.

Do I say we shouldn't judge Anders on what he did? No, I don't. But I don't think the other characters should get away with their bollocks scott free, either. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:24 .