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[shedevil3001]

if anders never comes back, then neither should other companions, i'm sorry but not all of us killed him, and just to point out i'm sure everyone feels their choices are just as important as others, anders may have done a bad thing, but even if he hadnt the mages would have rebelled regardless, and isabela not only caused an attack on kirkwall but also because of her actions a *viacount* (not sure if thats spelt right) lost his son and was also beheaded, which is equally as bad as what anders did, sebastian threw a tantrum and threatened to burn kirkwall to the ground in order to kill anders, not to mention the other people he hires hawke to kill for revenge (those who killed his family) which is also wrong, then theres fenris who goes round leaving trails of bodies, and sorry but punching a fist through peoples chests is just as bad, my point been none of the companions are free of guilt for some bad actions, so if 1 shouldnt return then none should, on some pt i sent anders away and handed isabela to the qunari, and gave fenris to danarius, and other pt i helped them all, i dont want my choices handwaved any more than others want theirs handwaved

[upsettingshorts]

I wonder if you guys understand how a hate thread basically comes off as an endorsement of the character's success, right?

Characters aren't exclusively written to be like-able, charming ones who everyone wants to invite over for drinks. They're written to generate a reaction. A polarizing character with devoted fans and breathlessly bitter enemies is a highly successful one. The fact threads like this exist as well as those professing their love of Anders do is evidence of his being one of the more successful characters. I bet the writers would love to be able to reproduce the kind of response he got in future characters.

The worst thing that could happen is for a character to generate no reaction, no feedback, no energy, and no passion.

[Shevy]

No Anders and Fenris characters for DA III would be my preference. I'm not saying every companion should be a tough bad-ass, but those two whiny guys were unbearable. Especially being kind of forced to use Anders not being a mage yourself and Bethany not being around. I got it you don't like the Chantry, the Circle of Magi and the Templers, don't annoy me every five seconds!

[Dirgegun]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I wonder if you guys understand how a hate thread basically comes off as an endorsement of the character's success, right?

Characters aren't exclusively written to be like-able, charming ones who everyone wants to invite over for drinks. They're written to generate a reaction. A polarizing character with devoted fans and breathlessly bitter enemies is a highly successful one. The fact threads like this exist as well as those professing their love of Anders do is evidence of his being one of the more successful characters. I bet the writers would love to be able to reproduce the kind of response he got in future characters.

The worst thing that could happen is for a character to generate no reaction, no feedback, no energy, and no passion.

Ah, this is very, very true and something I've been told many times in some of my writing courses. The mark of a successful character is definitely passion, whether it's love or hate. 

[Gileadan]

I don't think that being polarizing is a hallmark of great character writing. It means it was successful with some people and failed for others.

There have been characters who would be somewhere between annoying and plain unlikeable (at least in certain aspects) in video games before - Morrigan in DA:O, Bishop in NWN 2, Canderous Ordo in KotOR, etc. Yet you don't find many outright hate threads about them.

What truly annoys me about Anders is not just his personality, it's the fact that it's so hard to get rid of him. If I could have taken his deep roads map and would have never heard from him again, he would have received all the apathy he deserves from me. But no, he somehow leaves his manifesto in my house. Quests pop up in my journal that tell me to go talk to him. No other mages with healing spells seemed to be available either. If you take your sibling to the deep roads without Anders in the group, aw damn!

I know he's an abomination, and I can't do anything about it. "We know you are associating with a known apostate." ...where was my option to say "You may have heard this before, but I had no choice"?

Writers are welcome to create annoying gits as companions. As long as I can avoid them without penalties. But putting them into my party (you have to pick him up or you can't advance the story) and then giving them plot armor until their big f-up scene is bad. And when people get pissed about that, it doesn't mean that said character was "successful".

I played my first run of DA2 as a mage, so it was no problem (but I would have still preferred to not have him around).

Much later, I started a new game as a warrior.
Got to Kirkwall.
Realized I would need Anders to heal my party.
Alt-F4.

[NRieh]

So far. Top ways to troll DA community:
1. Make Cullen Hate thread
2. Make S-S related thread
3. Make pro or anti sex scenes thread
.....
I'm sorry to say that, OP, but "Make Anders Hate thread" is out of list for quite a long time, I'm afraid...

[ledod]

tgail73 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

 Please don't bring anders back in any way. And yeah a lot of people killed him but remember that justice died and was brought back (kinda) and anders was my least favorite character since he was so whiny and annoying please don't bring him back or someone like him. This is for pro Mage characters or anti mage characters and by that I mean don't make someone like him for either side. Does anyone agree that they shouldn't bring him back

Another thread about a character you don't like? Really? Just my opinion of course, but it sounds like you are just trying to start up trouble. 

Trouble's my middle name: Anders smells like rank cheese.

[TK514]

I have yet to have a playthrough where my murder knife doesn't make sweet sweet love to Anders' tender flesh at the end. The only way he'll ever make it out of DA2 alive is if I discover that I can tranquil him in DA3. The murder knife was the only valid option at the time, but I still feel that death was too easy for him. Making him tranquil and setting him up as a servant of the Templars, making weapons to kill his fellow mages, would be just right when it comes to punishment.

In conversation, I generally find that whichever choice is closest to 'Shut your filthy abomination mouth' is the best one to use when talking to him.

[Tootles FTW]

Monica21 wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

People with opinions and personalities that bother you exist in real-life and I'm sorry to say they'll exist in various forms of fiction, too.

I don't dislike Anders just because of obscure personality conflicts. I dislike Anders because he's a mass murdering terrorist.

The OP, who I was addressing, stated that Anders shouldn't be brought back because he was "annoying and whiney".  I didn't infer from that description that they were describing his mass murdering terrorist actions.

In my canon playthrough he's dead.  I care nothing about the Chantry, so his 'make it go boom' plot twist only ended up swaying my decision insofar as I felt I (as a mage) had to stand up for the templars to show that all mages are not like Anders.  In a way, he martyred both himself and my PC, and it was a theme that I really enjoyed headcanoning.  So Anders might not show up in my DA3 playthrough, but I loved how his character arc ended up effecting my original plan (to side with the mages).

On a side-note, I find his romance to be very uncomfortable in ACT 3, as he comes off as emotionally manipulative.  I stick with Fenris 99% of the time because of this.

[macrocarl]

rivalry Anders for the win!

[Aolbain]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 Please don't bring anders back in any way. And yeah a lot of people killed him but remember that justice died and was brought back (kinda) and anders was my least favorite character since he was so whiny and annoying please don't bring him back or someone like him. This is for pro Mage characters or anti mage characters and by that I mean don't make someone like him for either side. Does anyone agree that they shouldn't bring him back

Where there any companion that you liked?

Modifié par Aolbain, 08 octobre 2012 - 03:05 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I killed him and I don't ever want to see him or Justice ever again. It bugged me tons when Anders showed up in 2 regardless of what choices people made in Awakenings. And I loved how they rewrote Justice raking up residence in him. Wonderful. *sarcasm*

I hated Anders in 2. Hated him. I liked him in Awakenings but he was ruined, in my opinion, in 2. Please stop bringing back characters (like Leliana) who are supposed to be dead.

Also, I don't want to see something stupidly ridiculous happen like Justice jumped into Merrill or some other horrible idea.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 08 octobre 2012 - 03:10 .

[upsettingshorts]

Shevy_001 wrote...

No Anders and Fenris characters for DA III would be my preference. I'm not saying every companion should be a tough bad-ass, but those two whiny guys were unbearable. 

Sigh.

If Martin Luther King Jr. was a BioWare companion, the forums would never stop complaining about how he was always "whining" about equal rights for blacks.  

I genuinely hope the writers never take any of this seriously. 

[BouncyFrag]

DA2 is a game where I couldn't stand a majority of the companions and I've been playing games for ages. Anders and Fenris were the most guilty of this. Let's face it, DA2's companions weren't that good and keeping them back in only that game is fine by me.

[Todd23]

Bring back Anders! Even... no, especially if we killed him.

[BouncyFrag]

Todd23 wrote...

Bring back Anders! Even... no, especially if we killed him.

Best not anger the all-powerful 'murder knife.' It expects those who are given into its care remain dead, lest it turn its ire and retribution towards us.

[Shevy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Shevy_001 wrote...

No Anders and Fenris characters for DA III would be my preference. I'm not saying every companion should be a tough bad-ass, but those two whiny guys were unbearable. 

Sigh.

If Martin Luther King Jr. was a BioWare companion, the forums would never stop complaining about how he was always "whining" about equal rights for blacks.  

I genuinely hope the writers never take any of this seriously. 

Problems make characters interesting, but they went too far with those two, imo. When talking with them or having them in the group (party banter), especially Anders,  it seems like they don't have any other topics to talk about.

And that's something which isn't fun for me.
Please feel free to disagree, but being a little less sniffy would fit you.

[PinkDiamondstl]

Anders is't going anywhere. He's a big part of the story now.

[upsettingshorts]

Shevy_001 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Shevy_001 wrote...

No Anders and Fenris characters for DA III would be my preference. I'm not saying every companion should be a tough bad-ass, but those two whiny guys were unbearable. 

Sigh.

If Martin Luther King Jr. was a BioWare companion, the forums would never stop complaining about how he was always "whining" about equal rights for blacks.  

I genuinely hope the writers never take any of this seriously. 

Problems make characters interesting, but they went too far with those two, imo. When talking with them or having them in the group (party banter), especially Anders,  it seems like they don't have any other topics to talk about.

And that's something which isn't fun for me.
Please feel free to disagree, but being a little less sniffy would fit you.

I stand by my argument as it is written in its entirety.

Why should Anders have anything else to talk about?  What if he was consumed by the issue?  What if that was the whole point?

Failing that, him doing what he did in Act 3 would have hardly been as believable.  Let people disagree about whether or not Anders was "fun," but blowing up a civic building and triggering a rebellion in an act of overt terrorism was something only he could have done.  Not a neutered, watered down, laugh-a-minute, happy-go-lucky companion who could stop to appreciate anything other than the plight of mages that the BSN seems to want.

Furthermore anyone who describes characters with legitimate issues as "whiny" gets a side-eye from me forever, so deal with it.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 08 octobre 2012 - 06:42 .

[Ozida]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
A whiney little **** who does nothing but complain about EVERYTHING the entire game.

You sure you didn't mean Fenris?

Common, guys, Anders was great in role of fanatic (had decent romance story too). I actually liked the fact he stick to his beliefs.
I'd rather they don't bring back someone like Isabella, to be honest. Sure she had a pretty *face*, but story behind her was just... blah.

[Todd23]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

Bring back Anders! Even... no, especially if we killed him.

Best not anger the all-powerful 'murder knife.' It expects those who are given into its care remain dead, lest it turn its ire and retribution towards us.

Murder Knife boss battle for DA3!

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