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[SMBTheExile]

Od3at wrote...

No one loves my spartan paladin

Been topping the scoreboards in Silver for a while now with my Paladin. Valiant plus arc pistol. 6/0/6/6/6. Excellent at range and stripping shields, deadly at close range (I now chase Phantoms rather than vice versa). I think Invaderone put a great video up about how to spec him. You're almost a Vanguard/Engineer cross, he's fantastic.

Modifié par SMBTheExile, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:07 .

[-JP-]

I very seldom kick players unless they're leeching, missile glitching or being obnoxious. Never understood why people do, though I suppose platinum might be different (almost exlusively play gold).

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

Neizd wrote...

I was wondering how many of you played support character like for example female quarian enginier that freezes enemies around for the team, making the match go easy, and then you get kicked for low exp points?

Happened today for me, when I rebuild my Quarian for a 100% support character...then rebuild it back because apparently most people don't know what it means "cooperation" and they see only "competition" who is at the top of the score board.

If you have fun playing a support character, go for it. Ignore mindless drones kicking you for not recognozing your value and add those that do to your friendslist.

[Neizd]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

There are no purely support characters. If you're not killing enemies ASAP, you're not doing the right thing by your team mates. While I don't kick people who score low (I almost never kick at all), claiming the use of a 'support' character as an excuse for low scoring is not acceptable.

Yeah but if you use cryo blast for others to kill enemies 2x times faster you are contributing but you don't get the score and it's better not to kill frozen enemies and instead of  freeze more of them so the match is easier. But you don't get the points while helping.

When I have my full damager quarian female engineer with build 6/6/6/5/3 with hurricane and striker  it's easy to top the score board on gold, but on platinum the enemies are more powerfull and you need to kill them QUICK or they will swarm you. Strong debuffer is important for the team to kill enemies faster.

[Eckswhyzed]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

There are no purely support characters. If you're not killing enemies ASAP, you're not doing the right thing by your team mates. While I don't kick people who score low (I almost never kick at all), claiming the use of a 'support' character as an excuse for low scoring is not acceptable.

This. Supporting the team is great. Supporting the team while also dealing out damage is better.

@OP - you have some decent guns. The Carnifex, Mattock and Hurricane can certainly deal out a lot of damage. Why not use them and help deal damage while also playing 'support'?

[hostaman]

Play exactly as you want. You would always be welcome in my games. I often find myself playing as the cloaked medic, and you don't get many points for that.

Stay away from the "kickers" they're idiots.

[Chealec]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Neizd wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

There are no purely support characters. If you're not killing enemies ASAP, you're not doing the right thing by your team mates. While I don't kick people who score low (I almost never kick at all), claiming the use of a 'support' character as an excuse for low scoring is not acceptable.

Yeah but if you use cryo blast for others to kill enemies 2x times faster you are contributing but you don't get the score and it's better not to kill frozen enemies and instead of  freeze more of them so the match is easier. But you don't get the points while helping.

When I have my full damager quarian female engineer with build 6/6/6/5/3 with hurricane and striker  it's easy to top the score board on gold, but on platinum the enemies are more powerfull and you need to kill them QUICK or they will swarm you. Strong debuffer is important for the team to kill enemies faster.

 

But if you froze them AND shot them, they would die twice as fast again and you would get tons of points.

Yeah - since what else are you going to be doing whilst your powers are in CD?

[Neizd]

Chealec wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Neizd wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

There are no purely support characters. If you're not killing enemies ASAP, you're not doing the right thing by your team mates. While I don't kick people who score low (I almost never kick at all), claiming the use of a 'support' character as an excuse for low scoring is not acceptable.

Yeah but if you use cryo blast for others to kill enemies 2x times faster you are contributing but you don't get the score and it's better not to kill frozen enemies and instead of  freeze more of them so the match is easier. But you don't get the points while helping.

When I have my full damager quarian female engineer with build 6/6/6/5/3 with hurricane and striker  it's easy to top the score board on gold, but on platinum the enemies are more powerfull and you need to kill them QUICK or they will swarm you. Strong debuffer is important for the team to kill enemies faster.

 

But if you froze them AND shot them, they would die twice as fast again and you would get tons of points.

Yeah - since what else are you going to be doing whilst your powers are in CD?

Problem is Cryo with omni captors makes its cooldown so fast that you have it ready before you can aim and shot. Carnifex or Mattock are fast but 1 bullet is not enough to shoot and kill enemies on gold or platinum.

Modifié par Neizd, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:29 .

[dzero]

You can't just play support in this game. You can play support whilst killing things, that's fine, but you can't just support. And usually it's better to just kill all the things.

Modifié par dzero, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[Chealec]

Neizd wrote...

Chealec wrote...
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Yeah - since what else are you going to be doing whilst your powers are in CD?

Problem is Cryo with omni captors makes its cooldown so fast that you have it ready before you can aim and shot. Carnifex or Mattock are fast but 1 bullet is not enough to shoot and kill enemies on gold or platinum.

Scorpion? Though, since Incinerate was fixed I tend to use Cryo ammo on the Scorion and shoot > burn ... I rarely use Cryo Blast unless I want to freeze a mob (radius evo).

[Neizd]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Neizd wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Neizd wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

There are no purely support characters. If you're not killing enemies ASAP, you're not doing the right thing by your team mates. While I don't kick people who score low (I almost never kick at all), claiming the use of a 'support' character as an excuse for low scoring is not acceptable.

Yeah but if you use cryo blast for others to kill enemies 2x times faster you are contributing but you don't get the score and it's better not to kill frozen enemies and instead of  freeze more of them so the match is easier. But you don't get the points while helping.

When I have my full damager quarian female engineer with build 6/6/6/5/3 with hurricane and striker  it's easy to top the score board on gold, but on platinum the enemies are more powerfull and you need to kill them QUICK or they will swarm you. Strong debuffer is important for the team to kill enemies faster.

 

But if you froze them AND shot them, they would die twice as fast again and you would get tons of points.

Yeah - since what else are you going to be doing whilst your powers are in CD?

Problem is Cryo with omni captors makes its cooldown so fast that you have it ready before you can aim and shot. Carnifex or Mattock are fast but 1 bullet is not enough to shoot and kill enemies on gold or platinum.

 

Unacceptable. If all you do the ENTIRE match is spam Cryo Blast every second, you're not really helping your team. You're just making a whole bunch of beeping noises.

Good players will debuff and kill stuff efficiently. 

Tell it to the vanguards that spam charge and get themselves killed because the enemies were too strong and not debuffed fast enought. The match I was kicked from was with three Vanguards, so debuffing and spaming cryo was only option unles those idiots get themselvs killed.

[banans_huligans]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Unacceptable. If all you do the ENTIRE match is spam Cryo Blast every second, you're not really helping your team. You're just making a whole bunch of beeping noises.

Good players will debuff and kill stuff efficiently. 

^This

Claiming to play pure support is a lie!  There are so many powerfull low-weight weapons so if want to go 200% (or close to 200%) cooldown you can still deal out nice dmg with weapons in between your cooldowns

[ryoldschool]

I still have a problem with the whole scoreboard thing - its only a reliable indicator of game performance when the players have huge skill differences. There is a premium awarded for the killing shots and so it does not always reflect the player's contribution during a match.


If I am playing with friends ( and it seems like most of them are better than me ) I can bring my best loadout with full consumables and still finish fourth. I am ok with that because I know we are going to win the match and I will play it safe by looking for lurking enemies at our back, saving missiles only for objective rounds ( actually I always save the missiles for objective rounds especially if playing with randoms ).

When playing with randoms I don't vote to kick somebody after the match unless they are really horrible and we wiped - by really horrible meaning that they died a lot, did not have gels or rockets and scored less than 30,000 in a Gold match.

[Neizd]

ryoldschool wrote...

I still have a problem with the whole scoreboard thing - its only a reliable indicator of game performance when the players have huge skill differences. There is a premium awarded for the killing shots and so it does not always reflect the player's contribution during a match.


If I am playing with friends ( and it seems like most of them are better than me ) I can bring my best loadout with full consumables and still finish fourth. I am ok with that because I know we are going to win the match and I will play it safe by looking for lurking enemies at our back, saving missiles only for objective rounds ( actually I always save the missiles for objective rounds especially if playing with randoms ).

When playing with randoms I don't vote to kick somebody after the match unless they are really horrible and we wiped - by really horrible meaning that they died a lot, did not have gels or rockets and scored less than 30,000 in a Gold match.

^This.

Scoreboard is a bad idea. What should count is not who killed the most enemies spaming charge or biotic blasts. It should be about finishing the game on full extraction and while doing so it should be about contributing in every way possible be it full support for damagers and tanks or revieving them while playing inflirtator. Especially now that we have N7 characters. I don't use them but most people do and my friend was kicked for not using one :/

[NuclearTech76]

I'm sorry but support characters are generally an excuse.

Killing everything is more support than any thing else. Don't get me wrong the scoreboard isn't that important but it should be at least close if you're pulling your weight.

[PreGy]

Chealec wrote...

polymphus wrote...

It's why I've slowly stopped playing Salarian Engineer- always bottom of the scoreboard but it doesn't matter, because I know I'm contributing. I still get kicked fairly often afterwards. I like to think they regret that the second my decoy aint there to tie up a gaggle of primes.

Try it with a Viper + Disruptor Ammo...

Incinerate > shoot > shoot > shoot > incinerate > shoot > shoot > shoot > incinerate > reload

That's a whole tonne of Tech Bursts right there; there is no real reason why you can't top the scoreboard with an SE.

I go with Talon and either Disruptor or Incinerare Ammo (dat Fire Explosions!), and yes, it works great (no fitness build, since I already have the decoy).

It's actually my favourite tech power class, over all against geth.

[Ziegrif]

Support = You don't die and revive everyone + Detonate every single Primer you can see. You also provide fire support with the biggest gun you can justify for it. Bat Sent works real well for this purpose. And you still end up racking a ton of kills.
Quarian Engineer can still take a Raider X with her it doesn't weight that much.
Also Cryo + Incinerate + Raider jack hammering dat Atlas = Oh yeah.~

[cgj]

there are no such a thing as support only character in this game, you can't justify low score with 'i was the support character'
though QFI shouldn't feel bad if she's outscored by Mr GI-piranha

[Machazareel]

Chealec wrote...

polymphus wrote...

It's why I've slowly stopped playing Salarian Engineer- always bottom of the scoreboard but it doesn't matter, because I know I'm contributing. I still get kicked fairly often afterwards. I like to think they regret that the second my decoy aint there to tie up a gaggle of primes.

Try it with a Viper + Disruptor Ammo...

Incinerate > shoot > shoot > shoot > incinerate > shoot > shoot > shoot > incinerate > reload

That's a whole tonne of Tech Bursts right there; there is no real reason why you can't top the scoreboard with an SE.

The Talon is also great at landing weapon powers, as mentioned above. If all the pellets land, and they often do, then it's almost guaranteed.

Modifié par Machazareel, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:06 .

[Uh Cold]

Your just joking yourself if you think there are support classes, the closest thing to support is sync playstyles that compliment each others strengths while helping with there weakness.
Players that lack understanding making excuses for themselves again, yawn.

[Eriseley]

I have only been kicked once, for not being German.

[Frozen Mind]

Supportive play style has only sense, when you have someone using your help. Remember, the more players, the more enemies, so we're talking about effectiveness (the more damage, the better score... ofc for killing is more experience, so "killstealers" could be dominating - what we will see in new DLC ). Real support is needed during objective waves, like putting in stasis Phantoms, sabotaging/placing turret on enemy spawns, occupying harder units (leaving them with destroyed armor). Because killing is not always helping (they respawn, even at changed spawn, surrounding your team).

Last time I was using QFE on Gold (after turret/drone/decoy nerf) I was first on scoreboard.