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[Xellith]

The "geth are just machines" argument fails when we as humans are machine's based on chemical interactions.

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match. The only thing we dont know how to do currently is create life from non-life. Thats not to say there arnt people working on it.

So how would your arguement go if scientists are able to create life in a lab? As it stands all life we know of was created with random chemical reactions.

But who are you to perscribe what constitutes as life and what does not? The geth have a hive mind mentality? So that makes it invalid as a form of life? Does that mean that schitsopherenics and people with multiple personality disorder are not alive?

You know what. Im done. You are silly.

Modifié par Xellith, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:51 .

[Ned Starks Head]

Lionel Ou wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

If the Geth are dead above Rannoch you have a free pass. Well almost. EDI is still there.

Damn reaper half blood. Purify the galaxy of such filth.

This guy! This guy right here, he understands

[AresKeith]

All you humans are racists

[Jvolikas]

as another poster said, its sacrificial genocide.

[Made Nightwing]

Got to agree. You need to be able to really feel for it to be said that you have a soul. And since a robot doesn't have any of the neuro-chemical responses that trigger and are triggered by emotions, they cannot feel. If they cannot feel, they don't have a soul.

[Jadebaby]

Xilizhra wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

If the Geth are dead above Rannoch you have a free pass. Well almost. EDI is still there.

Yes, but such requires ridiculous incompetence...

I played on action mode.

[Xilizhra]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

If the Geth are dead above Rannoch you have a free pass. Well almost. EDI is still there.

Yes, but such requires ridiculous incompetence...

I played on action mode.

My point exactly.

[MegaSovereign]

You guys are applying organic morals to synthetics.

The only ones who are racist are the ones who compare genocide of an organic race with that of a synthetic one.

[Xilizhra]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You guys are applying organic morals to synthetics.

The only ones who are racist are the ones who compare genocide of an organic race with that of a synthetic one.

Death is bad for them both. I don't think we need to worry that much about differences of perception.

[AresKeith]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You guys are applying organic morals to synthetics.

The only ones who are racist are the ones who compare genocide of an organic race with that of a synthetic one.

A race is a race, no matter what they are

[Made Nightwing]

Xellith wrote...

The "geth are just machines" argument fails when we as humans are machine's based on chemical interactions.

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match. The only thing we dont know how to do currently is create life from non-life. Thats not to say there arnt people working on it.

So how would your arguement go if scientists are able to create life in a lab? As it stands all life we know of was created with random chemical reactions.

But who are you to perscribe what constitutes as life and what does not? The geth have a hive mind mentality? So that makes it invalid as a form of life? Does that mean that schitsopherenics and people with multiple personality disorder are not alive?

You know what. Im done. You are silly.

Except that 'organics are just machines' argument has been proven false. We are not programmed, nor are we 'constructed'. Even a cloned human would still have a biological and genetically random personality and inward diversity that makes them 'alive. Please reconsider your faulty post-modern philosophy.

[Made Nightwing]

AresKeith wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

You guys are applying organic morals to synthetics.

The only ones who are racist are the ones who compare genocide of an organic race with that of a synthetic one.

A race is a race, no matter what they are

Except the geth are no more a race than a particularly shiny copy of Windows 7.

[Xilizhra]

Except that 'organics are just machines' argument has been proven false. We are not programmed, nor are we 'constructed'. Even a cloned human would still have a biological and genetically random personality and inward diversity that makes them 'alive. Please reconsider your faulty post-modern philosophy.

Not random, we just don't have the tools for measuring the creation of such things yet. Give it time. Someday, programming organics will be able to be done deliberately.

[Jadebaby]

Xellith wrote...

The "geth are just machines" argument fails when we as humans are machine's based on chemical interactions.

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match. The only thing we dont know how to do currently is create life from non-life. Thats not to say there arnt people working on it.

So how would your arguement go if scientists are able to create life in a lab? As it stands all life we know of was created with random chemical reactions.

But who are you to perscribe what constitutes as life and what does not? The geth have a hive mind mentality? So that makes it invalid as a form of life? Does that mean that schitsopherenics and people with multiple personality disorder are not alive?

You know what. Im done. You are silly.

That's actually incorrect.

If we go to the very routes of life. It is happening all the time and has been for centuries. How you might ask? 

Flora cultivating. We have been experimenting with different species of plants and flowers for centuries, creating hybrids of two or amazingly unique ones from scratch. The the variables being climate, soil and seeds rather than more scientific apparatus' that would be required for fauna cultivation. But we have started cloning animals in our modern day so I guess that's a step in the right direction too. While the flora isn't sentient by any means, it's still creating life as plants and flowers are living things.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:00 .

[dreamgazer]

Xellith wrote...

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match.

Except for the all-important one: full brain and/or head transplants.

We can't remove our consciousness and toss it into another vessel.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match.

Except for the all-important one: full brain and/or head transplants.

We can't remove our consciousness and toss it into another vessel.

The same actually goes for an AI when you remove their blue box or something like that

[Xellith]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Xellith wrote...

The "geth are just machines" argument fails when we as humans are machine's based on chemical interactions.

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match. The only thing we dont know how to do currently is create life from non-life. Thats not to say there arnt people working on it.

So how would your arguement go if scientists are able to create life in a lab? As it stands all life we know of was created with random chemical reactions.

But who are you to perscribe what constitutes as life and what does not? The geth have a hive mind mentality? So that makes it invalid as a form of life? Does that mean that schitsopherenics and people with multiple personality disorder are not alive?

You know what. Im done. You are silly.

Except that 'organics are just machines' argument has been proven false. We are not programmed, nor are we 'constructed'. Even a cloned human would still have a biological and genetically random personality and inward diversity that makes them 'alive. Please reconsider your faulty post-modern philosophy.

Define "programmed".  And we are "constructed".  Matter from one source is reconfigured into cells during pregnancy.  Hence why people arnt born fully grown.

The whole personality thing is wrong too.  The geth are a product of their experiences just as any human is.  Hence why Legion is good and VI boy is an ****.

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

In order to claim that the Geth do not have a soul, you have to first define what a soul is.
In order to claim they are not alive, you have to define what life is.
Until then you have no basis for an argument.

Modifié par TheIdiocyWizard2.0, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:05 .

[Almostfaceman]

Geth - they think therefore they are.

[Xellith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match.

Except for the all-important one: full brain and/or head transplants.

We can't remove our consciousness and toss it into another vessel.

Yet.

Or have you forgotten that medical advances may allow for that kind of stuff in the future?  Hell compare todays medical technology to 100 years ago.

[dirty console peasant]

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match.

Except for the all-important one: full brain and/or head transplants.

We can't remove our consciousness and toss it into another vessel.

not yet we can't, but eventually....  All we are is a series of firing synapses in a specific pattern, who is to say that eventually we won't be able to take a snapshot of the brain activity, remove the brain transfer it and restart it with the same brainwaves,  I would argue that qualifies as a transplant we just can't do it yet as far as I know.  killing the geth is genocide.

Edit: damn, ninja'd:bandit:

Modifié par Shepard Cmdr, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:06 .

[Obadiah]

I thought it would be clear from my post on the previous page, but genocide does not have to involve loss of life. It is the destruction of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

Genocide can happen just by forced relocation.

[Jadebaby]

Xellith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

You can take a human organ out and put it in another human as long as the parts match.

Except for the all-important one: full brain and/or head transplants.

We can't remove our consciousness and toss it into another vessel.

Yet.

Or have you forgotten that medical advances may allow for that kind of stuff in the future?  Hell compare todays medical technology to 100 years ago.

Compare any technology to 100 years ago.

And I'm not 100% on this, but I'm going to say it anyway. I think that it's possible that after the Geth uploaded the Reaper code and gained individual sentience, they can no longer transfer each other's "brains" from one unit to another.

[dirty console peasant]

TheIdiocyWizard2.0 wrote...

In order to claim that the Geth do not have a soul, you have to first define what a soul is.
In order to claim they are not alive, you have to define what life is.
Until then you have no basis for an argument.

wow, I could not have said it better.

[dreamgazer]

Xellith wrote...

Yet.

Or have you forgotten that medical advances may allow for that kind of stuff in the future?  Hell compare todays medical technology to 100 years ago.

A lot of things are theoretically possible.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:08 .