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[AlanC9]

Yate wrote...

Even if you want to argue the geth are alive and have souls (they do not) 

You know that..... how?

We don't even know that souls exist, let alone what's got them and what doesn't.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:11 .

[Jadebaby]

AlanC9 wrote...

Yate wrote...

Even if you want to argue the geth are alive and have souls (they do not) 

You know that..... how?

Yes..

How know that...... you?

[Cutlass Jack]

Yate wrote...

Define a soul then get back to me.

No different than defining what 'life' is.

[dirty console peasant]

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Yet.

Or have you forgotten that medical advances may allow for that kind of stuff in the future?  Hell compare todays medical technology to 100 years ago.

A lot of things are theoretically possible.

yes but if you define a "soul" as just the specific pattern of brainwaves, and experiences then geth have a "soul" just of a slightly different variety.  Therefore they are alive, and destroy is genocide.  also I would like to add Virtual Aliens to this argument.  While they would not be killed directly the destructin of their AI would indirectly kill them, and yes Cerberus Daily News is canon, it was in ME2, Twitter = no, CDN =yes.

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Yate wrote...

Define a soul then get back to me.

No different than defining what 'life' is.

So does that mean that every single plant/animal has a soul?

[AlanC9]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Yes..

How know that...... you?

Jace, dear, I didn't say I knew anything. I was asking how anyone else does, which you didn't answer. Did God Himself tell you? He doesn't talk to me much, probably because I've never seen much reason to believe in Him.

[Demon560]

so what your saying Yate is that destroy was genocide, good you agree with that, so anything new or is it the same BS argument, saying life is not life.

[Obadiah]

You don't have to kill anyone to commit genocide.

[AresKeith]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Yes..

How know that...... you?

Jace, dear, I didn't say I knew anything. I was asking how anyone else does, which you didn't answer. Did God Himself tell you? He doesn't talk to me much, probably because I've never seen much reason to believe in Him.

She was actually agreeing with you comment

[thehomeworld]

If I've got to pick between destroying all the PCs so I don't have to kill a billion more people in a genocidal war then the PCs are gone. The geth act like they're alive and organics then think they are alive. If I act like I'm a very important person like a super star people will think I am one therefore they will treat me like one the geth are the same they've been studying organics so long they can mimic them very well and organics in turn don't question it too much they're willing to roll with it.

The geth don't need souls their lives like the reapers only require calculation, The reapers calculated that destroying the galaxy every 50,000 years was to their benefit and to code with their programming the geth made a calculation mimicking and mirroring organics makes organics less likely to kill them, EDI made a calculation loving joker and being in a human shell makes the crew work better and be more efficient.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:22 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

It doesn't matter whether the geth have organic brains or artificial ones. They are still self-aware and capable of creative and independent thought. Just like us. At least they are more rational. So, yes, exterminating them is genocide.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:27 .

[HiddenInWar]

Lionel Ou wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Are atheists robots?

Will robots be atheists?

 I'm speechless. 10/10 theory, would consider.

[dreamgazer]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Yate wrote...

Define a soul then get back to me.

No different than defining what 'life' is.

Ultimately accurate.

[MegaSovereign]

The important thing is that the volus live in every ending.

[Aaleel]

Destroy is collateral damage not genocide. If you built the crucible for the purpose of killing all geth, then yes, you would have committed genocide on the Geth. But the way the game played out, no.

Genocide or reapers maybe, but not Geth.

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The important thing is that the volus live in every ending.

Not in Refuse

[Jamie9]

I don't understand how there are individuals that consider synthetic life to be infinitely inferior to organic life. On what basis are you making that judgement?

Even Sovereign was less arrogant.

Modifié par Jamie9, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:50 .

[Jamie9]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The important thing is that the volus live in every ending.

Not in Refuse

In Refuse, Liara leaves the Volus Galactic Economy Plan in the time capsule.

The Volus will live on, my friend.

[Xilizhra]

Jamie9 wrote...

I don't understand how there are individuals that consider synthetic life to be infinitely inferior to organic life. On what basis are you making that judgement?

Even Sovereign was less arrogant.

Amusingly, they've become very much like the Reapers themselves.

[hukbum]

Jamie9 wrote...

I don't understand how there are individuals that consider synthetic life to be infinitely inferior to organic life. On what basis are you making that judgement?

Even Sovereign was less arrogant.

^ This

[GreyLycanTrope]

Aaleel wrote...

Destroy is collateral damage not genocide. If you built the crucible for the purpose of killing all geth, then yes, you would have committed genocide on the Geth. But the way the game played out, no.

Genocide or reapers maybe, but not Geth.

It's collateral genocide actually, you still hit the switch that killed them knowing exactly that would happend when you hit it. What you intended when you built the crucible is irrelevent, you shot that tube with full knowlegde of what would happen to the Geth as a result of you shooting the tube.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Jamie9 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The important thing is that the volus live in every ending.

Not in Refuse

In Refuse, Liara leaves the Volus Galactic Economy Plan in the time capsule.

The Volus will live on, my friend.

They live on as Volus Reapers, the true apex race.

[Cobalt2113]

TheIdiocyWizard2.0 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Yate wrote...

Define a soul then get back to me.

No different than defining what 'life' is.

So does that mean that every single plant/animal has a soul?

Not just that, every virus, bacteria, mould, fungus and lichen apparently has a soul.

[dreman9999]

The geth are alive...It's genocide.

[Aaleel]

Greylycantrope wrote...

It's collateral genocide actually, you still hit the switch that killed them knowing exactly that would happend when you hit it. What you intended when you built the crucible is irrelevent, you shot that tube with full knowlegde of what would happen to the Geth as a result of you shooting the tube.

No it's not.

Say aliens attacked the Earth tomorrow and were centralized in one place.  Then say the people of the world made a weapon that would kill them but it had a chance to wipe out whatever area it was in. 

If you use it you did not commit genocide on Germans, French, Americans or the citizens of whatever country you happened to deploy it in.  You made a sacrifice to ensure the continuity of the human race, or organics in the case of ME.

To compare it to genocide is absurd and ridiculous.  Genocide your one and only purpose and desire is to kill the group of people you kill, and you have no other reason in doing what you're doing than to kill that group of people.

Not nearly the same thing.  It's not genocide.

Modifié par Aaleel, 08 octobre 2012 - 02:02 .