Xilizhra wrote...
Ooh, Leviathan. Apparently my assumptions were proven correct: It's nothing but one, big stab at retroactive continuity.
Oh, it didn't match the first time through? That's fine. Go back and rewrite the story to make it fit.
So people shouldn't try to fix issues in the story?
Xilizhra wrote...
Well, the story is what it is, now. And fits Riou's ideas better. Should that not be pointed out just because it may have been different before Leviathan? It's all canon.
Xilizhra wrote...
Since when is anything canon canon?
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Xilizhra wrote...
1. Social Darwinism has nothing to do with this. 2. It's not changing peoples' species, only modifying them. 3. Synthetics get cognitive upgrades, but there's no proof of organics directly doing so, only gaining the ability to interface with technology better. 4. Eugenics itself involves breeding controls and suchlike in order to get rid of weak traits; this itself is more like a single massive case of gene therapy.
Xilizhra wrote...
Did you not get the sarcasm from that line? My point there was that you were disregarding canon earlier because you didn't like the result.
Yes, but not in relation to this. And Synthesis does fit the definition of gene therapy, more or less: inserting genes for superior traits, although they're not "conventional" genes, so it might not be exact, but it's better than eugenics. And everyone's species is still the same.Fandango9641 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
1. Social Darwinism has nothing to do with this. 2. It's not changing peoples' species, only modifying them. 3. Synthetics get cognitive upgrades, but there's no proof of organics directly doing so, only gaining the ability to interface with technology better. 4. Eugenics itself involves breeding controls and suchlike in order to get rid of weak traits; this itself is more like a single massive case of gene therapy.
Synthesis as gene therapy? Modifying not changing? No proof of cognitive 'tweaking'? Are you mentally ill?
Regardless of the quality of said story, certain things have happened in it. And claiming that your choice is best because you disregard canon is heavily disingenuous.So instead I should be a witless apologist for a story which requires
constant revision-as-it-goes-along rather than before publication.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:20 .
"necessity" is a very interesting thing.Obadiah wrote...
@drayfish
War crimes aren't justifiable by necessity. That is why they are war crimes. Hence the arguments that Destroy is Genocide are pure hyperbole, and that is the semantic game.
Since when leviathan became canon? There is no leviathans in my ME3 game. But there is Sovereign and Vigil in my ME1 game.wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Did you not get the sarcasm from that line? My point there was that you were disregarding canon earlier because you didn't like the result.
So instead I should be a witless apologist for a story which requires constant revision-as-it-goes-along rather than before publication.
Modifié par Maxster_, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:22 .
Maxster_ wrote...
Since when leviathan became canon? There is no leviathans in my ME3 game. But there is Sovereign and Vigil in my ME1 game.wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Did you not get the sarcasm from that line? My point there was that you were disregarding canon earlier because you didn't like the result.
So instead I should be a witless apologist for a story which requires constant revision-as-it-goes-along rather than before publication.
Modifié par wantedman dan, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:25 .
Yes, you continually refuse to play the whole game. Your opinion will hereafter be disregarded.Maxster_ wrote...
Since when leviathan became canon? There is no leviathans in my ME3 game. But there is Sovereign and Vigil in my ME1 game.wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Did you not get the sarcasm from that line? My point there was that you were disregarding canon earlier because you didn't like the result.
So instead I should be a witless apologist for a story which requires constant revision-as-it-goes-along rather than before publication.
Bioware just can't freakin' win, can it? People complain about the DLC being pointless to the story and they complain about it being too important.Same here. Apparently I'm required to download DLC to make my story make sense.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:25 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Regardless of the quality of said story, certain things have happened in it. And claiming that your choice is best because you disregard canon is heavily disingenuous.
Xilizhra wrote...
Bioware just can't freakin' win, can it? People complain about the DLC being pointless to the story and they complain about it being too important.
Very well. You seem to want to claim that your refusal to take in certain canon information makes your own ending better than my own. The fact that you choose to ignore the fact that the next cycle uses the Crucible, as well as this whole Leviathan issue, means that your base of information is inherently incomplete compared to my own. You can't use a denial of knowledge as a means of supporting your argument.wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Regardless of the quality of said story, certain things have happened in it. And claiming that your choice is best because you disregard canon is heavily disingenuous.
I'd love for you to expound upon this assertion.
Well, I for one am glad that they took the chance to make the story make more sense, even if they couldn't fix the endings themselves yet.That's because it is both and they don't deserve to win. Mass Effect
3 was--is--a trainwreck and deserves this heavy, heavy critique.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:28 .
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There is no evidence that Synthesis is brainwashing.Fandango9641 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
1. Social Darwinism has nothing to do with this. 2. It's not changing peoples' species, only modifying them. 3. Synthetics get cognitive upgrades, but there's no proof of organics directly doing so, only gaining the ability to interface with technology better. 4. Eugenics itself involves breeding controls and suchlike in order to get rid of weak traits; this itself is more like a single massive case of gene therapy.
Synthesis as gene therapy? Modifying not changing? No proof of cognitive 'tweaking'? Are you mentally ill?
Xilizhra wrote...
Very well. You seem to want to claim that your refusal to take in certain canon information makes your own ending better than my own. The fact that you choose to ignore the fact that the next cycle uses the Crucible, as well as this whole Leviathan issue, means that your base of information is inherently incomplete compared to my own. You can't use a denial of knowledge as a means of supporting your argument.
Well, I for one am glad that they took the chance to make the story make more sense, even if they couldn't fix the endings themselves yet.
Twitter supersedes nothing at all; it wasn't contradictory to what was found in-game.So basically I am supposed to, yet again, let Twitter supercede what is found--or, more aptly, what is not--in game. Leviathan is irrelevant to this topic.
I'd rather take what enjoyment I can find in the final installment of a series I like. It makes me happier.I'm happy you're content with sub-quality production, glaring holes in the plot and storyline, and retroactive continuity to make sense of an abhorrance of a storyline via paid DLC AFTER the initial release.
Congratulations. You're part of the problem.
wantedman dan wrote...
I'm happy you're content with sub-quality production, glaring holes in the plot and storyline, and retroactive continuity to make sense of an abhorrance of a storyline via paid DLC AFTER the initial release.
Congratulations. You're part of the problem.
Xilizhra wrote...
Twitter supersedes nothing at all; it wasn't contradictory to what was found in-game.
I'd rather take what enjoyment I can find in the final installment of a series I like. It makes me happier.
MegaSovereign wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
I'm happy you're content with sub-quality production, glaring holes in the plot and storyline, and retroactive continuity to make sense of an abhorrance of a storyline via paid DLC AFTER the initial release.
Congratulations. You're part of the problem.
The Leviathan DLC was planned even before the Extended Cut/fan outrage.
Xilizhra wrote...
Yes, you continually refuse to play the whole game. Your opinion will hereafter be disregarded.Maxster_ wrote...
Since when leviathan became canon? There is no leviathans in my ME3 game. But there is Sovereign and Vigil in my ME1 game.wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Did you not get the sarcasm from that line? My point there was that you were disregarding canon earlier because you didn't like the result.
So instead I should be a witless apologist for a story which requires constant revision-as-it-goes-along rather than before publication.Bioware just can't freakin' win, can it? People complain about the DLC being pointless to the story and they complain about it being too important.Same here. Apparently I'm required to download DLC to make my story make sense.
:lol:It is pure win. So, to make sense from incomplete and false adverised game they sold, i should pay them more money.Yes, you continually refuse to play the whole game. Your opinion will hereafter be disregarded.
:lol:
Reapers pawns are indoctrinatedwantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Very well. You seem to want to claim that your refusal to take in certain canon information makes your own ending better than my own. The fact that you choose to ignore the fact that the next cycle uses the Crucible, as well as this whole Leviathan issue, means that your base of information is inherently incomplete compared to my own. You can't use a denial of knowledge as a means of supporting your argument.
So basically I am supposed to, yet again, let Twitter supercede what is found--or, more aptly, what is not--in game. Leviathan is irrelevant to this topic.Well, I for one am glad that they took the chance to make the story make more sense, even if they couldn't fix the endings themselves yet.
I'm happy you're content with sub-quality production, glaring holes in the plot and storyline, and retroactive continuity to make sense of an abhorrance of a storyline via paid DLC AFTER the initial release.
Congratulations. You're part of the problem.
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Lord Aesir wrote...
There is no evidence that Synthesis is brainwashing.
An Asari is an Asari and a Krogan is still a Krogan.
Synthesis provides additions, it does not eliminate existing traits of the species.
It doesn't have to. Twitter clarified something left out of the ending.Point to me where it is explicitly stated that the next cycle used the Crucible in-game.
It's not as though I'm urging Bioware to not change the endings or something. I doubt I'm harming your cause.And being happy with sub-quality production, glaring holes in the plot and storyline, and retroactive continuity to make sense of an abhorrance of a storyline via paid DLC AFTER the initial release is still troubling and still makes you part of the problem.
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