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[ghost9191]

dreman9999 wrote...

Allison_Lightning wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Allison_Lightning wrote...

Countless cycles have lost every single race in the war against the Reapers. Each cycle has been trying and over millions of years, that is so many races. There will be new races in the future, both organic and synthetic.

They deserve to exist in their own unique manner and not to fear the Reapers culling them. At the end of the day sacrifice is pounded into you time and again. To get a pretty 'all races survive' you rip away the one surefire way to get rid of the Reapers once and for all.
If my Shepard's price for victory was the destruction of the world beneath her- Earth and her race, she would have done that for the galaxy. Those who existed, those who do and those yet to come.

But your Shepard also had a way to do it with only the sacrifice of his/her humanity.

That way the Reapers were still alive and still a potential threat. So, no, not okay.

Reaper are machines doing what they are programed to do. What ever threatthey many be is based on how the Shepard AI programs them. They are not going to attack anyone unless the shepard ai tells them to.

which just because a ai is based off of shepard , does not mean it wil come to the same way of thinnking. it will lack emotions, and emotions play a large part in being human.. so yay for cold logic. it could change for worse or better

could be aware of sheps memories and thoughts and think hmm , I HAS THE POWER

[dreman9999]

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But after what is said by the leviathen we do know what's going on with the reapers. And the leviathen say they are machines doing what they are program to do.

And what would happen if you took the offending programming away?

The Geth Heretics in ME2 planned to unleash a virus that would subtly affect the "True Geth's" low-level processes. This would slowly indoctrinate them into joining the Reapers.

Has the same effect been used on the Reapers by the Catalyst? Even after Leviathan, there are still many, many questions left.

That's what control is. It's a mass rewrite.

Modifié par dreman9999, 08 octobre 2012 - 03:58 .

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Allison_Lightning wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Allison_Lightning wrote...

Countless cycles have lost every single race in the war against the Reapers. Each cycle has been trying and over millions of years, that is so many races. There will be new races in the future, both organic and synthetic.

They deserve to exist in their own unique manner and not to fear the Reapers culling them. At the end of the day sacrifice is pounded into you time and again. To get a pretty 'all races survive' you rip away the one surefire way to get rid of the Reapers once and for all.
If my Shepard's price for victory was the destruction of the world beneath her- Earth and her race, she would have done that for the galaxy. Those who existed, those who do and those yet to come.

But your Shepard also had a way to do it with only the sacrifice of his/her humanity.

That way the Reapers were still alive and still a potential threat. So, no, not okay.

Reaper are machines doing what they are programed to do. What ever threatthey many be is based on how the Shepard AI programs them. They are not going to attack anyone unless the shepard ai tells them to.

which just because a ai is based off of shepard , does not mean it wil come to the same way of thinnking. it will lack emotions, and emotions play a large part in being human.. so yay for cold logic. it could change for worse or better

could be aware of sheps memories and thoughts and think hmm , I HAS THE POWER

The Shepard AI has every thought, beleif, concept, and emotion Shepard has. Yes, it has emotion being it was sad for the people who lost Shepard.

It's not cold logic. It meant  to understand Organics being that it use organic though as it's base.

[Made Nightwing]

The geth cannot feel physical pain, and are therefore not afraid of it. They cannot die (unless killed), therefore have no fear of eventual demise. Therefore they cannot empathise with those who are afraid of pain and death, such as humans. So no matter how many 'experiences' they have, they cannot experience the very things that make us 'alive'. Half of the things humans do are based solely on the fact that we will feel pain and that we will all die some day. A machine cannot know that, therefore cannot act like it, therefore cannot be alive, for to be alive requires that you will definitely die.

[ghost9191]

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...


and also , it is the geths fault, they just needed to accept the reapers future rather then achieving it on their own terms , dumba*ses

The geth would be killed by the crucible no matter what they did...It effects all tech.

one. you sir or maam are no fun

and two. i was mainly just assuming the beam targeted reaper tech or code, otherwise there would be a lot more dmg

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Shepard AI has every thought, beleif, concept, and emotion Shepard has. Yes, it has emotion being it was sad for the people who lost Shepard.

It's not cold logic. It meant  to understand Organics being that it use organic though as it's base.

It said everything about him will be gone, but thoughts and memories not Shepard emotions. Organic thoughts can still lead to cold logic without emotions

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...


and also , it is the geths fault, they just needed to accept the reapers future rather then achieving it on their own terms , dumba*ses

The geth would be killed by the crucible no matter what they did...It effects all tech.

one. you sir or maam are no fun

and two. i was mainly just assuming the beam targeted reaper tech or code, otherwise there would be a lot more dmg

"All technology will be effected but it can be easilly be repair"
-Catalyst.

It's not just focused on reaper tech.

[ghost9191]

@dreman9999


wait wait wait wait. it has no emotion. no where is it crying due to the loss. it knew of the loss but could not experience true emotion, only emulate. same as catalyst. which would probably be partly why the catlyst saw no problem with its solution, unlike we organics.

face it, shepalyst is going to turn into a evil tyrannical evil doer thing with a overwhelming synthetic force at its hands to do its bidding. wiping out anything that gets uppity and force everyone to worship it as some kind of ai god

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Shepard AI has every thought, beleif, concept, and emotion Shepard has. Yes, it has emotion being it was sad for the people who lost Shepard.

It's not cold logic. It meant  to understand Organics being that it use organic though as it's base.

It said everything about him will be gone, but thoughts and memories not Shepard emotions. Organic thoughts can still lead to cold logic without emotions

No, he said Shepard would con't the reaper butlose everything he /she had. The catalyst also stated Shepards persona, thoughts and beliefs will live on.

The Shepard AI also showed it has emotion in the epologe.

[ghost9191]

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...


and also , it is the geths fault, they just needed to accept the reapers future rather then achieving it on their own terms , dumba*ses

The geth would be killed by the crucible no matter what they did...It effects all tech.

one. you sir or maam are no fun

and two. i was mainly just assuming the beam targeted reaper tech or code, otherwise there would be a lot more dmg

"All technology will be effected but it can be easilly be repair"
-Catalyst.

It's not just focused on reaper tech.

yeah , but hold on. the cataylst one cannot tell the future, shep is going to die also if i recall. and see how that beam effected reapers and troops. don't you think there would be a whole hell of a lot more damage if that were the case? the ending where it effects all tech is low ems destroy, the better the ems the more "focused " it is , goes from effecting all tech to limited amount

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

@dreman9999


wait wait wait wait. it has no emotion. no where is it crying due to the loss. it knew of the loss but could not experience true emotion, only emulate. same as catalyst. which would probably be partly why the catlyst saw no problem with its solution, unlike we organics.

face it, shepalyst is going to turn into a evil tyrannical evil doer thing with a overwhelming synthetic force at its hands to do its bidding. wiping out anything that gets uppity and force everyone to worship it as some kind of ai god

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Shepard AI has every thought, beleif, concept, and emotion Shepard has. Yes, it has emotion being it was sad for the people who lost Shepard.

It's not cold logic. It meant  to understand Organics being that it use organic though as it's base.

It said everything about him will be gone, but thoughts and memories not Shepard emotions. Organic thoughts can still lead to cold logic without emotions

No, he said Shepard would con't the reaper butlose everything he /she had. The catalyst also stated Shepards persona, thoughts and beliefs will live on.

The Shepard AI also showed it has emotion in the epologe.

The bolded part, I just said that. Lose everything means lose everything.

I just watched the Control paragon, it only said thoughts and memories and no it didn't show emotion in the ending

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...


and also , it is the geths fault, they just needed to accept the reapers future rather then achieving it on their own terms , dumba*ses

The geth would be killed by the crucible no matter what they did...It effects all tech.

one. you sir or maam are no fun

and two. i was mainly just assuming the beam targeted reaper tech or code, otherwise there would be a lot more dmg

"All technology will be effected but it can be easilly be repair"
-Catalyst.

It's not just focused on reaper tech.

yeah , but hold on. the cataylst one cannot tell the future, shep is going to die also if i recall. and see how that beam effected reapers and troops. don't you think there would be a whole hell of a lot more damage if that were the case? the ending where it effects all tech is low ems destroy, the better the ems the more "focused " it is , goes from effecting all tech to limited amount

The catalyst never directly said Shepard would die. It's not all seeing. Add, the use of the crucible is always the reason the normady crashes on the planet on the end.

[ghost9191]

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

@dreman9999


wait wait wait wait. it has no emotion. no where is it crying due to the loss. it knew of the loss but could not experience true emotion, only emulate. same as catalyst. which would probably be partly why the catlyst saw no problem with its solution, unlike we organics.

face it, shepalyst is going to turn into a evil tyrannical evil doer thing with a overwhelming synthetic force at its hands to do its bidding. wiping out anything that gets uppity and force everyone to worship it as some kind of ai god

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

to be fair her voice sounds pretty much the same throughout that whole thing, whould have convinced me better with mark meer, just saying   again it can emulate , and a simple change in tone doesn't mean anything, ai do not have EMOTIONS    they are godless machines

note part of my posts are jokes other part serious

[Iconoclaste]

Ned Starks Head wrote...

Yate wrote...

Define a soul then get back to me.

A genre of music.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Shepard AI has every thought, beleif, concept, and emotion Shepard has. Yes, it has emotion being it was sad for the people who lost Shepard.

It's not cold logic. It meant  to understand Organics being that it use organic though as it's base.

It said everything about him will be gone, but thoughts and memories not Shepard emotions. Organic thoughts can still lead to cold logic without emotions

No, he said Shepard would con't the reaper butlose everything he /she had. The catalyst also stated Shepards persona, thoughts and beliefs will live on.

The Shepard AI also showed it has emotion in the epologe.

The bolded part, I just said that. Lose everything means lose everything.

I just watched the Control paragon, it only said thoughts and memories and no it didn't show emotion in the ending

No...It did not say Shepard persona and thoughts will die...It clearly says it lives on...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&feature=player_detailpage#t=546s




The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

Modifié par dreman9999, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:17 .

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

@dreman9999


wait wait wait wait. it has no emotion. no where is it crying due to the loss. it knew of the loss but could not experience true emotion, only emulate. same as catalyst. which would probably be partly why the catlyst saw no problem with its solution, unlike we organics.

face it, shepalyst is going to turn into a evil tyrannical evil doer thing with a overwhelming synthetic force at its hands to do its bidding. wiping out anything that gets uppity and force everyone to worship it as some kind of ai god

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

to be fair her voice sounds pretty much the same throughout that whole thing, whould have convinced me better with mark meer, just saying   again it can emulate , and a simple change in tone doesn't mean anything, ai do not have EMOTIONS    they are godless machines

note part of my posts are jokes other part serious

Tone change is a form of emotional expersion. And the tone it used was a sad tone. That means emotion.
Even the catalyst had emotions.

[ghost9191]

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...


and also , it is the geths fault, they just needed to accept the reapers future rather then achieving it on their own terms , dumba*ses

The geth would be killed by the crucible no matter what they did...It effects all tech.

one. you sir or maam are no fun

and two. i was mainly just assuming the beam targeted reaper tech or code, otherwise there would be a lot more dmg

"All technology will be effected but it can be easilly be repair"
-Catalyst.

It's not just focused on reaper tech.

yeah , but hold on. the cataylst one cannot tell the future, shep is going to die also if i recall. and see how that beam effected reapers and troops. don't you think there would be a whole hell of a lot more damage if that were the case? the ending where it effects all tech is low ems destroy, the better the ems the more "focused " it is , goes from effecting all tech to limited amount

The catalyst never directly said Shepard would die. It's not all seeing. Add, the use of the crucible is always the reason the normady crashes on the planet on the end.

exactly , it crashes becuse it loses edi, edi which is made up of reaper tech . might have had some issues similar to the ones they had earlier on due to edis shenanigans with the bot . so the normandy was effected more by the wave then the other ships, that were still able to fly after being hit. guessing

[AresKeith]

@Dreman how about you read for once in this forum, I just said that only Shepard's memories and thoughts are left. Everything else is gone, and no it doesn't sound sad its mono-tone. You literally troll or misread people's comment on purpose to make yourself right.

Also I like how you derailed another thread

Modifié par AresKeith, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...


and also , it is the geths fault, they just needed to accept the reapers future rather then achieving it on their own terms , dumba*ses

The geth would be killed by the crucible no matter what they did...It effects all tech.

one. you sir or maam are no fun

and two. i was mainly just assuming the beam targeted reaper tech or code, otherwise there would be a lot more dmg

"All technology will be effected but it can be easilly be repair"
-Catalyst.

It's not just focused on reaper tech.

yeah , but hold on. the cataylst one cannot tell the future, shep is going to die also if i recall. and see how that beam effected reapers and troops. don't you think there would be a whole hell of a lot more damage if that were the case? the ending where it effects all tech is low ems destroy, the better the ems the more "focused " it is , goes from effecting all tech to limited amount

The catalyst never directly said Shepard would die. It's not all seeing. Add, the use of the crucible is always the reason the normady crashes on the planet on the end.

exactly , it crashes becuse it loses edi, edi which is made up of reaper tech . might have had some issues similar to the ones they had earlier on due to edis shenanigans with the bot . so the normandy was effected more by the wave then the other ships, that were still able to fly after being hit. guessing

The ship crashes in the control ending and synthesis ending as well.

[Iconoclaste]

ghost9191 wrote...

exactly , it crashes becuse it loses edi, edi which is made up of reaper tech . might have had some issues similar to the ones they had earlier on due to edis shenanigans with the bot . so the normandy was effected more by the wave then the other ships, that were still able to fly after being hit. guessing

I would rather believe it's because the Reaper IFF was destroyed, causing collateral damage to its surroundings inside the Normandy.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

@Dreman how about you read for once in this forum, I just said that only Shepard's memories and thoughts are left. Everything else is gone, you literal troll or misread people's comment on purpose to make yourself right.

Also I like how you derailed another thread

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

[ghost9191]

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

@dreman9999


wait wait wait wait. it has no emotion. no where is it crying due to the loss. it knew of the loss but could not experience true emotion, only emulate. same as catalyst. which would probably be partly why the catlyst saw no problem with its solution, unlike we organics.

face it, shepalyst is going to turn into a evil tyrannical evil doer thing with a overwhelming synthetic force at its hands to do its bidding. wiping out anything that gets uppity and force everyone to worship it as some kind of ai god

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

to be fair her voice sounds pretty much the same throughout that whole thing, whould have convinced me better with mark meer, just saying   again it can emulate , and a simple change in tone doesn't mean anything, ai do not have EMOTIONS    they are godless machines

note part of my posts are jokes other part serious

Tone change is a form of emotional expersion. And the tone it used was a sad tone. That means emotion.
Even the catalyst had emotions.

gonna use the word emulate one more time. it was able to emulate emotion , and again that tone is used throughtout the whole slideshow. and i can sound sad but not be just means i can voice act

catalyst had no emotion, was just a advanced ai , cold cold machine . all evidents points to them lacking emotions, you know hints the whole reason for synthesis? because the reapers and catalyst , plus other ai lacked emotion and understanding , or some bs like that

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dreman how about you read for once in this forum, I just said that only Shepard's memories and thoughts are left. Everything else is gone, you literal troll or misread people's comment on purpose to make yourself right.

Also I like how you derailed another thread

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

Funny how you use Jennifer Hale's voice when she always sounds like that in her voice acting. While Mark Meer's control voice acting doesn't. Not a strong base for proof when you only show one side

[Iconoclaste]

"Computers with emotions" is and old Sci-Fi classic. In Stanley Kubrick's 2001 : A Space Odyssey, the avanced computer HAL 9000 could emulate emotions very convincingly, but it had nothing to do with real "emotions". Emotions need a "real body" to exist.