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[ghost9191]

@dreman

well control ending shepalyst takes control of edi and such so might have caused issues yet again,

and in synthesis the ship became alive, think that explains that

joking aside , well somewhat , not really joking with the synthesis .something could have effected edi , maybe she lost connection to the ship or some bs and came trapped in the bot. and control will idk maybe joker just sucks

[ghost9191]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dreman how about you read for once in this forum, I just said that only Shepard's memories and thoughts are left. Everything else is gone, you literal troll or misread people's comment on purpose to make yourself right.

Also I like how you derailed another thread

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

Funny how you use Jennifer Hale's voice when she always sounds like that in her voice acting. While Mark Meer's control voice acting doesn't. Not a strong base for proof when you only show one side

Thank you , that is what i was saying lol


and with that i be slowing down on posts, i have been posting alot on this thread, pppl might be getting annoyed saying my half as*ed jokes and 100% right and accurate arguments:whistle:

Modifié par ghost9191, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:26 .

[Iconoclaste]

The "voice acting" should also be the same in all languages, and it's not. That applies to all "audio arguments" regarding "tone" or "voice inflexions".

[AresKeith]

ghost9191 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dreman how about you read for once in this forum, I just said that only Shepard's memories and thoughts are left. Everything else is gone, you literal troll or misread people's comment on purpose to make yourself right.

Also I like how you derailed another thread

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

Funny how you use Jennifer Hale's voice when she always sounds like that in her voice acting. While Mark Meer's control voice acting doesn't. Not a strong base for proof when you only show one side

Thank you , that is what i was saying lol


and with that i be slowing down on posts, i have been posting alot on this thread, pppl might be getting annoyed saying my half as*ed jokes and 100% right and accurate arguments:whistle:

Yep the thing is, If Shreaper was meant to have emotions then both VA's would've put emotion behind it. Mark didn't, which means that was Hale's regular voice acting (which I do enjoy). And memories and thoughts doesn't equal emotions.

[FOX216BC]

 Commander Shepard:  "The right choice is usually not the easy one"

Well synthesis and control only kills Shepard,the Geth and EDI are not wipped out, all the rebuilding goes faster...
(for me this is the easy way out) 

Destroy kills/terminate the Geth and EDI but above all the Reapers, it will take sometime to rebuild but the future is in our own hands.

Modifié par FOX216BC, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:44 .

[Cutlass Jack]

TheIdiocyWizard2.0 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Yate wrote...

Define a soul then get back to me.

No different than defining what 'life' is.

So does that mean that every single plant/animal has a soul?

No one can even prove humans have souls. But I'll give the benefit of the doubt to any species capable of telling me they care if they have one.

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

@dreman9999


wait wait wait wait. it has no emotion. no where is it crying due to the loss. it knew of the loss but could not experience true emotion, only emulate. same as catalyst. which would probably be partly why the catlyst saw no problem with its solution, unlike we organics.

face it, shepalyst is going to turn into a evil tyrannical evil doer thing with a overwhelming synthetic force at its hands to do its bidding. wiping out anything that gets uppity and force everyone to worship it as some kind of ai god

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

to be fair her voice sounds pretty much the same throughout that whole thing, whould have convinced me better with mark meer, just saying   again it can emulate , and a simple change in tone doesn't mean anything, ai do not have EMOTIONS    they are godless machines

note part of my posts are jokes other part serious

Tone change is a form of emotional expersion. And the tone it used was a sad tone. That means emotion.
Even the catalyst had emotions.

gonna use the word emulate one more time. it was able to emulate emotion , and again that tone is used throughtout the whole slideshow. and i can sound sad but not be just means i can voice act

catalyst had no emotion, was just a advanced ai , cold cold machine . all evidents points to them lacking emotions, you know hints the whole reason for synthesis? because the reapers and catalyst , plus other ai lacked emotion and understanding , or some bs like that

The catalyst has emotion. It shows this at low ems and refuse.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dreman how about you read for once in this forum, I just said that only Shepard's memories and thoughts are left. Everything else is gone, you literal troll or misread people's comment on purpose to make yourself right.

Also I like how you derailed another thread

The Shepard AI clearly sounds sad in this scene...It has emotions.

Funny how you use Jennifer Hale's voice when she always sounds like that in her voice acting. While Mark Meer's control voice acting doesn't. Not a strong base for proof when you only show one side

Oh, please. Mark Meer's vo alway is stiffer then Hales. The shepard AI has emption...That it that.

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

The "voice acting" should also be the same in all languages, and it's not. That applies to all "audio arguments" regarding "tone" or "voice inflexions".

Voice tone copletly change the concept ofthe lines. Any actor, director or writer can tell you this.

[Degs29]

Considering Cerberus rebuilt Shepard, bringing him back from death and conforming to what he was prior to being spaced, I find the argument that the ability of the Geth to be rebuilt in the same fashion makes it anything other than genocide alarming.  What if technology existed to bring organic beings back from the dead or in another vessel?  Would that mean killing an organic race would no longer be considered genocide?  Not to me.

I don't believe in a soul.  Atleast, not as an physical or spiritual entity.  I believe we have personalities, morals, thoughts, beliefs...all of which are signs of life.  If AIs duplicate these characteristics and are capable of original thought, why shouldn't they be considered living beings?  Because they were built, rather than grown?  Because they are "unnatural"?  That makes them less than us?  Even though they have personalities, thoughts, beliefs and even hopes.  They feel remorse.  They have a sense of right and wrong.  I don't see the difference.  Our brains are basically machines themselves, using electrical (like computers) and chemical signals to send messages throughout our bodies and allowing us to think and act.

I refuse to choose Destroy.

[ghost9191]

FOX216BC wrote...

 Commander Shepard:  "The right choice is usually not the easy one"

Well synthesis and control only kills Shepard,the Geth and EDI are not wipped out, all the rebuilding goes faster...
(for me this is the easy way out) 

Destroy kills/terminate the Geth and EDI but above all the Reapers, it will take sometime to rebuild but the future is in our own hands.

main reason i choose destroy, well one of the main reasons. Gives the races the chance to build their own future without the influence of the reapers. it may take longer but everything will be rebuilt by the races, not done for them .

like with synthesis , if that is the end then so be it but the races should be allowed to achieve that end or not by their own freewill. not given to them. it blinds to alternatives.

not to mention the races that are not ready for it.

in short i agree. control and synthesis the reapers rebuild . destroy the races have to do it on their own. learning as they go . easy way isn't always right way


sucks about the geth and edi but to me synthesis has you sacificing alot more then destroy. control is iffy to me. too many unknowns.. more reasons to my choice but this is on topic with your post

Modifié par ghost9191, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:59 .

[ghost9191]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So if you accidently run over your dog Pete then buy a new dog named Pete does that mean you didn't kill Pete?

no but if you break your toaster and go by a new one it is still a toaster. dogs are organics Hanar . geth are synthetics they are different:devil:

[Comsky159]

It's genocide. You can't simply copy/paste an intelligence whether organic or synthetic.

Modifié par Comsky159, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:03 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Emotions are nothing to be proud of and they are nothing special. Emotion in humans is not only learned and trigered by impressions, they are also influenced by hormones and neurotransmitters such as dopamine, noradrenaline, serotonin, oxytocin and cortisol. They control our thinking and behavior. Emotions are usually very functional. Aggression is such a handy emotion. It readies the body for an upcoming fight. Adrenaline (epinephrine) is responsible for that. Whether we like it or not, in that way we are nothing more than biochemical computers. Emotions just drive our thinking.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:07 .

[Laotar]

The destroy ending really left a bad taste in my mouth. I just couldn't pull the trigger on Edi and the Geth.

Particularly not with what I went through to get the Geth and the Quarians to work together.

However, what's worse? Leaving the reapers intact or destroying the Geth and Edi along with them to ensure the cycle (or at least that version of it) would stop.

That is a question better left to aged sages and berserkers with giant space hamsters.

[Iconoclaste]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Emotions are nothing to be proud of and they are nothing special. Emotion in humans is not only learned and trigered by impressions, they are also influenced by hormones and neurotransmitters such as dopamine, noradrenaline, serotonin, oxytocin and cortisol. They control our thinking and behavior. Emotions are usually very functional. Aggression is such a handy emotion. It readies the body for an upcoming fight. Adrenaline (epinephrine) is responsible for that. Whether we like it or not, in that way we are nothing more than biochemical computers. Emotions just drive our thinking.

So, having no emotions means that nothing drives the "thinking", is that correct?

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:11 .

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So if you accidently run over your dog Pete then buy a new dog named Pete does that mean you didn't kill Pete?

no but if you break your toaster and go by a new one it is still a toaster. dogs are organics Hanar . geth are synthetics they are different:devil:

Your issue here is on form. Your missing here tht everything the Geth have we use to consider them alive are thing that has us stand out form other animal.

The geth have persona's, intelligence and emotion. Your say that is not enough...Reverse the question here. If we took persona , intelligence and emotion away form you....What would you have left?

[Kabooooom]

Even if you want to argue the geth are alive and have souls (they do not) their 'lives' are not the same as organic lives.

Prove that organic beings have a soul. But, I suppose, you would first have to (in your own words):

Define a soul then get back to me

And good luck with that one, since it is a concept that is 100% not rooted in science and is defined differently by nearly everybody.

It's also irrelevant to the discussion anyways - a "soul" is an utterly meaningless concept. Are the Geth sentient - consciously aware - as outlined by the ME story? Yes. Do they wish to continue existing, and have an awareness of their self and their desires? Yes. That's all that matters.

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Emotions are nothing to be proud of and they are nothing special. Emotion in humans is not only learned and trigered by impressions, they are also influenced by hormones and neurotransmitters such as dopamine, noradrenaline, serotonin, oxytocin and cortisol. They control our thinking and behavior. Emotions are usually very functional. Aggression is such a handy emotion. It readies the body for an upcoming fight. Adrenaline (epinephrine) is responsible for that. Whether we like it or not, in that way we are nothing more than biochemical computers. Emotions just drive our thinking.

So, having no emotions means that nothing drives the "thinking", is that correct?

No, we would have insticts to drive us left. Emotion is another way to drive for us as well and intellegence.
Emotion is only part of what drives us.

Modifié par dreman9999, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:14 .

[Iconoclaste]

dreman9999 wrote...
Your issue here is on form. Your missing here tht everything the Geth have we use to consider them alive are thing that has us stand out form other animal.

The geth have persona's, intelligence and emotion. Your say that is not enough...Reverse the question here. If we took persona , intelligence and emotion away form you....What would you have left?

If you can answer that question here, then you should write to the government of your country to tell them about your solution about this delicate problem, especially regarding ethics in the medical practice.

[hukbum]

Iconoclaste wrote...

So, having no emotions means that nothing drives the "thinking", is that correct?

Nope. You can think without emotions. Emotions more or less stand in the way of thinking. Ever tried to think straight while crying?

[ghost9191]

coming to a decision using emotions is one thing, but shepalyst will come to them using logic , the same logic that makes destroy the right choice. even the geth would see that. same logic that would make destroying the heretics right. same that would make keeping the collector base right

using emotions usually makes what we think are right choices , morally . the catalyst was callous . same probably for shepalyst

tried wording that right

[ghost9191]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So if you accidently run over your dog Pete then buy a new dog named Pete does that mean you didn't kill Pete?

no but if you break your toaster and go by a new one it is still a toaster. dogs are organics Hanar . geth are synthetics they are different:devil:

I don't think your toaster can think, talk or form opinions.

My one in fallout can