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[Quicksilver26]

Elfman wrote...

Being pansexual myself, I have absolutely no problem with characters being hero-sexual or anything for that matter, (within reason), just as long as they are interesting and engaging characters who I have strong opinions about. perfect example would be Anders, I really hated him in Dragon Age 2, (or rather, what Justice/Vengence made him), because he was just so whiney and annoying, but he he did have some redeeming qualities. That wouldn't have been possible if he was just a 2-D character like some characters are in some other games, or if he was just a horrible, horrible person, (like Phelps from L.A. Noire).

But what I really hate is the retconning of Ander's sexuality from Awakening to Dragon Age 2. Throughout the course of Awakening, he mentioned several times he wanted to settle down with a pretty girl and I also believe, there was a bit of flirting between him and a female Warden and Velanna. But if you then played Dragon Age 2 as a male Hawke, suddenly, Anders was homosexual, not heterosexual, and apparently recently lost his virginity to Karl. You can't really say he was closeted since there isn't really any social stigma about homosexuality in Thedas, (maybe slightly among elves, but they are a dying race after all. Oh and nobility and such, but rich people are weird), nor bisexual because he doesn't mention Karl in THAT way to a female Hawke for the exact same reason. Yeah, that annoyed me. Other than that, I think Bioware handles romances very well, and whether or not they choose to have hero-sexual companions or not, I'll be happy, so long as retconning sexualities doesn't rear its head again.

Yeah well to me Anders seem pritty free loving go with the flow kinda guy he pinged my gayder like carzy if he wasn't bi  in DA2 I would've be pissed

[Swordfishtrombone]

When I read the title of this thread, my first though was: "somebody wants to be able to romance **** SS troops?"


edit: Can't believe that the word describing the ww2 german populist political party is censored.

Modifié par Swordfishtrombone, 08 octobre 2012 - 06:45 .

[scootermcgaffin]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...
edit: Can't believe that the word describing the ww2 german populist political party is censored.

A lot of words that really shouldn't be censored are censored. It's odd. Words that will be used in DA3 are censored on the board dedicated to the game. Makes no sense.

[Dirty Whore]

at the rate the community is going we're going to be seeing sex and dating mini games before the end of the decade...dragon slaying? lol soo passe'

[syllogi]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Being pansexual myself, I have absolutely no problem with characters being hero-sexual or anything for that matter, (within reason), just as long as they are interesting and engaging characters who I have strong opinions about. perfect example would be Anders, I really hated him in Dragon Age 2, (or rather, what Justice/Vengence made him), because he was just so whiney and annoying, but he he did have some redeeming qualities. That wouldn't have been possible if he was just a 2-D character like some characters are in some other games, or if he was just a horrible, horrible person, (like Phelps from L.A. Noire).

But what I really hate is the retconning of Ander's sexuality from Awakening to Dragon Age 2. Throughout the course of Awakening, he mentioned several times he wanted to settle down with a pretty girl and I also believe, there was a bit of flirting between him and a female Warden and Velanna. But if you then played Dragon Age 2 as a male Hawke, suddenly, Anders was homosexual, not heterosexual, and apparently recently lost his virginity to Karl. You can't really say he was closeted since there isn't really any social stigma about homosexuality in Thedas, (maybe slightly among elves, but they are a dying race after all. Oh and nobility and such, but rich people are weird), nor bisexual because he doesn't mention Karl in THAT way to a female Hawke for the exact same reason. Yeah, that annoyed me. Other than that, I think Bioware handles romances very well, and whether or not they choose to have hero-sexual companions or not, I'll be happy, so long as retconning sexualities doesn't rear its head again.

Yeah well to me Anders seem pritty free loving go with the flow kinda guy he pinged my gayder like carzy if he wasn't bi  in DA2 I would've be pissed

IRL, I am a picky as heck, straitlaced curmudgeon, but when I manage to get over my general misanthropy, I am interested in both men and women (not most of them, just a select few).  I usually ping people's gaydars when I say something like "hey, that woman smells really good and she's hot"...idk, people read something into that.  Other people assume I'm one hundred percent hetero because I talk about my son and his father occasionally.  It's not my responsibility to educate every person I meet, and since I'm pretty private, I'm not going to volunteer my life story to acquaintances for no good reason.

As for Anders, I never saw anything to confirm or deny bisexuality in Awakening, but I also didn't see anything like that with Nathaniel or Velanna, and I would not have been horrified to have them "come out" as bisexual in DA2, simply because we really didn't get to know our Awakening companions well enough to define them that way, despite any casual banter.  

Also, this argument always makes me cringe, because people come out later in life all the time in the real world, it would be pretty rude to tell them they're "retconning" their sexuality.

[Quething]

Elfman wrote...

But what I really hate is the retconning of Ander's sexuality from Awakening to Dragon Age 2. Throughout the course of Awakening, he mentioned several times he wanted to settle down with a pretty girl and I also believe, there was a bit of flirting between him and a female Warden and Velanna. But if you then played Dragon Age 2 as a male Hawke, suddenly, Anders was homosexual, not heterosexual, and apparently recently lost his virginity to Karl.

In every playthrough, regardless of Hawke's gender, Anders has slept with Isabela and makes note of it within Hawke's (and thus the player's) hearing. It is f!Hawke for whom Anders' sexuality is curtailed, as in an f!Hawke playthrough you will not hear one tiny peep about Anders (or Fenris, for that matter) having any interest in men whatsoever.

Modifié par Quething, 08 octobre 2012 - 07:33 .

[Momiji.mii]

I usually play the gay/lesbian romances first in Bioware games if they are available, then the straight ones last. Why? Because they're so rare in gaming as a whole! I can get my straight romance fix elsewhere, so Dragon Age and now Mass Effect have ended up as the games that I usually play S/S or F/F romances. And they're well written, which makes it even better.

I prefer bisexual LI (so that everyone can romance the one they prefer). In my first playthrough, I only romanced Anders and didn't choose any other heart icons, so noone else made a pass at my Hawke. In another playthrough, I picked all the heart icons and my Hawke was the most popular gal ever. But she only had eyes for Isabela.

I did enjoy Cortez and Sam in ME3, but Kaidan and Liara will always be the best and most romantic S/S and F/F romances in that game for me, for many reasons that shall not be mentioned here because of spoilers. Both of them bisexual, I might add.

I admit, I did laugh a bit while reading this thread when I saw that I was far from the only one who was puzzled by the claim that Merril and Fenris have "subjective sexuality", mostly because of the Isabela/Fenris romance that happens even if mHawke don't romance Fenris. And according to comments and hints from the devs on twitter, they had some kind of plan for unromanced Merril/Carver before the expansion was cancelled.

So the way I personally see it is that both Fenris and Merril might never have realised their feelings for people of the same gender if Hawke had never courted them. Like how some people consider themselves pretty much straight (or just don't think about the possibility of falling in love with someone of the same sex), but then one day they meet someone who sweeps them off their feet and that someone happens to be of the same gender. That's actually pretty romantic as well, I think, in small doses.

Anyways, I won't cry or get angry if we get exclusive straigth and gay options together with the bisexual ones, but I still prefer the way it was handled in DA2. And I look forward to getting my heart stepped on again in DA3.

Modifié par Momiji.mii, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:39 .

[Kidd]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Not sure if trolling or just unaware of what you just said.

Kaidan says the exact same things to femShep (and some extra stuff, too) in the same way that he says it to broShep. One of those situations sounds like he's talking to the person in front of him. The other sounds like he's talking to the other person that's not in front of him because he is still talking to femShep regardless.

Call me dumb but I've no idea what you're referring to, still. Just rewatched the scenes on youtube and I just don't get it.

[HiddenInWar]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

Swordfishtrombone wrote...
edit: Can't believe that the word describing the ww2 german populist political party is censored.

A lot of words that really shouldn't be censored are censored. It's odd. Words that will be used in DA3 are censored on the board dedicated to the game. Makes no sense.

This. 

[Eternal Phoenix]

****.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Ah! It really is censored!

[Maria Caliban]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

A lot of words that really shouldn't be censored are censored. It's odd. Words that will be used in DA3 are censored on the board dedicated to the game. Makes no sense.

Dragon Age 3 is a mature rated game. You only have to be 13 to log onto the BioWare forums.

[Zkyire]

Maria Caliban wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

A lot of words that really shouldn't be censored are censored. It's odd. Words that will be used in DA3 are censored on the board dedicated to the game. Makes no sense.

Dragon Age 3 is a mature rated game. You only have to be 13 to log onto the BioWare forums.

You can be any age and buy an M/18+ game.

ID checks are rarely if ever enforced.

[Blessed Silence]

filetemo wrote...

A companion sets him/herself as gay/straight/bi in my first playthrough, and that's set in stone in my mind.
If my character changes gender for the next playthrough, and then my companion has the opposite orientation as before, it just feels out of character.

I'd say "that's probably just me" but I've seen this same feeling to several posters here

Good comment. Reason why I suggested as I did below.

Oi thread making my head hurt.

I think it would be better if every LI interest was bisexual in personality, and we, as out characters, do things to get them to like us. I mean, how many people got in arms when so-and-so had a particular sexual preference?

In DA:O I always go for Alistair. Not to say I don't like Leliana, but I am not comfortable with such a choice for my female character. Same in DA2, I went with Anders and Sebastian (/shakefist for not good Varric romance mention ending). Doesn't mean I'm against such sexual preferences.

But I think when the devs come out and say "Hey, so-and-so character we made is this sexual preference" causes more problem than just having them "coded" to be bisexual. Just like in life, I'd love to work on that guy with my male char, or a female with my girl character if I really liked them (secretly I loved Aveline .. dang no romance with her for my female Hawke).

And rememeber, it's all optional!

Zkyire wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

A lot of words that really shouldn't be censored are censored. It's odd. Words that will be used in DA3 are censored on the board dedicated to the game. Makes no sense.

Dragon Age 3 is a mature rated game. You only have to be 13 to log onto the BioWare forums.

You can be any age and buy an M/18+ game.

ID checks are rarely if ever enforced.

Then come where I live, our GameStop does ID checks a ton on those games. Even seen them turn away kids and make them get their parents.

Modifié par Blessed Silence, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:06 .

[mesmerizedish]

Zkyire wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

A lot of words that really shouldn't be censored are censored. It's odd. Words that will be used in DA3 are censored on the board dedicated to the game. Makes no sense.

Dragon Age 3 is a mature rated game. You only have to be 13 to log onto the BioWare forums.

You can be any age and buy an M/18+ game.

ID checks are rarely if ever enforced.

It's also not illegal to sell an M-rated game to a minor. The industry is self-policing. The idea that R ratings or M ratings have any actual legal bearing is a common misconception. But it's irrelevant. "It's legal for a 13-year-old to buy this" doesn't mean "we want a 13-year-old buying this."

You can be any age and sign up for the BioWare forums too. The point is that the games are intended for an older audience than the forums are. Forum policy is, I believe, pretty consistent across all EA sites.

[Zkyire]

I used to work at a GameStop, we never ID'd anyone, and weren't instructed to by management.

[Blessed Silence]

Zkyire wrote...

I used to work at a GameStop, we never ID'd anyone, and weren't instructed to by management.

Not going to argue.  It happened here recently.  Just saying people DO get ID checks in some places.

[Zkyire]

Blessed Silence wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

I used to work at a GameStop, we never ID'd anyone, and weren't instructed to by management.

Not going to argue.  It happened here recently.  Just saying people DO get ID checks in some places.

Not arguing either.

And noted.

[Zkyire]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

A lot of words that really shouldn't be censored are censored. It's odd. Words that will be used in DA3 are censored on the board dedicated to the game. Makes no sense.

Dragon Age 3 is a mature rated game. You only have to be 13 to log onto the BioWare forums.

You can be any age and buy an M/18+ game.

ID checks are rarely if ever enforced.

It's also not illegal to sell an M-rated game to a minor. The industry is self-policing. The idea that R ratings or M ratings have any actual legal bearing is a common misconception. But it's irrelevant. "It's legal for a 13-year-old to buy this" doesn't mean "we want a 13-year-old buying this."

You can be any age and sign up for the BioWare forums too. The point is that the games are intended for an older audience than the forums are. Forum policy is, I believe, pretty consistent across all EA sites.

Intended for yes, but still open to, basically.

[Maria Caliban]

Zkyire wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

A lot of words that really shouldn't be censored are censored. It's odd. Words that will be used in DA3 are censored on the board dedicated to the game. Makes no sense.

Dragon Age 3 is a mature rated game. You only have to be 13 to log onto the BioWare forums.

You can be any age and buy an M/18+ game.

ID checks are rarely if ever enforced.

People said that the restrictions don't 'make sense' and I explained them. Do ID checks at retail stores really factor into BioWare's forum policies?

[Zkyire]

Uh yes?

If you can be any age and play the game, and you can be any age and join the forum, then the age restriction policies mean nothing since they're not always enforced, whether at the store, or for the forum itself.

So having censors on the forum is meaningless.

[upsettingshorts]

Just spell out National Socialist German Worker's Party (NSDAP).

Or "that fascist German political party that existed from 1920-1945."

See? That's not clumsy at all.

The irony is, of course, that "****" is basically a popularized slur.  They themselves used "National Socialist," something we can say uncensored.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 09 octobre 2012 - 12:34 .

[Quicksilver26]

ok ok i have to say this once again personality PERSONALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEXUALITY.
i'm a lesbian and i'm shy and quiet and i don't really like hanging out with people in real live
my step sister is lesbian is outgoing and loves to be around people
we are both gay and are personalities couldn't be more different if we tried

[DialupToaster]

Why do we have threads like this? They only end in tears...

Seriously though, Its REPETITIVE.<_<

My issue with the DA2 system is because of the laziness it creates.

Fenris: Your a beautiful woman Hawke.
Hawke:... I'm a man.
Fenris: Wut?  




^Pretty much Da2 romances in a nutshell, please atleast have the dialogue be different. I hear it was done better in Me3 so let's have it like that...
I wouldn't know though....

Modifié par randomchasegurney, 09 octobre 2012 - 01:23 .