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[Terrorize69]

StElmo wrote...

Bfler wrote...

I would have no problem with her, if they remove the naivety a bit. Then she would be the DA version of Tali.

Liara and Tali were both more naive in ME1 and ME2 respectively then Merrill is IMHO.

I always saw Tali and Merrill as two sides of the same coin, so similar in many ways, with a select few traits that seperate them.

On a unrelated note, Merrills surname is Zorah.

[Gileadan]

Tali never gave me the impression that she'd get lost inside a huge spaceship without a ball of twine, something that Merrill apparently needed for Lowtown. I don't think they're all that similar.

[Terrorize69]

Gileadan wrote...

Tali never gave me the impression that she'd get lost inside a huge spaceship without a ball of twine, something that Merrill apparently needed for Lowtown. I don't think they're all that similar.

Considering Tali grew up on huge spaceships.. where as Merrill never lived in a human city before, slight contrast.

Tali would need a ball of twine if she moved to Earth also.

[Eire Icon]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I know some people liked her but when she was your LI it felt ..... wrong if you know what I mean because they made her act so young. It may be just me but please don't do that again. Anyone agree

I don't think she acted "Young" she was just somewhat innocent and naive. These are traits people of any age can have

I for one thought Merril was a great character

[Terrorize69]

Eire Icon wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I know some people liked her but when she was your LI it felt ..... wrong if you know what I mean because they made her act so young. It may be just me but please don't do that again. Anyone agree

I don't think she acted "Young" she was just somewhat innocent and naive. These are traits people of any age can have

I for one thought Merril was a great character

Damn right. Fitted her so well too, a elf who had barely any experience when it came to human culture and life, how could she be anything else but naive and innocent.

[Xilizhra]

Plaintiff wrote...

Even if I was inclined to romance Merrill, I wouldn't.

It's one thing to be naive. It's another to still be that way after living in Kirkwall for seven years.

Merrill is so thoroughly detached from reality at times that I'm tempted to think she has some sort of developmental disorder. Most of Hawke's innuendos and flirtations soar clear over her head. I struggle to believe that she even knows what sex is. I could never romance her because I'd feel like a predator.

But I don't think that Bioware is going to just rehash a character they already did, so I think we're fine.

I think a lot of the time, she's kidding, and she sees more than she initially lets on. She certainly she seems knowledgeable enough about sex when she basically pulls Hawke into bed, after all, and when she does things like try to find Anders' dirty spells...
Then again, you're not even attracted to women, are you?

[Kidd]

Xilizhra wrote...

Then again, you're not even attracted to women, are you?

Not really related. Just because Plaintiff isn't, doesn't mean his characters aren't.

[chuckwells62]

Merrill's story arc - if you romanced her - was actually really sweet, but it was missing a huge payoff in the form of her death. Had you romanced Merrill and had her accompany you in the final fight with Meredith, she SHOULD have died, given her many unfortunate life choices, falling in battle perhaps to save Hawke. That would have added an element that would have kicked things up a notch!

[NUM13ER]

Must be all the years of having 20 somethings play 16 year olds on television making people forget what actual young people look like. I can't see why anyone think she looks too young. I know women with slender frames like her who would be a bit insulted if you suggest all women are instantly buxom and curvy once they turn 18.

[TheJediSaint]

Yeah, I never got the impression that Merrill was particularly child like. Immature at times, but never child like. The fact that she tends to "miss" things is more a result of her rather limited attention span and...slanted perception of reality, in my opinion. Granted, I found those traits to be endearing rather than off-putting.

[Dirgegun]

StElmo wrote...

Bfler wrote...

I would have no problem with her, if they remove the naivety a bit. Then she would be the DA version of Tali.

Liara and Tali were both more naive in ME1 and ME2 respectively then Merrill is IMHO.

If anyone was 'close to a child' it would be Tali, considering we meet her while she's on her pilgrimage. The only thing that sorta saved her from that, though, is that they had her grow up very, very quickly by the time Mass Effect 2 rolled around. 

**I don't have anything against the Tali romance, but I just find it funny when people call Marrill a child when she doesn't seem child-like at all to me, while Tali was actually young in age and personality when Shepard first meets her. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:00 .

[jennamarae]

Seeming childlike doesn't always equate with being a child. With Merrill it has nothing to do with her physical appearance and everything to do with her thought process about some things. That doesn't make her a bad character, or badly written, and it doesn't mean she's a 12 year old. It just means that she hasn't had to grow up yet being as sheltered and secluded as she's been her entire life.

[iSignIn]

There is a perfect solution to this. Make your PC just as childlike and naive as their LI. Then they'd be perfect together, like Barbie and Ken.

[Dirgegun]

iSignIn wrote...

There is a perfect solution to this. Make your PC just as childlike and naive as their LI. Then they'd be perfect together, like Barbie and Ken.

....That gave me the terrible (...beauitful?) mental image of Merrill and Hawke as Barbie and Ken from Toy Story 3. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:02 .

[Han Shot First]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I know some people liked her but when she was your LI it felt ..... wrong if you know what I mean because they made her act so young. It may be just me but please don't do that again. Anyone agree

Agreed.

She looked like a 12 year old boy and acted like one as well. The 'achievement' for her romance should have been called The Sandusky.



Anyone who romanced Merrill is bad and should feel bad.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:18 .

[Tootles FTW]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I know some people liked her but when she was your LI it felt ..... wrong if you know what I mean because they made her act so young. It may be just me but please don't do that again. Anyone agree

I bolded the relevant part.  Not every love interest or character will be to your taste.  Luckily no one forces you to talk to them outside of quests, and certainly no one is forcing you to romance them.

[JerZey CJ]

Are people still on the whole "she looks like a kid" thing?

[Han Shot First]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Are people still on the whole "she looks like a kid" thing?

Yes, because she does look like one and she continues to act like one even though the events of the game span a decade.

A bad character design combined with lackluster character development, combine to make the Merrill romance creepy.

[John Epler]

Saying 'I wasn't a fan of Merrill' is okay.

Saying 'if you romanced her you're probably a pedophile', or at least heavily implying that - not okay.

So let's not do it.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Dirgegun wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Bfler wrote...

I would have no problem with her, if they remove the naivety a bit. Then she would be the DA version of Tali.

Liara and Tali were both more naive in ME1 and ME2 respectively then Merrill is IMHO.

If anyone was 'close to a child' it would be Tali, considering we meet her while she's on her pilgrimage. The only thing that sorta saved her from that, though, is that they had her grow up very, very quickly by the time Mass Effect 2 rolled around. 

**I don't have anything against the Tali romance, but I just find it funny when people call Marrill a child when she doesn't seem child-like at all to me, while Tali was actually young in age and personality when Shepard first meets her. 

I don't get this point. What did Tali do so young when Shepard and her first met?

Unless you mean throwing grenades around, actually killing a geth and stealing data from it and surviving despite being chased by a gang, then yeah I'm sure most youth do that all the time. /sarcasm

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:00 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

I don't think that Merril seemed too young. She just seemed naive - and there certainly are plenty of people around who have grown up in very sheltered circumstances, and end up, as adults, going out to the big world and having a very naive outlook, and behaving accordingly. There are also plenty of people who aren't very bright, and don't grow out of that naivety (though I'd not put Merril quite in that category).

So I didn't find the Merrill romance creepy at all - that someone would view it that way didn't even occur to me before reading some of the posts in this thread.

[randomcheeses]

It wasn't Merrill's young looking face that annoyed me, it was the fact that over seven years of being involved in a range of incredibly dangerous and complicated situations, her mental maturity never seemed to change. She started off immature and head in the clouds, which was fine, but still being that way seven years later made me wonder if she'd sustained a head wound right at the end of year one and never quite recovered.

[Iosev]

While there is no doubt that Merrill was inexperienced with much of the world outside of the Dalish, I personally thought that she purposefully acted clueless with some characters in order to get a reaction (or to avoid a useless debate). For example, in Mark of the Assassin, if Carver and Merrill accompany Hawke (and Merrill isn't in a relationship with Hawke), Carver will stumble clumsily over his words (about being "together"), after which Merrill will make a playful comment about the "hallway", with Carver eventually picking up on her on playfulness.

Secondly, in many conversations with Sebastian and Fenris, I personally see a contrast when she's serious, and when she almost seems like she's feigning ignorance, similar to how Isabela feigns shallowness (such as when Isabela avoids a discussion on mages with Anders).

Modifié par arcelonious, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:41 .