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[StElmo]

Blessed Silence wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I dunno why people think Merrill is a child, its just the accent: www.youtube.com/watch

It has nothing to do with the accent (at least for me).  The way she acts to things, and good lord, I look like I could break her she's so thin.

But yes, when I saw how she was drawn ... I thought of her as a child and my warning flags when up.  Never romanced her ever ever.  Cute as a little girl role though to my female Hawke.

IF YOU ROMANCED MERRIL YOU ARE A PEDOPHIOLE!

lol, she's an adult, how old are you like, 30 or 40 or something? I assumed she was about 23.

[Terrorize69]

StElmo wrote...

Blessed Silence wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I dunno why people think Merrill is a child, its just the accent: www.youtube.com/watch

It has nothing to do with the accent (at least for me).  The way she acts to things, and good lord, I look like I could break her she's so thin.

But yes, when I saw how she was drawn ... I thought of her as a child and my warning flags when up.  Never romanced her ever ever.  Cute as a little girl role though to my female Hawke.

IF YOU ROMANCED MERRIL YOU ARE A PEDOPHIOLE!

lol, she's an adult, how old are you like, 30 or 40 or something? I assumed she was about 23.

I think people who say that may aswell say if you play JRPGs your automatically a pedo   cause you know, chars like Rikku, Yuna etc etc make Merrill look mature.

[StElmo]

Terrorize69 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

 Please have another LI like Merril, if not Merril herself! And also add her twin sister.

Fixed, totally agree.

lol aw sum1 loves merrill.

But of course  how can you not love the welsh accent, intelligence, innocence, positive outlook, charm, kind and caring nature.

But only pedophiles like that! No, if you are not a sick monster, you must love buxom sex objects or something with massive boobs and a dark personality!

Otherwise it is a child you sick freak! I don't care if she fights in battle, makes self aware jokes of her own obliviousness, has a huge intellectual prowess of certain magics and is probably just sheltered elf in an unfamiliar enviroment - she is DEFINITELY a creepy romance and BioWare should be ashamed of themselves.

/sarcasm.

People are very shallow in their analasys of characters in this series. If you want to complain about actually sick games, go ring up Japan and make a real statement about disturbing game culture, instead of picking on a weak misconception.

[StElmo]

Terrorize69 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Blessed Silence wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I dunno why people think Merrill is a child, its just the accent: www.youtube.com/watch

It has nothing to do with the accent (at least for me).  The way she acts to things, and good lord, I look like I could break her she's so thin.

But yes, when I saw how she was drawn ... I thought of her as a child and my warning flags when up.  Never romanced her ever ever.  Cute as a little girl role though to my female Hawke.

IF YOU ROMANCED MERRIL YOU ARE A PEDOPHIOLE!

lol, she's an adult, how old are you like, 30 or 40 or something? I assumed she was about 23.

I think people who say that may aswell say if you play JRPGs your automatically a pedo   cause you know, chars like Rikku, Yuna etc etc make Merrill look mature.

Some games translated from Japan is actually quite a huge offender with wierd and sick allusions in their games - it's one reason I don't play Japanese games. BioWare is not that kind of developer. They aren't making dead or alive, they are making a character that reflects many real world people.

I know people my age that are like merrill in different ways, its not an uncommon personality for an adult. People who play too many videogames just think dark + boobs = mature, instead of, you know, actual personality.

Modifié par StElmo, 09 octobre 2012 - 03:14 .

[Knight Templar_]

I had no idea people viewed Merril as a child.

Absent minded yeah, but thats not the same thing.

[StElmo]

Knight Templar wrote...

I had no idea people viewed Merril as a child.

Absent minded yeah, but thats not the same thing.

They are probably trolls, but its fun to mock their silly opinions. People gotta put this effort into getting those SOME Japanese games to change their wierd children obsession. Instead of, you know, picking on a valid, canonically adult and well developed character from BioWare.

Modifié par StElmo, 09 octobre 2012 - 03:40 .

[Terrorize69]

It's funny... a lot of people view Liara as a child, yet so many romance her.. and not one shout out about them being pedos... strange..

[Cyberstrike nTo]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Even if I was inclined to romance Merrill, I wouldn't.

It's one thing to be naive. It's another to still be that way after living in Kirkwall for seven years.

Merrill is so thoroughly detached from reality at times that I'm tempted to think she has some sort of developmental disorder. Most of Hawke's innuendos and flirtations soar clear over her head. I struggle to believe that she even knows what sex is. I could never romance her because I'd feel like a predator.

But I don't think that Bioware is going to just rehash a character they already did, so I think we're fine.

+1

Everytime I romanced Merrill I got the impression that it was Merrill who wanted to have sex more than Hawke did, and that might because it is Merrill that pulls Hawke towards the bed, so I got the feeling that she is clearly the one in charage in that scene. She is also the one that at least IMHO that wants to be more than just friends or be treated like Hawke's (new) little sister.  

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 09 octobre 2012 - 03:31 .

[Fiacre]

StElmo wrote...

Knight Templar wrote...

I had no idea people viewed Merril as a child.

Absent minded yeah, but thats not the same thing.

They are probably trolls, but its fun to mock their silly opinions. People gotta put this effort into getting Japanese games to change their wierd children obsession. Instead of, you know, picking on a valid, canonically adult and well developed character from BioWare.

Generalizing all Japanese games and Japanese culture like this isn't much better, either. Now, excuse me while I go play some The Legend of Zelda...

[StElmo]

Fiacre wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Knight Templar wrote...

I had no idea people viewed Merril as a child.

Absent minded yeah, but thats not the same thing.

They are probably trolls, but its fun to mock their silly opinions. People gotta put this effort into getting Japanese games to change their wierd children obsession. Instead of, you know, picking on a valid, canonically adult and well developed character from BioWare.

Generalizing all Japanese games and Japanese culture like this isn't much better, either. Now, excuse me while I go play some The Legend of Zelda...

Fair point I should say SOME japanese games, my bad.!

[Asch Lavigne]

I liked Merrill. She's my canon LI. *gasp!* I also liked Fenris *gasp again* and hated Isabela (I always gave her to the Arishok), Anders and Sebastian, *gasp, gasp, gasp, faint*

[Travie]

I was more worried about her horrible design that made her look like a sea monster when you were in bed with her.

[Fiacre]

StElmo wrote...

Fiacre wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Knight Templar wrote...

I had no idea people viewed Merril as a child.

Absent minded yeah, but thats not the same thing.

They are probably trolls, but its fun to mock their silly opinions. People gotta put this effort into getting Japanese games to change their wierd children obsession. Instead of, you know, picking on a valid, canonically adult and well developed character from BioWare.

Generalizing all Japanese games and Japanese culture like this isn't much better, either. Now, excuse me while I go play some The Legend of Zelda...

Fair point I should say SOME japanese games, my bad.!

Mhm. Though I prefer not to judge. As long as no actual people are hurt, it's hardly my place to tell people what they are or aren't allowed to play, read, write, fantasize about, whatever.

Travie wrote...

I was more worried about her horrible design that made her look like a sea monster when you were in bed with her.

Yeah, that was a bit unfortunate. Particularly because the scene itself is really nice and romantic, but the odd proportions are... distracting.

Modifié par Fiacre, 09 octobre 2012 - 04:06 .

[Han Shot First]

Terrorize69 wrote...

It's funny... a lot of people view Liara as a child, yet so many romance her.. and not one shout out about them being pedos... strange..

A lot of people view Tali as being childish as well, and she also doesn't catch the same flak as Merrill.

The reason why neither Tali or Liara catch the same flak is that they both develop into more mature characters as the series progresses. Additionally both Tali and Liara had limits to their naivety even in the first game, and exhibit mature traits as well. Merrill on the other hand is almost entirely defined by her naivety and doesn't develop into a more mature character as the game progresses. Considering that DA2 spans a decade compared to the Mass Effect trilogy's four years, that is all the more damning for Merrill. To make matters worse she also has a character design that makes her look child-like, whereas Liara and Tali at least benefited from character designs that gave them bodies that looked like they belonged to adult women, rather than a pre-teen.

[Xilizhra]

Han Shot First wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

It's funny... a lot of people view Liara as a child, yet so many romance her.. and not one shout out about them being pedos... strange..

A lot of people view Tali as being childish as well, and she also doesn't catch the same flak as Merrill.

The reason why neither Tali or Liara catch the same flak is that they both develop into more mature characters as the series progresses. Additionally both Tali and Liara had limits to their naivety even in the first game, and exhibit mature traits as well. Merrill on the other hand is almost entirely defined by her naivety and doesn't develop into a more mature character as the game progresses. Considering that DA2 spans a decade compared to the Mass Effect trilogy's four years, that is all the more damning for Merrill. To make matters worse she also has a character design that makes her look child-like, whereas Liara and Tali at least benefited from character designs that gave them bodies that looked like they belonged to adult women, rather than a pre-teen.

I strongly suspect that there's plenty of character development in Merrill that you either missed or chose to miss. I admit that she never gave up on the Eluvian project, but I hardly see that as damning. She remains pleasant in personality, to be sure, and many of her mannerisms are consistent, but that doesn't denote actual naivete; that's something you brought up yourself.

As for Merrill's appearance... oh no, she's both short and slim, and thus anyone who enjoys those traits is a pedo! Or something.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 09 octobre 2012 - 05:18 .

[Fiacre]

Han Shot First wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

It's funny... a lot of people view Liara as a child, yet so many romance her.. and not one shout out about them being pedos... strange..

A lot of people view Tali as being childish as well, and she also doesn't catch the same flak as Merrill.

The reason why neither Tali or Liara catch the same flak is that they both develop into more mature characters as the series progresses. Additionally both Tali and Liara had limits to their naivety even in the first game, and exhibit mature traits as well. Merrill on the other hand is almost entirely defined by her naivety and doesn't develop into a more mature character as the game progresses. Considering that DA2 spans a decade compared to the Mass Effect trilogy's four years, that is all the more damning for Merrill. To make matters worse she also has a character design that makes her look child-like, whereas Liara and Tali at least benefited from character designs that gave them bodies that looked like they belonged to adult women, rather than a pre-teen.

Repeating the same false analysis of Merrill's character doesn't make it any more true than it was the first time. Neither does repeating that she look like a child, which she quite simply doesn't. She has lage eyes. That's pretty much it. Lots of women have large eyes. She certainly doesn't look like any twelve years old that I've ever seen. And she's a more mature woman than a lot of people I know -- people that are quite defitely not children any more and certainly have an active sex life (and felt the need to discuss it during class...).

Xilizhra wrote...

As for Merrill's appearance... oh no,
she's both short and slim, and thus anyone who enjoys those traits is a
pedo! Or something.

Funnily enough, I once had an art teacher built very much like Merrill -- a bit flatter, even, I'd say. She was at the very least in her late twenties and pregnant with her first child. So, yeah.

Modifié par Fiacre, 09 octobre 2012 - 05:23 .

[Terrorize69]

Han Shot First wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

It's funny... a lot of people view Liara as a child, yet so many romance her.. and not one shout out about them being pedos... strange..

A lot of people view Tali as being childish as well, and she also doesn't catch the same flak as Merrill.

The reason why neither Tali or Liara catch the same flak is that they both develop into more mature characters as the series progresses. Additionally both Tali and Liara had limits to their naivety even in the first game, and exhibit mature traits as well. Merrill on the other hand is almost entirely defined by her naivety and doesn't develop into a more mature character as the game progresses. Considering that DA2 spans a decade compared to the Mass Effect trilogy's four years, that is all the more damning for Merrill. To make matters worse she also has a character design that makes her look child-like, whereas Liara and Tali at least benefited from character designs that gave them bodies that looked like they belonged to adult women, rather than a pre-teen.

Difference is, Liara and Tali have the chance to mature over 3 games.

Merrill in DA2 is the ME1 version of Tali and Liara in terms of maturity etc. While DA2 does span a decade, we see very little that focuses on Merrills life as it progresses, unlike Tali and Liara who we see stumble and grow. Had we seen just as much content for Merrill, this may of well had a different outcome.

Tali's char design you don't see apart from a blurry pic, Liara.. looks very young.

Saying that, from convos Merrill has with others followers over the years, she clearly is no child nor has the mentality of one.

Naive to Human customes and culture, yes.

[Todd23]

Blessed Silence wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I dunno why people think Merrill is a child, its just the accent: www.youtube.com/watch

It has nothing to do with the accent (at least for me).  The way she acts to things, and good lord, I look like I could break her she's so thin.

But yes, when I saw how she was drawn ... I thought of her as a child and my warning flags when up.  Never romanced her ever ever.  Cute as a little girl role though to my female Hawke.

I'm in California, girls here are 4 ft. and all bone.  Except for a few 400 lbs.

[Karlone123]

I liked Merrill, she was sweet and tried being nice to everyone. I saw the relationship as Hawke being about 5 or 6 years older than Merrill. I theorize Merrill would have been 19 and Hawke's 25 at the start so it's a mixture of young and mature love.

[Kidd]

StElmo wrote...

They aren't making dead or alive, they are making a character that reflects many real world people.

I like Dead or Alive =( While the women in it may have bouncy mammaries, they are all competent characters who are full of agency, they do not break down in tears and rely on men to solve their problems, they do not act like children nor do they have victim complexes, they hold some of the most important roles in the overall plot and they make up the female part of the most equal gender distributed fighting game cast in any fighting game I've seen - whether of western or Japanese make. Literally, bouncing breasts and general sexy character design aside, this is among the better representations of women in Japanese games.

*breathes out* Sorry, had to get this off my chest. You've brought up DOA several times now. Stop 

[thats1evildude]

Given that elves age slower than humans, I wouldn't be surprised if Merrill was older than Hawke.

[Auintus]

Todd23 wrote...

I'm in California, girls here are 4 ft. and all bone.  Except for a few 400 lbs.

That...isn't good.

I'd also like to point out that she initiates the romance scene, for whatever that's worth.

[LobselVith8]

thats1evildude wrote...

Given that elves age slower than humans, I wouldn't be surprised if Merrill was older than Hawke.

Since Merrill was said to be the same age as the Dalish Warden, there was some discussion (a while back) about whether Merrill was actually older than Hawke.

[Overlord_Mephist]

I'd say Hawke has to be somewhere within 1-4 yrs older than Carver for that sibling rivalry

Modifié par Overlord_Mephist, 10 octobre 2012 - 07:37 .