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Siran wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Siran wrote...
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Plus, given that they are accustomed to bigger gravity than humans, they should do fine on standard gravity anyhow, so for all we know their suits limit them.


Just pointing out - established lore is that far from limiting them, the suits are the only thing keeping them alive in standard gravity. Their bodies are built to withstand high pressure, and in low pressure they'll actually rupture and pop. From the Wiki:

...in the low pressure atmospheres tolerable to most species, their flesh will actually split open.


That's why they use suits, yes. But who says these suits have to be limiting? Quarians have those, too, and they can fight just fine. We never know how the "normal" Quarian's suit would be like as usually every one has to be fit for defending one's own on the Pilgrimage.


But the quarians dont asplode when shot.

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Siran wrote...

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Siran wrote...

People quoting "the lore" always remind me of this. Maybe, just maaaybe in the face of total annihilation even a peaceful trader race can change its ways. They have suits that can be customized in whichever way (remember the Volus on Illium) like the Quarians, who can fight even though they are "fragile", too.

But nooo, it's not "in the lore!".


Sure, they can just decide to not be slower than a gimp tortoise.  Makes sense.  So what grade did you stop going to science class?  2nd?


Yeah, support your arguments with insults. Always a good way to prove you're right.

Maybe they got mechanical enhancements? You know, given they wear suits anyway, it should be no problem at all, to give them greater strength. Plus, given that they are accustomed to bigger gravity than humans, they should do fine on standard gravity anyhow, so for all we know their suits limit them. We don't see that many Volus in ME, who knows if there isn't some elite force there. They've been know to lend support troops to Turians as well. Couldn't do that if they were crawling like a turtle...


You shouldn't even try to argue with this guy; he's pretty ridiculous. I mean, this is the future where we can explode things with our minds and construct things out of thin air. There isn't anything unreasonable about a Volus being able to put up a fight. 

Also that science is just stupid; like science ever mattered in Mass Effect.

Also they'll probably use battle suits if anything. I just don't think they'd go to the trouble to make a whole new model.

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Ypiret wrote...

Also that science is just stupid; like science ever mattered in Mass Effect.


LOL.

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Descy_ wrote...

But the quarians dont asplode when shot.


Where does it say they explode? Quarians have emergency containments for breaches, Volus would have, too. And if that fails I'm guessing there's more damage than any suit or protection can withstand and they die just like anyone else, so that's not only a Volus only "problem".

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Rifneno wrote...

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Also that science is just stupid; like science ever mattered in Mass Effect.


LOL.


Do you actually think that even half the stuff that goes on in this game agrees with the laws of physics?

Also, I like how that was the one thing in my post you chose to acknowledge.

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Ypiret wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Also that science is just stupid; like science ever mattered in Mass Effect.


LOL.


Do you actually think that even half the stuff that goes on in this game agrees with the laws of physics?

Also, I like how that was the one thing in my post you chose to acknowledge.


It was just the only part I found amusing.  I always find it funny when people who suck at science think ME does too because so much stuff went over their heads.

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Rifneno wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Also that science is just stupid; like science ever mattered in Mass Effect.


LOL.


Do you actually think that even half the stuff that goes on in this game agrees with the laws of physics?

Also, I like how that was the one thing in my post you chose to acknowledge.


It was just the only part I found amusing.  I always find it funny when people who suck at science think ME does too because so much stuff went over their heads.


Yeah bro

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It's freaking awesome, is what it is.

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The tears of the anti-volus players are delicious.



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Rifneno wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Also that science is just stupid; like science ever mattered in Mass Effect.


LOL.


Do you actually think that even half the stuff that goes on in this game agrees with the laws of physics?

Also, I like how that was the one thing in my post you chose to acknowledge.


It was just the only part I found amusing.  I always find it funny when people who suck at science think ME does too because so much stuff went over their heads.


Looks like we have someone with a PhD in Mass Effect here :wizard:

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Rifneno wrote...

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People complaining about free content, wha--- right, it's BSN, how foolish of me to assume otherwise.


I always find it amusing when people complain about complaining. People that do it never, NEVER realize what hypocrites they are.

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Exactly - crap. Throw away soldiers for krogan.
And we expect the volus with their financial empire not to have some sort of defence? LOL


1. And the krogan were throwaway soldiers themselves. What's your point? That you don't think a race with violent tendencies and incredibly cellular regeneration/adaptive properties can't be great soldiers? Seems kind of insane to me.
2. Yes. It's called "hiring the turians." You can read about it in the lore. Which I highly recommend before whatever ridiculous thing you're going to say next.


1. I think any classes bioware want is fine with me. Vorcha were little more than vermin in ME2, hardly the type you'd want in specialised missions. Krogan at least have brains to go with muscle - Vorcha don't, Volus do. So yes Volus make more sense than Vorcha.

2. Yeah read it. So what? Volus don't fit with your version of Lore? *Yawn*

Looks like they found a few Volus who want to fight. But keep crying about it if it makes you happy.
If Volus are Fun I'll play it.

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Rifneno wrote...

Siran wrote...

People quoting "the lore" always remind me of this. Maybe, just maaaybe in the face of total annihilation even a peaceful trader race can change its ways. They have suits that can be customized in whichever way (remember the Volus on Illium) like the Quarians, who can fight even though they are "fragile", too.

But nooo, it's not "in the lore!".


Sure, they can just decide to not be slower than a gimp tortoise.  Makes sense.  So what grade did you stop going to science class?  2nd?


Could they not wear a suit that allows them to move faster? The artwork depicts an armoured volus suit, and you can almost make out what could be tank-tracks, or some sort of propulsion system on the bottom. That would be no more ridiculous than the daleks in doctor who are. If Bioware can produce some way for the Volus to overcome their physical limitations in a semi-realistic fashion, provided you discount the unlikliness of them serving on a strike force on another planet(something you have to do with most alien classes,quarians and geth fighting together, krogans and salarians, batarians and anyone else..), would you then be more in favour, or at least less offended by their inclusion? After all Mass Effect  is founded on the overcoming of physics and the suspension of disbelief. Is there definately no possible way Bioware cannot find a more feasable explanation to stay your disinclination for their inclusion?

I know you really don't want this, and I understand your point - I felt (much milder)similar things about the space ninjas, but they were lots of fun and we for the most part were quite happy to accept them on the grounds that they were varying shades of awesomeness. If they were large, round and out of breath then you would have likely felt the same for them as you do the Volus. If the Slayer had been shaped like a volus, that would not impede him from teleporting all over the map, nor would it have stopped him from using biotic abilities to charge back and forth like a cannon ball -  the only real difference is aesthetics, not the lore.

The truth is, fat people are percieved as funny. It is how they are portrayed in the media, to hear little trumpety music as they walk and to laugh when they fall over. To have a race that largely seems to feature as a stereotype of this enter what has been up until now a mostly serious evironment for multiplayer must be jarring to some of you. For some, it may detract from the immersion, and distance them from the cohesive experience of the core gameplay. However, try to realise that we have seen very little of the Volus race up until now, our pre-determined racial stereotypes are based upon a mere handful of characters, in non-combat environments. Had Bioware had one or two Volus characters portrayed in a different aspect, and perhaps showing them in combat, then maybe they would be so much more readily accepted, even though they would remain the same size and shape. It is partially the disparity between what we know  and what is unknown that is the fulcrum for such unrest.

For me, I don't think they would add a character without first exploring in-depth how they would work - they will most likely have thought long and hard about ways of making it believable as well as fun. Either way, we will only know when we download the DLC tomorrow. We may have differing opinions, but I salute your passion of the franchise - you obviously care a great deal about Mass Effect. I hope that things work out both for you and for everybody tomorrow. I will be happy either way, as I am easily pleased. :D

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My problem is not with the lore. Why would BioWare give us volus when we could have something much better? It would make me mad if they gave us one drell, 4 volus but no salarians. Having volus won't make me quite the game or go on some massive rampage here on BSN but it will disappointment me very much. I don't hate volus but lets face the facts some species just don't belong in MP.

You can call me butthurt all you want if volus come out. I will still enjoy Mass Effect even if I have to put up with having a volus on my team.

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This image is obviously totally bogus and anybody who thinks otherwise isn't paying attention. I have literally been back from over a month off this forum for 10 minutes and I know this. In the pic the only soldier is a Geth, but the only soldier that has ACTUALLY been announced is a Turian.

Although obviously most of the people claiming they believe this are trolls.

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Yes to volus - but make them very very weak for MP. They should be playable for most players on bronze difficulty, and near to impossible to play on gold (only elite players with X URs should be able to play volus on gold). And maybe give them a special skill - volus should increase the amount of credits received at the end of the mission.

The volus character should be a - joke. 4 different volus kits? Ridiculous, one is enough. I want to see more krogan, drell and turian.

Or... What about Yahgs???

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I can just imagine it now: Wave 10, a squad of Volus with typhoons and widows, surrounded by geth... XD

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K1LL STREAK wrote...

Could they not wear a suit that allows them to move faster? The artwork depicts an armoured volus suit, and you can almost make out what could be tank-tracks, or some sort of propulsion system on the bottom. That would be no more ridiculous than the daleks in doctor who are. If Bioware can produce some way for the Volus to overcome their physical limitations in a semi-realistic fashion, provided you discount the unlikliness of them serving on a strike force on another planet(something you have to do with most alien classes,quarians and geth fighting together, krogans and salarians, batarians and anyone else..), would you then be more in favour, or at least less offended by their inclusion? After all Mass Effect is founded on the overcoming of physics and the suspension of disbelief. Is there definately no possible way Bioware cannot find a more feasable explanation to stay your disinclination for their inclusion?


- You can't make out anything of the sort. Those little pictures are waist-up. Not that treads would do much good. Treads provide far less mobility than walking on legs. They can get stuck on things, and they're useless with stairs (let alone vaulting over cover).

- I've never seen Doctor Who. I can't vouch for their ability to keep things believable, but BW has done an excellent job with Mass Effect. Element Zero is pretty much the only major thing that's completely fictional and that's unavoidable. FTL travel is required for spacefaring fiction and any FTL travel is completely fictional. Aside from that, you'd be surprised how much of Mass Effect is based on real science or at least scientific theory. Quantum entanglement? Real. Dark energy and that entire dropped dark energy plot? Real scientific theory (The Big Rip). That freaky description about how the javelin works? Real. The descriptions of planets? Real enough to impress professional astronomers.

I could go on, but... actually, this has some great observations about the realism. For instance here's a good one: "I originally thought the loading screens in Mass Effect that depict the Normandy traveling between systems - the ones that show it using its built-in FTL drive with the red light heading "toward" the Normandy and the blue light heading "away" from it - were just a pretty cool effect. It wasn't until a few months later and I was rereading the Codex's entry on FTL drives and their appearance that I realized the light approaching the Normandy was being red-shifted by the mass effect field, and the light moving away from it was being blue shifted, exactly as it was described in the Codex. The sheer level of detail and dedication to internal consistency in the game's very loading screens blew my mind." Another fun one: "At first, I thought Jack's character design was too over the top. Then I learned that it is common for abuse survivors to get tattoos and piercings as a way to reassert control over their own body, and it all made perfect sense."

It's a crying shame that so many people think Mass Effect's realism and science isn't very good. That's one of the biggest reasons I love this series.

- I'd be fine with it if they gave a satisfactory explanation. I just don't see how it's possible. Did you know that volus have been part of the Citadel for 2,700 years? 2,700 years! They were the third race there this cycle, only a few hundred years behind the asari and salarians. And do you know why they don't hold a Council seat? Because they can't provide adequate military aid in times of need, which is expected of all Council races. Now here's my point... if they've been denied the coveted Council seat that they, that every species, wants so much, don't you think they would have overcome their limitations by now if it was at all possible for them to do so?

I know you really don't want this, and I understand your point - I felt (much milder)similar things about the space ninjas, but they were lots of fun and we for the most part were quite happy to accept them on the grounds that they were varying shades of awesomeness. If they were large, round and out of breath then you would have likely felt the same for them as you do the Volus. If the Slayer had been shaped like a volus, that would not impede him from teleporting all over the map, nor would it have stopped him from using biotic abilities to charge back and forth like a cannon ball - the only real difference is aesthetics, not the lore.


Space ninjas only bothered me until I found out that there's also realism behind their sword nonsense. They use monomolecular blades. Monomolecular blades are something we haven't been able to create in real life (well, ones that don't break if you breathe too hard) but are solid theory. And they're indescribably sharp. This is why they can cut through virtually anything. In fact, if you look back at the krogan codex in ME1, you'll see mention of them being vulnerable to monomolecular blades.

For me, I don't think they would add a character without first exploring in-depth how they would work - they will most likely have thought long and hard about ways of making it believable as well as fun. Either way, we will only know when we download the DLC tomorrow. We may have differing opinions, but I salute your passion of the franchise - you obviously care a great deal about Mass Effect. I hope that things work out both for you and for everybody tomorrow. I will be happy either way, as I am easily pleased.


And I sincerely thank you for making an intelligent response to the debate. :)

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MajorKellyRisner wrote...

I can just imagine it now: Wave 10, a squad of Volus with typhoons and widows, surrounded by geth... XD


My Volus will use Widow + Claymore or Typhoon + Javelin, especially the Sentinel.

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I dont hate the Volus but I think it is a stupid idea. Seriously their culture basically got rid of warfare and now we are using them on the front lines? They are a protectorate for a reason. I dont care if you give them a suit, they naturally are not fit for combat. They are pudgy, slow and any rupture to their suit and they are completely boned. They require high pressure and an atomosphere that is unbreathable by other species so they are a big liability from a logical standpoint.

Like I said, I dont hate the Volus (though they are annoying and I beat them up whenever possible) I just find the idea of them being in the MP a horrid idea. They just dont fit in any sense of the word.

That being said if it is actually true its one more set of toons I just wont use (I hate Krogan because well I just suck with them, lumbering hulks of death are nice but I just dont get their mechanics).

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Hey, when hell is coming to the entire universe, everyone's gotta get out there with a gun ;)

I, for one, will support our new volus overlords if they are indeed going to be in the MP. All-Volus teams in particular would be awesome.

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I can smell their *Ffssssssttt* GREATNESS!

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DamonD7 wrote...

Hey, when hell is coming to the entire universe, everyone's gotta get out there with a gun ;)

I, for one, will support our new volus overlords if they are indeed going to be in the MP. All-Volus teams in particular would be awesome.


Naturally they'd fight back when attacked.  The objection isn't that they would just sit back and die, it's that they're not capable of doing the kinds of missions we do in MP.  We play the best of the best.  Krogan battlemasters, asari justicars, salarian STG, N7s, we've got the biggest badasses in the galaxy and our missions are designed around giving them a major challenge.  MP missions require more than just being able to pull a trigger.


darthnick427 wrote...

I can smell their *Ffssssssttt* GREATNESS!



I can smell their greatness alright.  It smells like shortly after Taco Bell night on Tuchanka.

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Someone do an intersect graph. I want to know how many Nerfers are anti-volus as well.

That way I know how many finger points and raspberries to dish out.

Next nerf fest, perhaps they'll remember the pain. But i doubt it. By then they'll love the volus and forget all this.

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I don't mind Volus, i just want Protheans or Yagh, or even....Elcor

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Rifneno wrote...

DamonD7 wrote...

Hey, when hell is coming to the entire universe, everyone's gotta get out there with a gun ;)

I, for one, will support our new volus overlords if they are indeed going to be in the MP. All-Volus teams in particular would be awesome.


Naturally they'd fight back when attacked.  The objection isn't that they would just sit back and die, it's that they're not capable of doing the kinds of missions we do in MP.  We play the best of the best.  Krogan battlemasters, asari justicars, salarian STG, N7s, we've got the biggest badasses in the galaxy and our missions are designed around giving them a major challenge.  MP missions require more than just being able to pull a trigger.


darthnick427 wrote...

I can smell their *Ffssssssttt* GREATNESS!



I can smell their greatness alright.  It smells like shortly after Taco Bell night on Tuchanka.


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