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Epique Phael767

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 Huntrers are by far the worst of the bunch. If you're in the open with no useful cover around, you're basically screwed. I play as a Paladin and it usually goes like this: hunter shot hits from nowhere -> I see it and use energy drain -> stunned, shields drop -> try ED again -> stunned, dropped to low health -> try ED AGAIN -> stunned, downed, every frickin' time! They either need a damage nerf or a decreased clip-size to compensate for their 100% stun probability on most classes, and what's more is most of the time they can shoot straight through my omnishield. And while this is happening, pyros and troopers have closed in and there is no escape.

This is not "challenging" as some people like to argue, this is cheap. I feel cheated. Sure, it makes up for their lack of insta-kill, but enemies with insta-kills have to be in close proximity (ignoring magnet hands) and don't do it all the time. I'm on an analogue TV, I can't see hunters very well, not like it matters if I could, because they'll just stunlock me from range and kill me all the time and every time, making it an imbalanced sync-kill replacement.

Next on the list are the rocket drones who can be worse than the hunters. I wish I had these guys' dexterity. I've seen them firing missiles while facing the opposite direction, while rolling, through  cover, and before they even spawn. I could ignore all of that if they didn't do it constantly, and guess what? The missiles stun you as well until a hunter comes near and you know the rest. I find it silly how they've been missile glitching since day one and still haven't been fixed. More cheap difficulty, and no "challenge" whatsoever.

And then there are the primes. They aren't as overpowered as the rocket trooper and hunter, but despite being bosses, they seem over-the-top. They have pulse cannons that will fire in three-round stunlocking bursts that will curve around and through some walls and can be fired cross-map. They can also infinetly spawn turrets, sometimes through walls that seem to down me more than the cerberus ones, and cerby engineers can only lay one of those a piece. And if this isn't enough, theirl little drone is fixed that telepathically announces your cloaked location and also stuns you. They aren't as bad as the hunters because they are easily visible, move slower, and less of them spawn at once, but they still ruin your games by using their infini-turrets. The argument for their turrets is that they are used to flush us from cover because the geth lack grenades. well, this arguement would actually work if the geth weren't getting the Geth Bomber, and if like grenades the turrets presence was broadcasted to everyone, which it is not and you won't know it is there until you and half of your squad is downed.

Some of you will probably read this and completely disregard all of it thinking "Oh, he's just a butthurt FBW/G/G farmer who wants the challenge to be gone so he can play easy-mode." This is not the case. I never stay in geth lobbies if I can help it, and if I get dropped into a game-in-progress I refuse to stay behind the counters or in the corner outside the room. I actually tactically move around the map thinning their number little by little and know when to take cover or retreat and still get downed every single time to stunlock.

The final argument I will cover is the one where people say to just be well-equipped. What if I don't want to be a Krogan or Batarian? You don't have to be a special race to take down the other two factions, why should the geth be so special? Sure, they are the only synthetic faction and are expected to be different from the other two, but not as radically so as they are. If I'm in a good lobby against the reapers or cerberus, I'll only go down two or three times per game in gold. against the geth? about twenty. What's worse is that I'm paying a class with Energy Drain and every enemy should be a walking battery, right? Not at all. As I've already said, stunlock prevents you from using powers period, and when I can ED an enemy, my shieldgate isn't restored with my shields as immediately and I get stunned and downed anyway, which is even  more cheap because when the best plan works, it still fails. Geth silver should not feel like gold and geth gold should not feel like putting your tongue on an electric fence.

TL;DR The geth are bad and will make you feel bad if you play them. They need nerfed soon to make them playable again.

Edit: typos

Modifié par Epique Phael767, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:12 .


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kil_edward93

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I solo Geth Silver with my Paladin all the time.
Specced for Snap Freeze and Energy Drain.
Geth really aren't that bad, just need to get a good system going.

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kil_edward93 wrote...

I solo Geth Silver with my Paladin all the time.
Specced for Snap Freeze and Energy Drain.
Geth really aren't that bad, just need to get a good system going.

I f you can solo the geth, more power to you. However, most people in gold lobbies who don't farm get wiped 75% of the time from what I've seen. If four average players can't do the job of one good one, then something is wrong to me. Yes, it's gold and it should be challenging, but not cheap as I have said.

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I particularly love it when a Prime I can't see, around a corner to, say, the right, fires a plasma burst at me, in cover behind a corner to the left. And the shots somehow zig-zag past both corners to stun me out of my cover.

Oh, but my real appreciation is for those precious moments when a Geth Hunter hits me from 30 yards away with both shots while I'm sprinting in tactical cloak, with pinpoint accuracy. The only thing better is when there's more than one!

Though it's admittedly hard to choose between that and peeking around a corner to a rocket in the face, with another one already in the air to follow it, and yet another in the process of being launched. Oh, how I laugh when I see the single Rocket Trooper responsible.

And let's not forget those postcard moments when you happen to be standing near a tiny gap in cover when a group of Geth spawn across from it. After all, that's why you bring MediGel, right?

Geth are so special.

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kil_edward93 wrote...

I solo Geth Silver with my Paladin all the time.
Specced for Snap Freeze and Energy Drain.
Geth really aren't that bad, just need to get a good system going.


The fact that you think it's an accomplishment to solo geth silver with a character that's good against them shows that are, in fact, that bad.

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Epique Phael767

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Sihmm wrote...

I particularly love it when a Prime I can't see, around a corner to, say, the right, fires a plasma burst at me, in cover behind a corner to the left. And the shots somehow zig-zag past both corners to stun me out of my cover.

Oh, but my real appreciation is for those precious moments when a Geth Hunter hits me from 30 yards away with both shots while I'm sprinting in tactical cloak, with pinpoint accuracy. The only thing better is when there's more than one!

Though it's admittedly hard to choose between that and peeking around a corner to a rocket in the face, with another one already in the air to follow it, and yet another in the process of being launched. Oh, how I laugh when I see the single Rocket Trooper responsible.

And let's not forget those postcard moments when you happen to be standing near a tiny gap in cover when a group of Geth spawn across from it. After all, that's why you bring MediGel, right?

Geth are so special.

Obviously they are since the devs have given them such a huge handicap.

Modifié par Epique Phael767, 08 octobre 2012 - 03:24 .


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I will deal with all geth foot trooper..
but as long as current Geth Prime stand proud and tall with its cheapness, I will never fully admire BW ME3 MP balance team.

I posted something similar before here on my hate about Geth prime.
http://social.biowar.../index/14374882

I really hope their dirty pulse cannon gets fixed.
I also feel like my shield recharge dealy is extremely long after pulse cannon shot wipes it out... some kind of EMP effect?

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I love watching Primes curveball their shots around corners

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kil_edward93 wrote...

I solo Geth Silver with my Paladin all the time.
Specced for Snap Freeze and Energy Drain.
Geth really aren't that bad, just need to get a good system going.


Paladin is one of the strongest classes in the entire game vs Geth right now.  Part of the problem with Geth is that a select few classes/loadouts make them hilariously easy, but most classes have to fight them uphill in the rain.  Both ways.  Carrying a sack of rocks.  And no shoes.

Interestingly one might make a similar observation about Phantoms.

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Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I will deal with all geth foot trooper..
but as long as current Geth Prime stand proud and tall with its cheapness, I will never fully admire BW ME3 MP balance team.

I posted something similar before here on my hate about Geth prime.
http://social.biowar.../index/14374882

I really hope their dirty pulse cannon gets fixed.
I also feel like my shield recharge dealy is extremely long after pulse cannon shot wipes it out... some kind of EMP effect?

I'm not sure about the emp effect, but I do know the pulde cannon needs to be either toned down, or stun removed.

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Dachau Joseph wrote...

I love watching Primes curveball their shots around corners


Geth Primes: the last shotbenders?

<insert hilarious Avatar photoshop>

Modifié par Sihmm, 08 octobre 2012 - 03:27 .


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Sihmm wrote...

kil_edward93 wrote...

I solo Geth Silver with my Paladin all the time.
Specced for Snap Freeze and Energy Drain.
Geth really aren't that bad, just need to get a good system going.


Paladin is one of the strongest classes in the entire game vs Geth right now.  Part of the problem with Geth is that a select few classes/loadouts make them hilariously easy, but most classes have to fight them uphill in the rain.  Both ways.  Carrying a sack of rocks.  And no shoes.

Interestingly one might make a similar observation about Phantoms.

I could make a longer OP about phantoms, but I'll save that for a different time.

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Dachau Joseph wrote...

I love watching Primes curveball their shots around corners

The funny thing is, enemies easily dodge our curved powers, but our dodges are ineffective due to their accuracy/precision.

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Well I can't say I have had that problem. Hunters are the worst, and I will agree that the geth are easily the toughest faction. But the cheap shots I have not run into (Zig zagging shots you describe.)

Now what gets me is how powerful the pulse rifle of a geth is, one volley will usually down my shields or barrier, but if I do a mere burst on some shielded enemy with mine, it goes nowhere near that far.

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weaselshep wrote...

Now what gets me is how powerful the pulse rifle of a geth is, one volley will usually down my shields or barrier, but if I do a mere burst on some shielded enemy with mine, it goes nowhere near that far.


Geth Infiltrator or Engineer using a GPR with Warp ammo, Targeting VI and Densified Ammunition will chew through infantry with it.

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Ashen Earth wrote...

weaselshep wrote...

Now what gets me is how powerful the pulse rifle of a geth is, one volley will usually down my shields or barrier, but if I do a mere burst on some shielded enemy with mine, it goes nowhere near that far.


Geth Infiltrator or Engineer using a GPR with Warp ammo, Targeting VI and Densified Ammunition will chew through infantry with it.


Holy crap, a GI with an assload of consumables will chew through mooks?!

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Rifneno wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

weaselshep wrote...

Now what gets me is how powerful the pulse rifle of a geth is, one volley will usually down my shields or barrier, but if I do a mere burst on some shielded enemy with mine, it goes nowhere near that far.


Geth Infiltrator or Engineer using a GPR with Warp ammo, Targeting VI and Densified Ammunition will chew through infantry with it.


Holy crap, a GI with an assload of consumables will chew through mooks?!


Moreso due to being a Geth than an Infiltrator. Geth Engineer can do it too, and I suspect the Geth Soldier will be able to. It's a decent sidearm for either class.

What, you expected a boss killer at 0.5 weight?

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We're listening. We've made a few comments lately that we are aware that Geth are not the most fun right now, and that we're planning adjustments but haven't decided what those will be yet.

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That feeling when you get three rockets to the face.

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Hm

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Look on the brightside; We get Geth Platinum without Reapers or Cerberus, and less cash!

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Geth and stunlock are synonyms. Fix that statement Bioware!

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Chris Schanche wrote...

We're listening. We've made a few comments lately that we are aware that Geth are not the most fun right now, and that we're planning adjustments but haven't decided what those will be yet.

Your going to make atlas's fire 3 rockets in a second now also and Maruders still shoot at you while in stasis/pull/singularity to compensate for other factions?

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The only thing I'd do to Geth right now is lower the Hunters' fire rate. I see way too many people going down from fighting a single Geth Hunter.

Primes are a bit iffy. While I personally don't have much of a problem with them, 3 at a time seems excessive given Geth ability for stagger and stunlocking now that their Combat Drones work.

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In a non-platinum game, wave 4 gets absolutely no Geth Primes.

Period and voila, a much easier Geth on Gold.