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[Direwolf0294]

I'd like to see more forms. DA:O didn't feel like it had enough.

I'd also like to see humanoid versions of the form. What I mean by that is the option to instead of turning into a wolf you turn into a creature that's more like a werewolf. Instead of turning into a bear you turn into a werebear type creature. Instead of turning into a drake (because drake/dragon form should be available) you turn into some sort of human/dragon hybrid creature.

[finalcabbage]

It would have been neat if Hawke could turn into an actual hawk and rips dude's faces off. Bit of a lost opportunity there if you ask me. Funny-Hawke could have made inappropriate jokes afterwards.

[DarthLaxian]

well, i would want both options (fast shifting for a single attack or sustained if my mage is really forced into close combat for example or is the "last man standing" if my party got knocked out and mana is low, so i can fight in close combat while having extra abilities (like world of warcraft druid!) depending on the form and having additional attributes i gain from the form (hp, hp-regeneration and armor for bear for example, stealth etc. for wolf or similar (would like a cat form) etc...we could also use a "reconaissance" form (a form which enemies ignore if you are carefull and do not step on their toes) etc.

channeling spirits (like the spirit-healer does, but for attack, defense etc. would be nifty, too!)

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[Sylvanpyxie]

I like sustained shape-shifting, personally.

I still play Hordes of the Underdark a lot, Neverwinter Nights expansion, and my latest character was probably my 6th or 7th Shifter and having to ability to turn into some of the most powerful monsters in the game is still fulfilling and totally awesome.

Problem with Origins was the fact that Shape-Shifting kind of got shafted. The forms were weak, with limited abilities and poor auto attack damage, the scaling was broken which only nerfed damage further, and the forms were so... Unimaginative. Spider, Wolf, Bear... Really?

This franchise has Dragons, Drakes, Arcane Horrors, Golems, Revenants, Shades, Ghouls, Wyverns, Ogres and Treants(and Werewolves), and Bioware choose basic animal forms for shape shifting...? *Facepalm*

It would be an incredible specialization if a little more effort and imagination went into it.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:52 .

[Zombie_Alexis]

I want better shapeshifting as well and fully support this. I'd also like neat little advantages like being able to get in areas you normally would not be able to go -- kind of like turning into the Mouse or Spirit in the Fade in DA:O, but being able to do that outside of the Fade. I'd love to be able to do some stealth as a Mage in animal form.

[Wulfram]

The OP is a decent suggestion, but it makes the shapeshifting only a matter of style.

Doing sustained shapeshifting on the other hand tends to have major balance issues.
You can't have mages being able to become capable of outfighting the fighter at the wave of a hand, but if they're too much weak then shapeshifting starts to look pointless.
Logically you'd expect shapeshifting to overwrite physical stats, but allowing that tends to cause major balance issues too.
Shapeshifting should allow you to fly, but allowing that really isn't practical unless the game is already written to assume you can fly.

[Kidd]

I'd love for shapeshifts to be something you could tap into when your mana is running low. Something like,

Self: Mana or stamina >= 50% | Deactivate Mode: Shapeshift (some creature)
Self: Mana or stamina =< 10% | Activate Mode: Shapeshift (some creature)

That way the mage could auto-attack in shapeshifted form until enough mana has come back. At that point, they'd revert to human form to cast their devastating spells.

The problem with that is how we only have place for mana -or- stamina on the UI. Unless that design paradigm is changed, this would disable us from having any abilities while in shapeshifted form.

[Wulfram]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

The problem with that is how we only have place for mana -or- stamina on the UI. Unless that design paradigm is changed, this would disable us from having any abilities while in shapeshifted form.

Or the abilities could not use up any stamina/mana.  Of course that could be difficult to keep balanced, but it could work.  Give them a long enough cooldown that you'd be better off shifting back to human rather than waiting it out, maybe.

Modifié par Wulfram, 08 octobre 2012 - 04:21 .

[hexaligned]

I like your suggestions OP, but SS was viable in origins, you just couldn't build your character like a standard mage. I wouldn't have a problem with it just be implemented as it was before. (the cast times could stand to get reduced though.)

[Swordfishtrombone]

I like the idea of short duration shape shifting into very powerful forms with specific capabilities. Maybe not as short as for one attack, but rather something like 5 seconds, upgradable through some skill to 10-15 seconds. You could make the forms you shapeshift into very powerful indeed, and then maybe give some sort of a fatigue-penalty for the mage after he/she reverts to human form.

[vortex216]

i liked sustained shapeshifting, although it took too long to transform and the animals were a little weak

[Atlanth]

It would also be really cool if shapeshifting would somehow affect questlines. Like, if you are a shapeshifter and have to infiltrate the Circle or something, then you could turn into a raven and do so as an alternative way instead of fighting your way through or persuading the templars to let you in. Come to think of it, something like that would be really cool for any specialization.

[Swordfishtrombone]

Atlanth wrote...

It would also be really cool if shapeshifting would somehow affect questlines. Like, if you are a shapeshifter and have to infiltrate the Circle or something, then you could turn into a raven and do so as an alternative way instead of fighting your way through or persuading the templars to let you in. Come to think of it, something like that would be really cool for any specialization.

Yes, that would be great indeed - to have you be able to use class specific skills to solve questlines in unique ways.
Somehow I suspect though that implementing that would be more work than they can afford. 

[Atlanth]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

Atlanth wrote...

It would also be really cool if shapeshifting would somehow affect questlines. Like, if you are a shapeshifter and have to infiltrate the Circle or something, then you could turn into a raven and do so as an alternative way instead of fighting your way through or persuading the templars to let you in. Come to think of it, something like that would be really cool for any specialization.

Yes, that would be great indeed - to have you be able to use class specific skills to solve questlines in unique ways.
Somehow I suspect though that implementing that would be more work than they can afford. 

You think? Some of the other games do it too and it would make any future game more attractive. Besides, I do not think it would be that much more work. Would be great if some of the devs told us if it's feasible at least...

[Wulfram]

The problem with turning into a raven to solve a quest is then annoying pedants like me will start asking why our PC didn't turn into a raven for all the many many other quests where that would be useful.

[finalcabbage]

If I recall correctly there are two quests in DA1 that require steal and/or stealth as a skill in order to complete. One deals with the brief appearance of a dude in the mage's circle and the other takes place in Denerim. So it's not like quests tied to certain abilities are unprecedented or even that hard to implement.

[shapeshifter93]

Shapeshifting or die

[LOLandStuff]

Bioware should add Necromancy because there's been a lot of people necrothreading these days.

[BlazingSpeed]

All Bioware has to do is what the Combat Tweaks and Extended Shape shifting mods for DA:O did.

Combat Tweaks allowed sustainable spells like Spell Shield to stay up while running around as a spider.

Extended Shapeshifting had much better forms that were granted once the PC killed a certain number of darkspawn and Bosses to win the Ogre shape.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I have a few ideas about shapeshifting.

In that, we should make it more dynamic and interesting with in game consequences.

Once we started the specialization questline, we will be a single spell called Analyze and a ritual.

Now in order to, say unlock wolf form, we have to :-

1) Cast the Analyze spell on sufficient number of live wolves. Analyze is a spell that allows the player to analyze the wolf, its form, how it acts & move. Naturally, this cannot be dones in one go so multiple casting on different types of wolves is required

2)Harvest the essence of a wolf. By this I mean harvest a wolf's pelt and its heart and use it in for the ritual you have been given.

& voila ! You have unlocked a shapeshifting form.

In order to level up you just use the form a lot. In other words, you will be a better wolf if you exist and fight as a wolf longer.

This applies to any and all animals in Thedas. This process varies depending on the creature you wish to shapeshift into. For example, it will be harder if you want to unlock dragon form / drake form as opposed to bear form.

This means the player has a free reign in choosing what they wish to shapeshift into.

Obviously the shapeshifting questline will involve you having to learn some basic forms such as wolf and mouse. The others the player can discover for themselves.

Also, shapeshifting attributes are determind by magic & willpower instead of strength, constitution & dexterity. It only makes sense. Additionally, each form gives both a passive and active boost to the character. Mouse form increases dexterity and allows you to be stealthy. Bear form increases you strength and armor. Insect Swarm form increases missile deflection and nature and poison resistance, etc.

Each and every form will have its own pros and cons. That way each and every form will have its relevance. One will not be fully better than another. Say if we can shapeshift into a sylvan, we get massive boost to nature resistance, armor and attack but we get a malus to fire resistance since sylvans are vulnerable to fire. By contrast mouse form is very weak to all forms of attack but you gain a high level of stealth which allows you to sneak and scout an area. If we can shapeshift into dragons, we will still have some form of weakness like weakness to frost and some malus to missle deflection because its a dragon, a damn big target which can be hit easily by bows but we get massive melee boost, fire abilities, stun roar, etc.

Furthermore, for each form you learn you get a resistance from their attacks and some will not attack you. Say if you have mastered the wolf form, you gain resistance from wolf attacks and low level wolves recognize you as their kin / acknowlege you so they will not attack you.

This way, each specialization is unique, it is up to the player to unlock what specialization they choose, it is up to them to upgrade which one they choose, each specialization has its own pros and cons and each is powerful in its own way.

Modifié par The Sin, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:04 .