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[Sable Rhapsody]

MillKill wrote...
I prefer characters that dislike or disagree with the PC. It makes for great conflict and conflict is the heart of interesting stories, not ego-stroking.

There is a balancing act here for the writers.  Disagreeable people IRL are just not fun to be around, and that extends to in-game characters to a certain extent.  If I find a character unbearable, I'm probably not going to bring them around, no matter what they have to say.

But it's very possible to have a character that disagrees with the PC, while still being an enjoyable character for the PLAYER.  The rivalry path relationships in DA2 did this fairly well IMO, and there are some characters in DA:O with similar arcs.  Sten, Shale, and Morrigan are all cranky, disagreeable, or downright antagonistic to the Warden at points, but it made earning their respect and friendship all the more worthwhile.  

To a certain degree ME2 did this with the loyalty conflicts (Miranda Lawson vs. Jack, Tali vs. Legion) if you didn't resolve them with persuade options, but it's still pretty weak.

[Arthur Cousland]

The only thing that I didn't like about Fenris is that he was a warrior fighting on the front lines in tights and didn't wear shoes.  Warriors shouldn't look like ballerinas.

As for his personality, he had his reasons to think like he did.  He was no where near as "whiny" as Anders, who I wanted to muzzle on many occasions.

[NedPepper]

Huntress wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

I found Fenris to be rather one note. Anders was infinitely more interesting. And I never really felt like Fenris wanted to hang out with Hawke. He hated Aveline, Merril, and Anders. I guess he tolerated Varric. (It's hard not to like Varric.) The only character he really got along with was Isabella.

Out of all of the characters in the franchise, not seeing Fenris again won't actually bother me.

Omg please just stop, Fenris didn't hate Aveline, Aveline put guards in fenris door helping him to keep the place, he attack Merril because she thinks she walks in air and yet what is she? a blood mage who think is above all the other elves because she is dalish and is going to be fooled by a demon, wich it may or may not happens but if it does happen then she is the cause of the destruction her own people.
excuse me but the only thing Fenris is doing to her is opening her eyes and showing her that she is one step closer to become another Danarious: a vicious self centered blood mage.

About hating Anders.. he does but why? because anders with all his knowledge about the fade and spirits still is possesed by one and on top of that he try to defend his doing as it was nothing and pointing to Merril of what could become.. ironic isn't he? when in fact he in one moment of rage could destroy kirkwall.

Fenris doens't like mages in general because any minute one of them could be the cause of great pain and suffering and fenris knows of that all too well.

I like both Character Anders and Fenris they are both right and yet so very wrong.

To respond to both angry people....it's just the feeling I got.  There was respect between Aveline and Fenris, but as far as the dysfuntional family went, Fenris felt like the odd man out.  Just my observation.

And I'm way too ambivalent about Fenris to get into an argument about it.  He's just kind of there.  He was a powerful warrior, (although I'm not sure I want to call him a tank)and good to have in your party.   Other than that...he's kind of like Sebastian.  He never really struck a chord with me.  Great VO, though.  He's just kind of there.  Don't really have much more to say on it.

Anders, Merrill, Varric, Isabella, Aveline and Carver (or Bethany) were all much more satisfying to me.

[Mello]

Melca36 wrote...

Since we have a post about Merrill  and Anders. I figured Fenris deserves one too.

He whined and bellowed just as much as Anders did but most of the fans excuse it.

He was horribly malicious to Merrill.

I think his viciousness towards Merrill was the reason I came to dislike him. I did kill Danarius though. I may have disliked the character but I couldn't send him back to Danarius.

Everybody whined and ****ed. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

nedpepper wrote...
And I'm way too ambivalent about Fenris to get into an argument about it.  He's just kind of there.  He was a powerful warrior, (although I'm not sure I want to call him a tank)and good to have in your party.   Other than that...he's kind of like Sebastian.  He never really struck a chord with me.  Great VO, though.  He's just kind of there.  Don't really have much more to say on it.

Anders, Merrill, Varric, Isabella, Aveline and Carver (or Bethany) were all much more satisfying to me.

TBH now I'm curious as to why you were so meh on Fenris.  He seems to be one of those characters who everyone either loves or hates, and I've found very few people who are ambivalent on him.  He and Sebatian are optional recruits who aren't critical to the plot--is that part of it?

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 10 octobre 2012 - 03:44 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

fennris is a uber emo

[NedPepper]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

nedpepper wrote...
And I'm way too ambivalent about Fenris to get into an argument about it.  He's just kind of there.  He was a powerful warrior, (although I'm not sure I want to call him a tank)and good to have in your party.   Other than that...he's kind of like Sebastian.  He never really struck a chord with me.  Great VO, though.  He's just kind of there.  Don't really have much more to say on it.

Anders, Merrill, Varric, Isabella, Aveline and Carver (or Bethany) were all much more satisfying to me.

TBH now I'm curious as to why you were so meh on Fenris.  He seems to be one of those characters who everyone either loves or hates, and I've found very few people who are ambivalent on him.  He and Sebatian are optional recruits who aren't critical to the plot--is that part of it?

I just think he's rather one note.  I don't think the character was fleshed out as well as others.  He was the tool for the anti-mage side of an argument.  Characters created merely to present a viewpoint tend to be boring.  There was potential, don't get me wrong.  I don't even think they came close to to delving into what it meant to have those tattoos.  He gave an interesting view of Tevinter, but...the whole, whiny, mages are scum act never really progressed beyond just that.  There was no growth to the character.  But again, it could have been worse if he didn't have such a killer voice actor.  He just never came up to that Bioware standard.  For me, at least.

And you're right.  Great Bioware characters are either love or hate.  There's very few Bioware characters I'm ambivalent about.  But Fenris just doesn't do anything for me.  I don't hate emotional characters.  The whole emo thing has nothing to with it.  (I like Anders, and he's a whiner too.) It's feels like an archetype of a character that was never fleshed out.   He was like Sten without the kittens and the cookies.  But THAT is what made Sten so memorable.  Fenris didn't have that.   There were moments where he's tolerable.  The whole, I can't read thing was a step in the right direction.  Frankly, he was just completely underwritten.  Just my opinion.

A friend of mine just started playing Dragon Age 2.  And she loves the game, except for the fact that she says as a straight girl, there are no romances for her.  She likes the design of Fenris, but she's just...meh...about him as a character.  (And Anders started to grate on her nerves...poor guy...)  So, I'm not alone on my take it or leave it Fenris stance. 

[Little Queen]

Fenris is one of my favorites, and honestly he is not an emo he is a ex slave. I really do wonder if everyone else would be a happy bunny all the time after an expirience like this? I sure wouldnt, but maybe thats just me. And no one really can blame him for being honest to the mages. right? so all in all i would like to have a character like him in da3. 

Modifié par Little Queen, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:06 .

[connnnor93]

I want to see all DA:2 companions in 3
I think Fenris was a great character and I liked always hearing his opinion on the mages.

I for one loved DA:2.
Maybe even more than origins and I won't deny it.
I want to see a continued story of Hawke and maybe just some tie ins of the origins story.
Origins was still great and it would be good to see some companions there make a return in 3.
Not really bothered about Morrigan as much as everyone else is.
She is still a good character but seems overrated to me.

[Sanunes]

I personally didn't care for multiple characters in Dragon Age 2 and honestly I don't mind because it means the characters are different and have different elements to their personality even if I don't like those elements.

[Matchy Pointy]

Little Queen wrote...

Fenris is one of my favorites, and honestly he is not an emo he is a ex slave. I really do wonder if everyone else would be a happy bunny all the time after an expirience like this? I sure wouldnt, but maybe thats just me. And no one really can blame him for being honest to the mages. right? so all in all i would like to have a character like him in da3. 

^this. Do people think beeing a slave all your life is a pleasent experience?

[MassEffectGirl19]

It annoys me that people keep calling him emo. He's had a rough life, do you really expect him to be like Merrill or something? Seriously, get off his back. I want him to come back to DA 3 so bad 

Modifié par MassEffectGirl19, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:24 .

[Star]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Little Queen wrote...

Fenris is one of my favorites, and honestly he is not an emo he is a ex slave. I really do wonder if everyone else would be a happy bunny all the time after an expirience like this? I sure wouldnt, but maybe thats just me. And no one really can blame him for being honest to the mages. right? so all in all i would like to have a character like him in da3. 

^this. Do people think beeing a slave all your life is a pleasent experience?

Definitely this.   Being a slave would definitely shape your view of the world and impact your ability to trust others. Why wouldn't Fen be angry and distrustful?  

He's one of my favorite characters.  I'd like to see him again. 

[Fishy]

Melca36 wrote...

Since we have a post about Merrill  and Anders. I figured Fenris deserves one too.

He whined and bellowed just as much as Anders did but most of the fans excuse it.

He was horribly malicious to Merrill.

I think his viciousness towards Merrill was the reason I came to dislike him. I did kill Danarius though. I may have disliked the character but I couldn't send him back to Danarius.

You remind me of the chick in misery .. She`s pissed because her favorite character in the book was ''killed'' .. So she ask the writer to redo that part for her. Because she don`t ''accept''  and WON'T TOLERATE IT. Because you know .. IT`S HER STORY

[KiwiQuiche]

Suprez30 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Since we have a post about Merrill  and Anders. I figured Fenris deserves one too.

He whined and bellowed just as much as Anders did but most of the fans excuse it.

He was horribly malicious to Merrill.

I think his viciousness towards Merrill was the reason I came to dislike him. I did kill Danarius though. I may have disliked the character but I couldn't send him back to Danarius.

You remind me of the chick in misery .. She`s pissed because her favorite character in the book was ''killed'' .. So she ask the writer to redo that part for her. Because she don`t ''accept''  and WON'T TOLERATE IT. Because you know .. IT`S HER STORY

Epic miss, Suprez30.

[J.C. Blade]

Star58 wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Little Queen wrote...

Fenris is one of my favorites, and honestly he is not an emo he is a ex slave. I really do wonder if everyone else would be a happy bunny all the time after an expirience like this? I sure wouldnt, but maybe thats just me. And no one really can blame him for being honest to the mages. right? so all in all i would like to have a character like him in da3. 

^this. Do people think beeing a slave all your life is a pleasent experience?

Definitely this.   Being a slave would definitely shape your view of the world and impact your ability to trust others. Why wouldn't Fen be angry and distrustful?  

He's one of my favorite characters.  I'd like to see him again. 

So he should be excused and not called upon when he acts as an ass? Really?
Let me repeat myslef:

Did Fenris suffer in life? Yes he did.
In fact, I'd go and say that
the writers made him suffer too much - he was a slave, who fought to
free his family, got lyrium burned into his skin, lost his memory, was
mentally, physically and sexually abused and pretty much trained like an
attack dog, and had later learned that his sister betrayed him because
she wanted to become an apprentice to magister herself. Anyone trying to
compare to him would come out looking petty with their petty little
problems.

Combine that with his "puppy eyes" and the game goes out of its way to tell you that, unless you are a horrible human being, you should be nice and loving and caring towards him because he had suffered terribly and no one else can compare to his traumatic past. So love him damn it, said the game.

[Unata]

Fox In The Box wrote...

New suggestion; let's just replace all of the characters with trained monkeys. Everyone likes monkeys.

I hate monkeys, can't stand the nasty things..

Anders got on my nerves, Fenris had physical reasons to be "angry" I could handle that, Anders was just crazy

Modifié par Unata, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:32 .

[zambingo]

The only thing I hated about Fenris was how ****ing nasty he was... seriously... ten years and you don't clean up your house. Nasty. Beyond Nasty.

[syllogi]

zambingo wrote...

The only thing I hated about Fenris was how ****ing nasty he was... seriously... ten years and you don't clean up your house. Nasty. Beyond Nasty.

This is a very legitimate complaint.  You know who else lived in a wrecked house with decaying bodies in it?  Jame Gumb.  Nobody wants to be like Jame Gumb.

[Huntress]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

@karlone123

I didn't like fennris because of his narrow minded view of mages, And whining about torture is normal but fennris uses it as a excuse to treat mages poorly while he never stops and considers his doing the same thing that was done him.

He doesn't sees mages with a narrow vision, he just sees them as what they are, a THREAT, just for that he won't cuddle them, he knows what mages can do because his old master was one of them and after all the evil this blood mage did,he used Fenris to put fear in the heart of his opponents, tell me what  would you think of someone  who uses you and then try to destroy you?, will you trust this type of people again? No, you'll judge them and try to keep them in check  and if given the change you'll try to destroy them.

Modifié par Huntress, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

most people who like fennris have a tendency to levitate towards broody gloomy emo people which is fine for them, but the game takes place over a span ten years there comes a time when you have to let go and don't let your past define who you are. Fennris seems to satisfied with being uber emo so no pity from me.

[unbentbuzzkill]

@huntress

that's just an excuse being a mage dpes not automatically make you a threat, and btw you can't judge everybody the same way they are all different and that shows how narrow minded he is.

[Sejborg]

I agree. I didn't like anything about Fenris. He looked ridiculous and he had a terrible introduction. I rarely brought him along because he looked so stupid, and when I did he would insult other companions without me getting a chance to roleplay and defend them. Terrible character. No more of that please.