I see that you can only speak in hatred or insult.Grubas wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yep and nobody should expect the impossibe goal that perfection is especially when opinion is involved.
Can someone translate please? Im not a native speaker...
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 23 octobre 2012 - 01:03 .
arial wrote...
The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.
since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.
It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.
When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.
This is an example of painting with broad strokes especially when it sounds like you're not interested in what ME did. I highlly doubt if you got what you wanted you would have been happy.Paulomedi wrote...
I love the lack of bosses, because they are too video-gamey.
I love to get lectured by a 6-year-boy-persona with perfect logic.
I love to see a coup d'etat on the noses of the most powerful fleets of the galaxy, leaded by a space-ninja with Roxx00rz glasses.
In fact, I love battling against him, since he smashes the ground for no apparent reason, providing me cover to shoot him. It would be very, very lame if he fought running and dodging, like an actual ninja that he pretends to be (wut?).
This battle against the space ninja is so good! It can never be improved, like perhaps, letting me fight alone... just with melee attacks. This system was implemented to be situational, it must not have a moment to shine!
Ohhh I'm so much in love with this game...
If education is your stance then you would know that writing is subjective in nature and it varies from person to person based on personal taste. This is an example of a strawman and is another example of painting with broad strokes.rekn2 wrote...
copy/pasted this because it fits here too
the ending upset people because of its poor structure. you dont introduce an antagonist 3 minutes before the ending....why did they introduce the collectors at all in me2?
anyone with any education will tell you this. it has nothing to do with art or the anyones "feelings".
bad writing is bad writing, period. its like the more i read bsn the more i realize the "laws or rules of writing" are taken as some kind of fascist/dictatorship regime to some people. its a science. writing has laws, hard and true structures so that the writer can communicate what hes envisioned. when these are broken the plot etc makes no sense at all.
this isnt open for discussion or interpretation. these laws have been in effect for thousands of years
Blueprotoss wrote...
I see that you can only speak in hatred or insult.Grubas wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yep and nobody should expect the impossibe goal that perfection is especially when opinion is involved.
Can someone translate please? Im not a native speaker...
Modifié par Biotic Sage, 23 octobre 2012 - 07:07 .
Beautifully stated.Biotic Sage wrote...
Not everyone who hates the ending hates it for the same reason. Every person has his or her own reasons for liking or not liking the ending. Some reasons may be similar to other people's reasons, but every person's experiences are different. We should all respect that. I love the ending myself and I would hope people respect that, and I respect the fact that a large number of people hate it.
Making sweeping generalizations is the surest way to alienate yourself from other individuals because you aren't respecting their individualities. I know we as humans like to simplify and categorize everything to make the world easier to process, but nothing is simple.
Modifié par drayfish, 23 octobre 2012 - 11:40 .
Modifié par 78stonewobble, 23 octobre 2012 - 01:27 .
arial wrote...
The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.
since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.
It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.
When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.
SovereignX6 wrote...
I hated the ME3 ending before EC, now its all good.
Guest_Paulomedi_*
78stonewobble wrote...
My absolutely biggest problem with the endings is the following:
"synthetics will allways kill organics"
Without much in the way of any "evidence". It is such a facepalmingly bad logic or rather forced explanation that I don't even know where to begin to describe my disappointment with it.
It's like a... psychological murder thriller that ends with the notion that ... "some people are just murderers (derp!)" and ... well thats just how it is.
I'd buy the explanation of vengefull ai, faulty ai, crazy ai and so forth... Not an illogical attempt at an explanation of an even more illogical force of nature thing.
PS: I fully acknowledge other peoples right to their own oppinion on any subject but I'll still say that if you can accept a statement like "synthetics will allways kill organics" you haven't actually thought it through.
PPS: I have to try to explain my dislike of it a little more.
Many many many years ago at the age of maybe 5... My uncles had wifes but 1 of my uncles had a boyfriend. A perfectly reasonable explanation to me at that age for that is what my parents told me: "Some people ARE just that way."
As an adult and if I ask myself the question: Why are some people gay? I'd have to look into a multitude of psychological research, genetical research and heck even ask people directly what being gay is and why and so on.
I feel bioware treated me like a kid with their explanation.
PPPS: I rather like much of the rest of the game. Rarely have a game kept that emotionally engaged. Too much overboard on the autodialogue. A few minor graphical bugs and so on... Still I'd rate most of the game as 9-9.5 outta 10 without the ending. With ending my rating goes down to 7-7.5 outta 10. ... *sigh* A ww2 why we fought piece with the answer being AMERICAH! or ... fo shizzle... action reply.
Paulomedi wrote...
Pretty much this...of course ME3 has stellar moments (Tuchanka, Rannoch), but the main plot is subpar , priority: Earth drops the ball and the ending kick you in the facewith itschildish logic.
Yate wrote...
SovereignX6 wrote...
I hated the ME3 ending before EC, now its all good.
p much this
maybe it's not the ideal ending, but it's still pretty good, fits with the story, and provides a nice sense of closure.
I apologize for that since I'm just used to random insults being thrown at me because this is the Internet. Either way I haven't insulted anyone here and it sounds like you don't know what insults are. ironically enough I'm not showing any hatred while I can't say the same for you and a couple of other users.Grubas wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
I see that you can only speak in hatred or insult.Grubas wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yep and nobody should expect the impossibe goal that perfection is especially when opinion is involved.
Can someone translate please? Im not a native speaker...
No need to turn to groundles acusations to cover up your passive agressive stance towards anyone daring to criticise the game.
And im not a native speaker, but even i can see how often you refer to the poster to insult him, and not to the actual quote you pretend to answer.
your hatred reveals you.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 23 octobre 2012 - 05:03 .
Actually there's a lot of people that enjoy the endings but they don't care for the "rage" on BSN and Youtube. The logic realy isn't a problem unless if there were no Created vs Creator or an established Reaper leader in ME1 and ME2.Necrotya wrote...
I like the game, just not the "logic" of endings. Don't mind my Shep going down, no need for rainbows either, but the **** they fed me in last 10 mins is just ...well.....****. Now, Im glad at least some ppl like it, so all players don't feel like me.
To be fair its easy to paint broad strokes based on a strawman like saying that singularity would never exist.Paulomedi wrote...
78stonewobble wrote...
My absolutely biggest problem with the endings is the following:
"synthetics will allways kill organics"
Without much in the way of any "evidence". It is such a facepalmingly bad logic or rather forced explanation that I don't even know where to begin to describe my disappointment with it.
It's like a... psychological murder thriller that ends with the notion that ... "some people are just murderers (derp!)" and ... well thats just how it is.
I'd buy the explanation of vengefull ai, faulty ai, crazy ai and so forth... Not an illogical attempt at an explanation of an even more illogical force of nature thing.
PS: I fully acknowledge other peoples right to their own oppinion on any subject but I'll still say that if you can accept a statement like "synthetics will allways kill organics" you haven't actually thought it through.
PPS: I have to try to explain my dislike of it a little more.
Many many many years ago at the age of maybe 5... My uncles had wifes but 1 of my uncles had a boyfriend. A perfectly reasonable explanation to me at that age for that is what my parents told me: "Some people ARE just that way."
As an adult and if I ask myself the question: Why are some people gay? I'd have to look into a multitude of psychological research, genetical research and heck even ask people directly what being gay is and why and so on.
I feel bioware treated me like a kid with their explanation.
PPPS: I rather like much of the rest of the game. Rarely have a game kept that emotionally engaged. Too much overboard on the autodialogue. A few minor graphical bugs and so on... Still I'd rate most of the game as 9-9.5 outta 10 without the ending. With ending my rating goes down to 7-7.5 outta 10. ... *sigh* A ww2 why we fought piece with the answer being AMERICAH! or ... fo shizzle... action reply.
Pretty much this...of course ME3 has stellar moments (Tuchanka, Rannoch), but the main plot is subpar , priority: Earth drops the ball and the ending kick you in the facewith itschildish logic.
arial wrote...
The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.
since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.
It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.
When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.
Modifié par ME859, 24 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .
ME859 wrote...
arial wrote...
The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.
since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.
It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.
When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.
That answers why the endings weren't met with a 100% approval from the fan base. When you have 90%+ disapproval something else is clearly wrong. Truth be told a lot of people would have shut up if their was a reunion scene of some kind at the end of High EMS destroy. The cliff hanger after being promised closure wasn't the greatest idea.
BeefheartSpud wrote...
Omg jackpot, it's a Bluprotoss posting spree!
*Overusage of the terms/phrases "To be fair," "Haters gonna hate," "Strawmann," rendering them hollow.
*Bemusing misapplication of subordinating conjunctions ("Yet," "When," "While")
*Misapplication of the word "Ironic/Ironically"
*Random yet consistent mispellings demonstrating not accidental typos but a fundamental misunderstanding of grammar, etymology, definitions, etc.
*Saying something insulting then accusing the other person of being insulting
*...Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand non sequitur rebuttals including, but not limited to, bringing up past video games or events that are immaterial to the subject matter.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhghghhhghgggggggHGGhghuiue
I came.
Blueprotoss wrote...
This is an example of painting with broad strokes especially when it sounds like you're not interested in what ME did. I highlly doubt if you got what you wanted you would have been happy.Paulomedi wrote...
I love the lack of bosses, because they are too video-gamey.
I love to get lectured by a 6-year-boy-persona with perfect logic.
I love to see a coup d'etat on the noses of the most powerful fleets of the galaxy, leaded by a space-ninja with Roxx00rz glasses.
In fact, I love battling against him, since he smashes the ground for no apparent reason, providing me cover to shoot him. It would be very, very lame if he fought running and dodging, like an actual ninja that he pretends to be (wut?).
This battle against the space ninja is so good! It can never be improved, like perhaps, letting me fight alone... just with melee attacks. This system was implemented to be situational, it must not have a moment to shine!
Ohhh I'm so much in love with this game...If education is your stance then you would know that writing is subjective in nature and it varies from person to person based on personal taste. This is an example of a strawman and is another example of painting with broad strokes.rekn2 wrote...
copy/pasted this because it fits here too
the ending upset people because of its poor structure. you dont introduce an antagonist 3 minutes before the ending....why did they introduce the collectors at all in me2?
anyone with any education will tell you this. it has nothing to do with art or the anyones "feelings".
bad writing is bad writing, period. its like the more i read bsn the more i realize the "laws or rules of writing" are taken as some kind of fascist/dictatorship regime to some people. its a science. writing has laws, hard and true structures so that the writer can communicate what hes envisioned. when these are broken the plot etc makes no sense at all.
this isnt open for discussion or interpretation. these laws have been in effect for thousands of years
BeefheartSpud wrote...
Omg jackpot, it's a Bluprotoss posting spree!
*Overusage of the terms/phrases "To be fair," "Haters gonna hate," "Strawmann," rendering them hollow.
*Bemusing misapplication of subordinating conjunctions ("Yet," "When," "While")
*Misapplication of the word "Ironic/Ironically"
*Random yet consistent mispellings demonstrating not accidental typos but a fundamental misunderstanding of grammar, etymology, definitions, etc.
*Saying something insulting then accusing the other person of being insulting
*...Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand non sequitur rebuttals including, but not limited to, bringing up past video games or events that are immaterial to the subject matter.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhghghhhghgggggggHGGhghuiue
I came.
arial wrote...
The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.
since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.
It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.
When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.
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