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[Grubas]

75 perfect scores..

[BSpud]

[quote]silverexile17s wrote...

1. What are you talking about? I never said anything about Wing Commander 4, Skate Or Die, or Maniac Mansion in this post. All I said was that fans DO have good ideas. People like @Blurprotoss can't condemn everyone as wrong about the endings just because there ARE a few people that go too far. But people like that exsit on the opposate side as well.

2. Yes, that was an annoying part of the game, But that was a minor gripe. It's nowhere near as bad as screwing up the ending to the game that follows it up. And "Haters gonna Hate"? What are you, Blueprotoss 2.0? Or is this @Blueprotoss with a different username?[/quote]

How is that while if you were going to hate on plotholes then you would've done the same for Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II, Hudson Hawk and all of season 4 of Little House on the Praire.[/quote]


[quote]silverexile17s wrote...

3. ....LOL. WHAT did you say? What the HELL does a squid eating dough in  a polyethyene bag have to do with ME3? And "Strawman" and "Red Herring'? You are sounding WAY too much like @Blueprotoss with a different username.[/quote]

Insults are ineffecacious and pusillanimous.


[quote]silverexile17s wrote...

4. LOL.LOL.LOL.
 WHAT DOES A SUPERMAN VILLIAN HAVE TO DO WITH THIS?

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Modifié par BeefheartSpud, 31 octobre 2012 - 10:34 .

[silverexile17s]

[quote]BeefheartSpud wrote...

[quote]silverexile17s wrote...

1. What are you talking about? I never said anything about Wing Commander 4, Skate Or Die, or Maniac Mansion in this post. All I said was that fans DO have good ideas. People like @Blurprotoss can't condemn everyone as wrong about the endings just because there ARE a few people that go too far. But people like that exsit on the opposate side as well.

2. Yes, that was an annoying part of the game, But that was a minor gripe. It's nowhere near as bad as screwing up the ending to the game that follows it up. And "Haters gonna Hate"? What are you, Blueprotoss 2.0? Or is this @Blueprotoss with a different username?[/quote]

How is that while if you were going to hate on plotholes then you would've done the same for Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II, Hudson Hawk and all of season 4 of Little House on the Praire.[/quote]


[quote]silverexile17s wrote...

3. ....LOL. WHAT did you say? What the HELL does a squid eating dough in  a polyethyene bag have to do with ME3? And "Strawman" and "Red Herring'? You are sounding WAY too much like @Blueprotoss with a different username.[/quote]

Insults are ineffecacious and pusillanimous.


[quote]silverexile17s wrote...

4. LOL.LOL.LOL.
 WHAT DOES A SUPERMAN VILLIAN HAVE TO DO WITH THIS?

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[/quote]
1,2,3 & 4:  ...?!?!?!?!   O_o
....This is all a joke, right? TELL me this is just you joking around?

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. But it's for a reason. It's a little something called "fan feedback" If fans said NOTHING about any flaws in a game, I think that would be worse. Many improvements and Great DLC addation come from fan requests, and many patches come from the complaints of things that were wrong. Mass Effect is a series that has garnered more attention then any series in recent history. I NEVER saw this kind of blow-up on so many sites as I did for this.

Again some people will always have no reason to complain other then opinion and opinion will always be wrong when its compared to fact.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. First off, you insult people first. You cast the first stone a long time ago with everyone here. Second, the Crucible was NOT a knowen part of the plot during ME1 and ME2. You can't complain about a plot detail you DON'T KNOW ABOUT. The only reference we had was Liara's comment about how the old SHadow Broker was researching the Protheans, and thought that there was more to their plans then just the Conduit on Ilos, and the warnings in the beacons. Everyone LOVED the twist with Saren and Sovergien. And the revalation between the prothans and the collectors was a favorate part of ME2. n fact, as far as I know,  The few complaints about ME3s plot line was only that the story felt a bit too liner. It was only the ENDING'S  that garnered that hate that you reference. But that's because compared to the REST of the plot throughout the three games, it felt like a rip-off of Deus Ex. EC made them TOLRIBLE, but they're STILL nothing special.

I'm not insu anylting anyone especially when I'm not using opinion in a discussion of facts.  The Crucible doesn't need to be known in ME1 and ME2 like how Quarians look like without their suit on or the Reapers having a creator.  Everything doesn't need to be known and to expect that everything needs to be known is petty.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. ...You DO realize that attachment to those characters, and their fates, was half the reason the demands that the EC was formed from, even happened, right? The care for these characters was one of the driving reasons for wanting the EC in the first place, and to say no one cares about those characters is the OPPOSATE of what the game's creators intended. Caring about these characters is one of the game's core elements, one of the things that made people love this series, and it's disrespectful to them, and the game itself, to say that it doesn't matter.

You do know that those choices are more so based on plot then player choice because the player picks from the framework that Bioware has established, which this has been done through the entire ME series.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. I don't recall them being AVERTISED with having save-file transfers. Come on, those are BUILT to be picked up as stand alone. Final Fantasy in particular. A game series that HAS save-file transfer kinda implies that you're SUPPOSED to import your changes into the next game along in the series.

ME3 didn't need t be advertised with an import system because that was established in ME2 and ME3 interviews.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Ugg, if you think Star Wars is multiple galaxies because people call it the "Satr Wars Universe,"  you need to know that's NOT the case. "Star Wars Universe" is just the title they give for the collective LORE in Star Wars. People say the "Star TREK Universe" too, when they never leave the Milky Way, or the MARVEL and DC Universe, when near EVERYTHING takes place on Earth.
Star Wars is a SINGLE galaxiy, whose major events are broken up into seperate time periods. I played KotOR, where it said that things like "War has broken out across the GALAXY," not universe. Or "4,000 years before the rise of the Galactic Empire," indacating that KotOR was not happing in a SEPERATE galaxy, but in the past of the ONE SEEN IN THE MOVIES. Or the fact that the game Star Wars: Empire at War CLEARLY indacated that all the planets in KotOR are IN THE SAME GALAXY AS THE ONE IN THE MOVIE. Or the fact that when you get games like The Old Republic, or Empire at War, the map shows only.... You guessed it: ONE GALAXY!! The only thing different is that TIME PERIOD.

I see that you're still trying to argue over nothing and I see you want to win based on your eagerness to start a meaningless measuring contest.

silverexile17s wrote...

6. No, I'm not. I know that Jade Emipre is one game. The game's ENDINGS were my example. in that BioWare is capable of making driving, diverse endings, and making so many, and so many ways to unlock them, that you trully feel like it's worth replaying. ME3 doesn't HAVE that. You beat the game once, and few can find it in themselves to go back.  And I posted before the simalaraties between the Deus Ex series game endings, and what they did for ME3.  They are remarkably simalir. No, they aren't the same game, but they end the same way. In Deus Ex, that kind of ending is EXPECTED, because it matches the theme, atmosphere, and tone. 
With ME3, however, something like that as IT'S ending felt so out of place, it was like being slapped. Especally with how creative they'd been in the past with DA:O's ending options.
It's just fact. Anyone watching the two sid-by-side would have trouble denying the simalaraties between the choices and their consaquences.

Yet you are comparing apples to oranges because Jade Empire is only one game and ME is 3-4 games, which this can be applied as well with DA: O.  You're also in another apples and oranges comparison when talking about DE and ME since they're different franchises and DE is no Metal Gear.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 octobre 2012 - 04:21 .

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

]Maybe you should do the research before jumping to conclsion then lashing out because you're doing the opposite of what you preach.

...Yet another statement that examplifies what YOU are doing.
Honestly, this entire time, you have been making yourself look like the schoolyard bully at the sandbox. Everyone who has a differing opinion from yours is targeted by you and pummeled by reverse logic and mirrored pionts.
Just LET them have their opinions, because all your doing is making them pissed off at you for stupid reasons.
 

I love the irony here because the schoolyard bully title would belong to you especially when you're the one insulting others and trying to turn opinion into fact since you don't want to be wrong.  Its not my fault that you're getting angry since you can't handle the truth.

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Maybe you should do the research before jumping to conclsion then lashing out because you're doing the opposite of what you preach.

...Yet another comment that examplifies yourself. 
Seriously, this entire time, you've been making yourself look like the schoolyard bully at the sandbox. You pummle anyone with differing opinions then you with reverse logic and mirrored points, using flawed facts that you are too pridefull to admit are wrong. I start to wonder if these arguements are even relevent to you anymore, and if this isn't just you putting everyone down because your pride got hurt.
You need to let these people have opinions and agree to DISAGREE if you can't ever come to a head, or all your going to do is gt them pissed off at you for such stupit reasons as a wounded pride.

Haters gonna hate even when the insulting is coming from you.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 octobre 2012 - 04:28 .

[Da_old_Boss]

Definitely no. It is that simple.

[Blueprotoss]

ld1449 wrote...

Silver...why do you bother?

Its Blue-mother****ing-protoss. It'll go in one ear, out the other if he even reads half of what you wrote. I'm convinced he just skims at best since he hardly ever adresses the actual points people leave behind.

Pot calling the kettle is all I see here and thats very accurate with you based on how you only care about the opinions that some share with you rather then the facts.

silverexile17s wrote...

I can't just let him put everyone down when the facts he's using are so flawed. 

If I was really flawed then I wouldn't be using logic or common sense.

ld1449 wrote...

I personally find it easy to ignore ignorance.

Don't have the time or patience to give a flying **** about what a proven moron thinks or says about XYZ thing. 

But good luck. Every word out of his mouth  just makes him a bigger laughing stock amongst the BSN[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

This is very ironic since I'm not the one insulting people over the Internet.  You should know that insulting people over the Internet is useless and destroys credability.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 octobre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Da_old_Boss]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Silver...why do you bother?

Its Blue-mother****ing-protoss. It'll go in one ear, out the other if he even reads half of what you wrote. I'm convinced he just skims at best since he hardly ever adresses the actual points people leave behind.

Pot calling the kettle is all I see here and thats very accurate with you based on how you only care about the opinions that some share with you rather then the facts.

silverexile17s wrote...

I can't just let him put everyone down when the facts he's using are so flawed. 

If I was really flawed then I wouldn't be using logic or common sense.

ld1449 wrote...

I personally find it easy to ignore ignorance.

Don't have the time or patience to give a flying **** about what a proven moron thinks or says about XYZ thing. 

But good luck. Every word out of his mouth  just makes him a bigger laughing stock amongst the BSN[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

This is very ironic since I'm not the one insulting people over the Internet.  You should know that insulting people over the Internet is useless and destroys credability.

Do you guys even remember what you were originally arguing about? 
Cuz now it looks like you're just insulting each other.

Modifié par Da_old_Boss, 31 octobre 2012 - 04:35 .

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...


1. That's the POINT. It's NOT anger, it's dissapointment. After the high notes that ME2 and DA:O ended on, people expected to get a satisfying conclusion to the story they crafted for years. There was no warning that the ending would be SO damn bittersweet, that it woul nearly KILL the desire to replay, or import. At this point, they DO dislike the ending, but it's mostly because they are dissapointed. Sure, there is still anger in there, but it's the minroaty at this point.

Yet there is more anger then disappointment thats present here.  If it was really disappointment then you would have moved on already.

silverexile17s wrote...

2.Troxa agree with me and said that Star Wars IS a class 3 civilazation. To recap:
We humans right now are type 0, multiple civilazations on one planet.
type 1 is planetary, where a united civilazation spans the entire planet.
type 2 is colonialism of outlaying star systems.
type 3 is galactic, where the civilazation is spread throughout the entire galaxy.
Type 4 is when a civilization controls other galaxies.
Star Wars is TYPE 3. Galactic. One Galaxy. NO OTHERS.

Yet Star Wars isn't contained to one galaxy whether its a movie, video game, comic, or novel series.

[Blueprotoss]

Da_old_Boss wrote...

Do you guys even remember what you were originally arguing about? 
Cuz now it looks like you're just insulting each other.

I'm not inslting anyone but I do know that he's way off topic, which surprising happens a lot on forums when some people have differing views and personal tastes.

[BSpud]

silverexile17s wrote...

1,2,3 & 4:  ...?!?!?!?!   O_o
....This is all a joke, right? TELL me this is just you joking around?

Yet if this was the case then I wouldn't be using facts and logic and my air conditioning repair degree I obtained at DeVry to prove to you that you can't turn opinion into fact when people complain about ME3 especially when some people complained about ME1 and 2 and will still complain about fact-based complaining in ME4 while complaining can never be opinion if it isn't a fact especially when fact is fact and opinion is a complaint that can never be fact when fact is based on the opposite of silicon-based opinion especially when the pot meets kettle and they get married and have little pot and kettle babies just like when people complained about Glengarry Glenn Ross which was 89% fact yet 11% opinion based on Star Wars multiverse.

[LiarasShield]

arial wrote...

 The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.

since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.

It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.

When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.

Wrong dear

this is why

Whether or not you enjoyed the conclusion to Mass Effect 3 (personally I feel
it tarnished an otherwise masterful series) please take a look at the
pre-release quotes below from websites and interviews with the game's
developers, writers and producers.

Does all that talk of meaningful player choice, multiple significantly
different endings and closure for the characters and series not seem,
at the very least, strange?

I believe Bioware can be legitimately accused of, at best, fudging the
truth if not outright deceit given the inconsistency between notions
of choice, closure etc. expressed before the game was released and
the ending as it currently stands.

In my opinion Bioware produced a badly written, ill-conceived shambles
of an ending riddled with plot holes and logical inconsistencies but
even if you loved the final moments of this great game do you really
think what was stated in the interviews below has been proved true?

Maybe Walters, Gamble, Hudson et al will be proved right when a decent
ending is released via (presumably free) DLC that explains the
original ending was just some sort of hallucination/indoctrination.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for that though.


Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”


EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".

EDIT: thanks to Our_Last_Scene for pointing out that this quote was clarified on Mike Gamble's twitter feed (apparently the 'reapers win' scenario is simply the 'Critical Mission Failure' message the player receives if they dawdle too long at the crucible before making their choice, see this link for info - http://twitter.com/#...895746313363457)


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html


"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”


EDIT: Thanks to Skidrow-Garrett for pointing out another mystifying quote or two. It seems Bioware worked for years on the ending and are really pleased with it. I think it makes new DLC to address all the concerns less likely, unfortunately.

Ray Muzyka (Co-Founder of Bioware)
http://penny-arcade....ing-a-trilogy-a

“I just finished an end to end playthrough, for me the ending was the
most satisfying of any game I’ve ever played….the decisions you make in
this game are epic,”

“The team has been planning
for this for years, since the beginning of the Mass Effect franchise.
Largely the same team, most of the same leads have worked on this for
years and years. They’ve thought about [the ending] for years and years.
It’s not something they’ve had to solve in a week or a month even, but
over the course of five or ten years.”

[hiraeth]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1,2,3 & 4:  ...?!?!?!?!   O_o
....This is all a joke, right? TELL me this is just you joking around?

Yet if this was the case then I wouldn't be using facts and logic and my air conditioning repair degree I obtained at DeVry to prove to you that you can't turn opinion into fact when people complain about ME3 especially when some people complained about ME1 and 2 and will still complain about fact-based complaining in ME4 while complaining can never be opinion if it isn't a fact especially when fact is fact and opinion is a complaint that can never be fact when fact is based on the opposite of silicon-based opinion especially when the pot meets kettle and they get married and have little pot and kettle babies just like when people complained about Glengarry Glenn Ross which was 89% fact yet 11% opinion based on Star Wars multiverse.

wow that sentence is...long.

also, you lost me when you started talking about "little pot and kettle babies"...

[hiraeth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. That's the POINT. It's NOT anger, it's dissapointment. After the high notes that ME2 and DA:O ended on, people expected to get a satisfying conclusion to the story they crafted for years. There was no warning that the ending would be SO damn bittersweet, that it woul nearly KILL the desire to replay, or import. At this point, they DO dislike the ending, but it's mostly because they are dissapointed. Sure, there is still anger in there, but it's the minroaty at this point.

Yet there is more anger then disappointment thats present here.  If it was really disappointment then you would have moved on already.

i disagree with this statement- the effects of disappointment can linger for a long time. i can recall several movies/games with endings that didn't anger or irritate me, just primarily disappointed me and/or didn't meet my expectations, and i still feel disappointed in them and could still go on long rants about why they disappointed me.

the reality of the situation is that it's probably a really complex mix of emotions that can't be dumbed down efficiently into one or two words or emotions.

[Da_old_Boss]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Da_old_Boss wrote...

Do you guys even remember what you were originally arguing about? 
Cuz now it looks like you're just insulting each other.

I'm not inslting anyone but I do know that he's way off topic, which surprising happens a lot on forums when some people have differing views and personal tastes.

But do you remember the topic at all?

[deatharmonic]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1,2,3 & 4:  ...?!?!?!?!   O_o
....This is all a joke, right? TELL me this is just you joking around?

Yet if this was the case then I wouldn't be using facts and logic and my air conditioning repair degree I obtained at DeVry to prove to you that you can't turn opinion into fact when people complain about ME3 especially when some people complained about ME1 and 2 and will still complain about fact-based complaining in ME4 while complaining can never be opinion if it isn't a fact especially when fact is fact and opinion is a complaint that can never be fact when fact is based on the opposite of silicon-based opinion especially when the pot meets kettle and they get married and have little pot and kettle babies just like when people complained about Glengarry Glenn Ross which was 89% fact yet 11% opinion based on Star Wars multiverse.

+1. It doesn't get more clearer than this, this is about facts not opinions and strawmen who present red herrings who insult people complaining about facts using opinions.

[drayfish]

I wrote a poem, and here it goes...

Please imagine me in a smoky cafe, wearing a beret, lit with a slash of stage light. Cool jazz is playing in the background as my sweet rhymes sizzle like lightning through the air. Feel free to snap your fingers...



Some people will always have no reason to complain
other then opinion
and opinion will always be wrong when its compared to fact.

Yet you are comparing apples to oranges.

Pot calling the kettle is all I see here
and thats very accurate with you
based on how you only care about the opinions
that some share with you
rather then the facts.

To be fair
If I was really flawed
then I wouldn't be using logic or common sense.

Haters gonna hate even when the insulting is coming from you.

I'm not inslting anyone.
Its not my fault that you're getting angry since you can't handle the truth.

If thats the case then you should know
that people are effected differently with emotions
and to say that something is or isn't emotional
to you would be opinion.

To be fair emotion is always present
but individually we choose to embrace or ignore it.

You're also in another apples and oranges comparison.

This is very ironic
since I'm not the one insulting people over the Internet.

You should know that insulting people over the Internet
is useless and destroys credability.

I'm not insu anylting anyone
especially when I'm not using opinion in a discussion of facts.

I'm not inslting anyone.

Star Wars isn't contained to one galaxy
whether its a movie, video game, comic, or novel series.

Modifié par drayfish, 31 octobre 2012 - 07:13 .

[Redbelle]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. That's the POINT. It's NOT anger, it's dissapointment. After the high notes that ME2 and DA:O ended on, people expected to get a satisfying conclusion to the story they crafted for years. There was no warning that the ending would be SO damn bittersweet, that it woul nearly KILL the desire to replay, or import. At this point, they DO dislike the ending, but it's mostly because they are dissapointed. Sure, there is still anger in there, but it's the minroaty at this point.

Yet there is more anger then disappointment thats present here.  If it was really disappointment then you would have moved on already.

i disagree with this statement- the effects of disappointment can linger for a long time. i can recall several movies/games with endings that didn't anger or irritate me, just primarily disappointed me and/or didn't meet my expectations, and i still feel disappointed in them and could still go on long rants about why they disappointed me.

the reality of the situation is that it's probably a really complex mix of emotions that can't be dumbed down efficiently into one or two words or emotions.

ditto the disagreement that dissappointed ppl would have moved on. After all, if your favourite pop group suddenly produced a turkey of a single the average fan Might walk away. But the die hard fans would stay and hope for better the next time around.

To many of the so called lovers of ME who brand those who express disappointment in ME3's ending haters, ideally, should look at the situation from a different perspective. Those who critique the ending are in fact lovers of ME. If they were not, i.e. if they were indifferent to ME they probably wouldn't bother posting.

Those who feedback and point out the flaws and problems of the game to the developers are helping to build a better game the next time around. I mean gawd forbid. ME4 comes out and BW pull a ME3 ending on us again because ppl said they liked it................ Really?

I mean the ECDLC made the ending better, no less soul destroying but at least it filled in the gaps of what did occured, and that came about from the fans who raised their voice's to say........... "That was It?!? What just happened"!

To those who claim to love ME but refuse to acknowledge it's faults. Your killing the franchise with kindness. If BW was a puppy and you hugged it so tight that it stopped breathing........ that's not love. BW is a competitive market brand that needs fan feedback to stay up to date with gamer demands for new products and product content. So ironically it's the so called haters who love the franchise and express this love in the form of honesty. No happy pills for us. We take reality as it comes. And coming back to the theme of dissapointed ppl moving on? Well those who did were probably not the core fanbase that will keep ME alive. The lovers who hate are attempting to convince everyone that we should all stop hating........ cause the lovers hate that. And the haters who love ME, more than the lovers, want to see ME restored to it's full glory while at the same time going out with a bang, minus the G, R and B.

That's not so hard to understand, is it?

Modifié par Redbelle, 31 octobre 2012 - 07:27 .

[BSpud]

drayfish wrote...

I wrote a poem, and here it goes...

Please imagine me in a smoky cafe, wearing a beret, lit with a slash of stage light. Cool jazz is playing in the background as my sweet rhymes sizzle like lightning through the air. Feel free to snap your fingers...



Some people will always have no reason to complain
other then opinion
and opinion will always be wrong when its compared to fact.

Yet you are comparing apples to oranges.

Pot calling the kettle is all I see here
and thats very accurate with you
based on how you only care about the opinions
that some share with you
rather then the facts.

To be fair
If I was really flawed
then I wouldn't be using logic or common sense.

Haters gonna hate even when the insulting is coming from you.

I'm not inslting anyone.
Its not my fault that you're getting angry since you can't handle the truth.

If thats the case then you should know
that people are effected differently with emotions
and to say that something is or isn't emotional
to you would be opinion.

To be fair emotion is always present
but individually we choose to embrace or ignore it.

You're also in another apples and oranges comparison.

This is very ironic
since I'm not the one insulting people over the Internet.

You should know that insulting people over the Internet
is useless and destroys credability.

I'm not insu anylting anyone
especially when I'm not using opinion in a discussion of facts.

I'm not inslting anyone.

Star Wars isn't contained to one galaxy
whether its a movie, video game, comic, or novel series.

Out of sight, hepcat.

[deatharmonic]

drayfish wrote...

I wrote a poem, and here it goes...

Please imagine me in a smoky cafe, wearing a beret, lit with a slash of stage light. Cool jazz is playing in the background as my sweet rhymes sizzle like lightning through the air. Feel free to snap your fingers...



Some people will always have no reason to complain
other then opinion
and opinion will always be wrong when its compared to fact.

Yet you are comparing apples to oranges.

Pot calling the kettle is all I see here
and thats very accurate with you
based on how you only care about the opinions
that some share with you
rather then the facts.

To be fair
If I was really flawed
then I wouldn't be using logic or common sense.

Haters gonna hate even when the insulting is coming from you.

I'm not inslting anyone.
Its not my fault that you're getting angry since you can't handle the truth.

If thats the case then you should know
that people are effected differently with emotions
and to say that something is or isn't emotional
to you would be opinion.

To be fair emotion is always present
but individually we choose to embrace or ignore it.

You're also in another apples and oranges comparison.

This is very ironic
since I'm not the one insulting people over the Internet.

You should know that insulting people over the Internet
is useless and destroys credability.

I'm not insu anylting anyone
especially when I'm not using opinion in a discussion of facts.

I'm not inslting anyone.

Star Wars isn't contained to one galaxy
whether its a movie, video game, comic, or novel series.

Totally darb daddy-o!

[Little Princess Peach]

Look Im gonna say this hoping someone at bioware or casey himself will ready this

Casey the ending you're idea was alright, but I feel that most of us gamers are not really ready for you're vision, some gamers are so used to just have stright up boss fights, and then an epic hero poses, that when anything new and altering comes along it becomes overwhelimg, you're vision might be more beneficial for future gamers then for us.

When you are brought up in a certain way taht's the only thing you can cope with mostly unless you adapt but I don't think the gaming industry is ready for that change yet.