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[Bigdoser]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well the reason why me3s ending wasn't that good to alot of people has mainly to do with the misleading advertizements before release

yup

"The rachni will be important"

"You won't get an a, b or c ending"

"There won't be a reaper off switch"

[LiarasShield]

Bigdoser wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well the reason why me3s ending wasn't that good to alot of people has mainly to do with the misleading advertizements before release

yup

"The rachni will be important"

"You won't get an a, b or c ending"

"There won't be a reaper off switch"

Which all did happen Sighs U_u


Well minus the rachni since they didn't play a important role at the end or during the rest of the story

Modifié par LiarasShield, 03 novembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Bigdoser wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well the reason why me3s ending wasn't that good to alot of people has mainly to do with the misleading advertizements before release

yup

"The rachni will be important"

"You won't get an a, b or c ending"

"There won't be a reaper off switch"

at least you krogan have one of your quads left.


the advertisement should have been more like this:

"this is the final push, its about who survives and who will not. war has come the the galaxy and threatens every being. are you willing to make the ultimate sacrafice to ensure the survival o the galaxy?"

people would not have been as p**sed off, as they are now.

[Bigdoser]

I remember when the demo was first released people were complaining about the amount of auto dialogue and two dialogue choices can't remember who but bioware said this will change later in the game.

It did not when the game was released people went back to that topic and were quite upset to say the least.

[LiarasShield]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well the reason why me3s ending wasn't that good to alot of people has mainly to do with the misleading advertizements before release

yup

"The rachni will be important"

"You won't get an a, b or c ending"

"There won't be a reaper off switch"

at least you krogan have one of your quads left.


the advertisement should have been more like this:

"this is the final push, its about who survives and who will not. war has come the the galaxy and threatens every being. are you willing to make the ultimate sacrafice to ensure the survival o the galaxy?"

people would not have been as p**sed off, as they are now.

They made it seem like we could really end shepards story our way when in alot of cases that is no where near the truth

[Dr_Extrem]

LiarasShield wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well the reason why me3s ending wasn't that good to alot of people has mainly to do with the misleading advertizements before release

yup

"The rachni will be important"

"You won't get an a, b or c ending"

"There won't be a reaper off switch"

at least you krogan have one of your quads left.


the advertisement should have been more like this:

"this is the final push, its about who survives and who will not. war has come the the galaxy and threatens every being. are you willing to make the ultimate sacrafice to ensure the survival o the galaxy?"

people would not have been as p**sed off, as they are now.

They made it seem like we could really end shepards story our way when in alot of cases that is no where near the truth

they could have implemented the full spectrum of possible ending - depending on choices made and the amount of support gathered. everything from stagering almost-defeat, to glorious victory with blue kids.

the next game would still have a foundation to build up upon. just wait a hundred years - shepard would have been a chapter in history and long living survivors, like liara are living, reclusive lives and have no stake in the current events and shepard might return as a seasoned veteran who tells stories about the great reaper war to the young generations.

the torch could pass on, without giving the fans depressions and belly aches. THATS what i criiticise.

[silverexile17s]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well the reason why me3s ending wasn't that good to alot of people has mainly to do with the misleading advertizements before release

yup

"The rachni will be important"

"You won't get an a, b or c ending"

"There won't be a reaper off switch"

at least you krogan have one of your quads left.


the advertisement should have been more like this:

"this is the final push, its about who survives and who will not. war has come the the galaxy and threatens every being. are you willing to make the ultimate sacrafice to ensure the survival o the galaxy?"

people would not have been as p**sed off, as they are now.

They made it seem like we could really end shepards story our way when in alot of cases that is no where near the truth

they could have implemented the full spectrum of possible ending - depending on choices made and the amount of support gathered. everything from stagering almost-defeat, to glorious victory with blue kids.

the next game would still have a foundation to build up upon. just wait a hundred years - shepard would have been a chapter in history and long living survivors, like liara are living, reclusive lives and have no stake in the current events and shepard might return as a seasoned veteran who tells stories about the great reaper war to the young generations.

the torch could pass on, without giving the fans depressions and belly aches. THATS what i criiticise.

I personally don't have a problem with a new protagonest. It's the SETTING that worries me.
In order to be cost effective at all, they would most likely have to cannonize one of the endings in order to make a sequel. THAT'S more dangerous then the blowup over the endings themselves in the first place. Becasue now it feels not just like the first two games were pointless, but all three!
The backlash from that would kill the series DOA. A sequel is doomed to failure, unless it's SO far-forward, that NOTHING of Shepard is remembered at ALL, aside from the fact that the Reapers' were defeted this now-mythacal hero's hands. NONE of his impacts could be in this game, as there is NO way to make a system that had varining plotlines for each of the three endings, as well as all the choices made in the series. No public systhem can currently handle that kind of file size, or the lines of code needed to make it phesible, and won't for a long time.
I'm trully sorry, but in all likelyhood, this will not be a sequel, nor will it pick up anywhere from anything Shepard did, or anyone Shepard knew.

[LiarasShield]

Yeah a sequel maybe even more dangerous territory hopefully bioware will make good surprises this time and probably not say things in interviews that can cause major negative criticism with them later.

[darthoptimus003]

because it really sucked there is no way to win

[DWH1982]

I'm honestly not sure I'm interested in another Mass Effect game.

I'm not as excited as I was about ME3, at least not right now. Not sure I'm really interested in a prequal, and I'm not sure they can pull off a sequal, for the very reasons that have been brought up in here.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. But it's for a reason. It's a little something called "fan feedback" If fans said NOTHING about any flaws in a game, I think that would be worse. Many improvements and Great DLC addation come from fan requests, and many patches come from the complaints of things that were wrong. Mass Effect is a series that has garnered more attention then any series in recent history. I NEVER saw this kind of blow-up on so many sites as I did for this.

Again some people will always have no reason to complain other then opinion and opinion will always be wrong when its compared to fact.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. First off, you insult people first. You cast the first stone a long time ago with everyone here. Second, the Crucible was NOT a knowen part of the plot during ME1 and ME2. You can't complain about a plot detail you DON'T KNOW ABOUT. The only reference we had was Liara's comment about how the old SHadow Broker was researching the Protheans, and thought that there was more to their plans then just the Conduit on Ilos, and the warnings in the beacons. Everyone LOVED the twist with Saren and Sovergien. And the revalation between the prothans and the collectors was a favorate part of ME2. n fact, as far as I know,  The few complaints about ME3s plot line was only that the story felt a bit too liner. It was only the ENDING'S  that garnered that hate that you reference. But that's because compared to the REST of the plot throughout the three games, it felt like a rip-off of Deus Ex. EC made them TOLRIBLE, but they're STILL nothing special.

I'm not insu anylting anyone especially when I'm not using opinion in a discussion of facts.  The Crucible doesn't need to be known in ME1 and ME2 like how Quarians look like without their suit on or the Reapers having a creator.  Everything doesn't need to be known and to expect that everything needs to be known is petty.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. ...You DO realize that attachment to those characters, and their fates, was half the reason the demands that the EC was formed from, even happened, right? The care for these characters was one of the driving reasons for wanting the EC in the first place, and to say no one cares about those characters is the OPPOSATE of what the game's creators intended. Caring about these characters is one of the game's core elements, one of the things that made people love this series, and it's disrespectful to them, and the game itself, to say that it doesn't matter.

You do know that those choices are more so based on plot then player choice because the player picks from the framework that Bioware has established, which this has been done through the entire ME series.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. I don't recall them being AVERTISED with having save-file transfers. Come on, those are BUILT to be picked up as stand alone. Final Fantasy in particular. A game series that HAS save-file transfer kinda implies that you're SUPPOSED to import your changes into the next game along in the series.

ME3 didn't need t be advertised with an import system because that was established in ME2 and ME3 interviews.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Ugg, if you think Star Wars is multiple galaxies because people call it the "Satr Wars Universe,"  you need to know that's NOT the case. "Star Wars Universe" is just the title they give for the collective LORE in Star Wars. People say the "Star TREK Universe" too, when they never leave the Milky Way, or the MARVEL and DC Universe, when near EVERYTHING takes place on Earth.
Star Wars is a SINGLE galaxiy, whose major events are broken up into seperate time periods. I played KotOR, where it said that things like "War has broken out across the GALAXY," not universe. Or "4,000 years before the rise of the Galactic Empire," indacating that KotOR was not happing in a SEPERATE galaxy, but in the past of the ONE SEEN IN THE MOVIES. Or the fact that the game Star Wars: Empire at War CLEARLY indacated that all the planets in KotOR are IN THE SAME GALAXY AS THE ONE IN THE MOVIE. Or the fact that when you get games like The Old Republic, or Empire at War, the map shows only.... You guessed it: ONE GALAXY!! The only thing different is that TIME PERIOD.

I see that you're still trying to argue over nothing and I see you want to win based on your eagerness to start a meaningless measuring contest.

silverexile17s wrote...

6. No, I'm not. I know that Jade Emipre is one game. The game's ENDINGS were my example. in that BioWare is capable of making driving, diverse endings, and making so many, and so many ways to unlock them, that you trully feel like it's worth replaying. ME3 doesn't HAVE that. You beat the game once, and few can find it in themselves to go back.  And I posted before the simalaraties between the Deus Ex series game endings, and what they did for ME3.  They are remarkably simalir. No, they aren't the same game, but they end the same way. In Deus Ex, that kind of ending is EXPECTED, because it matches the theme, atmosphere, and tone. 
With ME3, however, something like that as IT'S ending felt so out of place, it was like being slapped. Especally with how creative they'd been in the past with DA:O's ending options.
It's just fact. Anyone watching the two sid-by-side would have trouble denying the simalaraties between the choices and their consaquences.

Yet you are comparing apples to oranges because Jade Empire is only one game and ME is 3-4 games, which this can be applied as well with DA: O.  You're also in another apples and oranges comparison when talking about DE and ME since they're different franchises and DE is no Metal Gear.

1. What "Fact" is that? If you have any actuall examples, please show them. Really, what fact do you have that makes your opinions any more then opinions?

2. Yet they gave us an image of an unmasked Tali (Cheap as it was), AND the secret of the Reapers' creators. That was fan requested, just as the female turian was, and we're getting one for Omega. They LIKE it when the fans ask for that, because it gives them ideas on how to expand and add to the game.
If the fans didn't care, they would not give feedback at all. You need good AND bad feedback, so that you can improve on what works, and fix/tweek what doesn't
And again I ask, if you have these "Facts" please post them. Because you have not provided anything that gives any substance to your arguement.

3. That plot changes depending on many variables. If Thane was ment to die anyway, why not script it into ME2? Same with Mordin and Legion?
The plot is ment to be as open ended as possible. It acomplishes this, up until the ending. But half the point of the game, as stated by the creators themselves, is to form bonds with the characters, and your interactions with them.

4. Exactally. It's a KNOWN FEATURE. It's KNOWN , based on the last two games, that this game is MEANT to played through imported save files. Stand-Alone is possible, but runs counter to the intent of it's design. It is made to be played through import.

5. What? Looking at the posts, EVERYONE here can say that in the brawls they got into with you, it was never THEM that started anything like that. And you keep using it as reference, even though you are discrediting yourself by not knowing the lore. You cannot use Star Wars as an example of something that does well with multiple galaxies, when it DOES NOT have multiple galaxies.
Star Wars is one, and JUST one galaxy, spread out into many time periods.

6. Metal Gear Solid was infulenced by Deus Ex, just as much as it was infulenced by the others. All these games draw insperation from each other. Sometimes subtley, sometimes blatently ripping them off.
And weather or not they were multiple games is irellivent. Unless all the games in a series have different plots and main character protagonests, then 3 games is equvilent to one story.
1 game = one story.
1 game with direct sequel = one story
1 game with 2 dierct sequels = one story.
1 game with spin-off in same mythos, but different plot = 2 stories.
Jade Empire and ME are compairable, since they both possess one main storyline. And in comparison, the storyline for Jade Empire was more fulfilling, and more uniquely varied, then ME's were.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

]Maybe you should do the research before jumping to conclsion then lashing out because you're doing the opposite of what you preach.

...Yet another statement that examplifies what YOU are doing.
Honestly, this entire time, you have been making yourself look like the schoolyard bully at the sandbox. Everyone who has a differing opinion from yours is targeted by you and pummeled by reverse logic and mirrored pionts.
Just LET them have their opinions, because all your doing is making them pissed off at you for stupid reasons.
 

I love the irony here because the schoolyard bully title would belong to you especially when you're the one insulting others and trying to turn opinion into fact since you don't want to be wrong.  Its not my fault that you're getting angry since you can't handle the truth.

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Maybe you should do the research before jumping to conclsion then lashing out because you're doing the opposite of what you preach.

...Yet another comment that examplifies yourself. 
Seriously, this entire time, you've been making yourself look like the schoolyard bully at the sandbox. You pummle anyone with differing opinions then you with reverse logic and mirrored points, using flawed facts that you are too pridefull to admit are wrong. I start to wonder if these arguements are even relevent to you anymore, and if this isn't just you putting everyone down because your pride got hurt.
You need to let these people have opinions and agree to DISAGREE if you can't ever come to a head, or all your going to do is gt them pissed off at you for such stupit reasons as a wounded pride.

Haters gonna hate even when the insulting is coming from you.

1. You are talking into a mirror. This is group consensis, based on Everyone else's opinion of you. The irony is that you call people ignorant, which is an insult, even though you say insults don't work.
That's called  a pot calling the kettle black.
You repeatadly clame that everyone else uses opinion instead of fact, which only YOU claim to have, yet have produced no credible source that makes your word any less opinion. And you constantly dodge the question of showing anyone any info source, by attacking the question and debating it over and over. 
That's called a red herring.
You never give a valid answer for anything, and will loop the question, without ever actually refuting the point.
That's called a strawman.

2. You didn't deny the statement.
And as I said in point 1. all you have ever done thus far is be condesending to others. You have NEVER admitted that you have been wrong about anything, even when you have everyone else you talk to telling you otherwise.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Silver...why do you bother?

Its Blue-mother****ing-protoss. It'll go in one ear, out the other if he even reads half of what you wrote. I'm convinced he just skims at best since he hardly ever adresses the actual points people leave behind.

Pot calling the kettle is all I see here and thats very accurate with you based on how you only care about the opinions that some share with you rather then the facts.

silverexile17s wrote...

I can't just let him put everyone down when the facts he's using are so flawed. 

If I was really flawed then I wouldn't be using logic or common sense.

ld1449 wrote...

I personally find it easy to ignore ignorance.

Don't have the time or patience to give a flying **** about what a proven moron thinks or says about XYZ thing. 

But good luck. Every word out of his mouth  just makes him a bigger laughing stock amongst the BSN[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

This is very ironic since I'm not the one insulting people over the Internet.  You should know that insulting people over the Internet is useless and destroys credability.

1. You cannot say that since you still have not posted a source material that makes your opinions any more fact then anyone elses. Put something up that proves that ANYTHING you have said is "Fact."
The pot is calling the kettle black, all right, but you are looking out the window, instead of looking in the mirror, where the kettle really is.

2. Again, you have not given anything that validates that claim. Flawed logic is ecentally what you are using, by constantly saying that your word is logic, yet putting up no supporting proof, and discounting everything from Dictionaries to wikis as sources of factual information.

3. That's how everyone ELSE sees you. They don't take anything you say as credible.
This has already happened to you.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...


1. That's the POINT. It's NOT anger, it's dissapointment. After the high notes that ME2 and DA:O ended on, people expected to get a satisfying conclusion to the story they crafted for years. There was no warning that the ending would be SO damn bittersweet, that it woul nearly KILL the desire to replay, or import. At this point, they DO dislike the ending, but it's mostly because they are dissapointed. Sure, there is still anger in there, but it's the minroaty at this point.

Yet there is more anger then disappointment thats present here.  If it was really disappointment then you would have moved on already.

silverexile17s wrote...

2.Troxa agree with me and said that Star Wars IS a class 3 civilazation. To recap:
We humans right now are type 0, multiple civilazations on one planet.
type 1 is planetary, where a united civilazation spans the entire planet.
type 2 is colonialism of outlaying star systems.
type 3 is galactic, where the civilazation is spread throughout the entire galaxy.
Type 4 is when a civilization controls other galaxies.
Star Wars is TYPE 3. Galactic. One Galaxy. NO OTHERS.

Yet Star Wars isn't contained to one galaxy whether its a movie, video game, comic, or novel series.

1. You would be suprised about how long dissapointment can last.
In some cases, dissapointment for something is what is mistaken as anger when it comes to the phrase "Holding a Grudge."
That's not lingering anger. Anger dissapates pretty quick. It's dissapointment that stays with you a long time. And sometimes, dissapointment can re-ignite anger.
But the emotion that is the lasting source of all this is dissipointment, and your preceved anger is a reaction TO lingering dissippointment.

2. These all take place IN THE SAME GALAXY. The thing that is different is the Date and Time Period in which they take place. That's it.

[augustburnt]

arial wrote...

 The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.

since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.

It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.

When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.

Because theres no the endings could just be complete **** done by a lazy developement team. *sarcasm off*