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[puppy maclove]

@ OP, open a window.. you need a higher oxygen intake.

[N7 Lisbeth]

arial wrote...

 The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.

since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.

It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.

When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.

I disagree. The fault is with Bioware.

I ignore the A,B,C argument because it's irrelevent to me. I don't care if they promised it wouldn't be like that, I solely judge Bioware's fault by the story's lack of closure in a game that is the last of Shepard's adventures. Ending the game the way they did (in Destroy) is a golden candidate for the Darwin Awards. Anyone that says differently is trying to sell you something.

[Fiery Phoenix]

While I agree folks may have expected too much, I do not agree that is the reason behind the dislike for the ending.

[CaIIisto]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

While I agree folks may have expected too much, I do not agree that is the reason behind the dislike for the ending.

No, that's because they're terrible.

[JamieCOTC]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

No, I'm pretty sure the ending was poorly-received because it was awful.

Yep. The ending is a long conversation w/ a weak character we've never met about choices that are disconnected w/ the rest of the game in order to save a faceless galaxy. It's also anti-climatic and (pre EC) has all the emotion of a wet rag. 

[CrazyRah]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

No, I'm pretty sure the ending was poorly-received because it was awful.

This sounds spot on to me

[Oxtail Soup]

The OP has to be trolling. It's seven months now since we all died inside from the ending, because (as Cthulu points out) it was awful.

Modifié par Oxtail Soup, 09 octobre 2012 - 07:45 .

[Headcount]

I got more out of the ending to the Sopranos than the ME3 endings and that's saying alot.

[arial]

Oxtail Soup wrote...

The OP has to be trolling. It's seven months now since we all died inside from the ending, because (as Cthulu points out) it was awful.

just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are trolling.

I am completely serious, therefore, by definition, I am not trolling.

[wantedman dan]

arial wrote...

Oxtail Soup wrote...

The OP has to be trolling. It's seven months now since we all died inside from the ending, because (as Cthulu points out) it was awful.

just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are trolling.

I am completely serious, therefore, by definition, I am not trolling.

I don't know if that's more concerning than you trolling.

I'm still waiting for that correlating data for the OP, btw.

[arial]

wantedman dan wrote...

arial wrote...

Oxtail Soup wrote...

The OP has to be trolling. It's seven months now since we all died inside from the ending, because (as Cthulu points out) it was awful.

just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are trolling.

I am completely serious, therefore, by definition, I am not trolling.

I don't know if that's more concerning than you trolling.

I'm still waiting for that correlating data for the OP, btw.

and Im waiting for you to give data that disproves it.

Its not the kind of thing people realise they are doing, its subliminal, like how people shun those who are different without knowing they are doing so.

most of the things we do in life we are not even aware we are doing them.

[wantedman dan]

arial wrote...

and Im waiting for you to give data that disproves it.

Its not the kind of thing people realise they are doing, its subliminal, like how people shun those who are different without knowing they are doing so.

most of the things we do in life we are not even aware we are doing them.

Educational moment: You made the claim, ergo the onus is on you to prove it. One cannot prove a negative, only disprove a postive.

It's called the Burden of Proof.

[Iakus]

arial wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

arial wrote...

Oxtail Soup wrote...

The OP has to be trolling. It's seven months now since we all died inside from the ending, because (as Cthulu points out) it was awful.

just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are trolling.

I am completely serious, therefore, by definition, I am not trolling.

I don't know if that's more concerning than you trolling.

I'm still waiting for that correlating data for the OP, btw.

and Im waiting for you to give data that disproves it.

Its not the kind of thing people realise they are doing, its subliminal, like how people shun those who are different without knowing they are doing so.

most of the things we do in life we are not even aware we are doing them.

You made the initial assertion.  Burden of proof is on you.

Or as the teachers say "Show your work"

[wantedman dan]

Also, arial dear, there is such a thing as qualitative data.

[Robhuzz]

Xellith wrote...

They overhyped it and it didnt even come close to the greatness and feel of ME1 and 2.

This.

They both overhyped the game and messed up so greatly it didn't even come close to how awesome ME1 or ME2 were.

[Vargeisa]

I was rather dissapointed with ME2. Great game, just rather pointless as a part of a trilogy.
Didn't even buy 3 until it was half price, so I was aware the endings supposedly sucked before I played the game.
Didn't catch any of the hype.

Nobody had lower expectations than me. And I still thought the ending was rubbish.
(was happily surprised by most of the rest of the game though)

[arial]

wantedman dan wrote...

arial wrote...

and Im waiting for you to give data that disproves it.

Its not the kind of thing people realise they are doing, its subliminal, like how people shun those who are different without knowing they are doing so.

most of the things we do in life we are not even aware we are doing them.

Educational moment: You made the claim, ergo the onus is on you to prove it. One cannot prove a negative, only disprove a postive.

It's called the Burden of Proof.

look man, I know people IRL that hated the endings, and I know those who liked it.

The majority of those who hated it had played previous games, or had some prior knowledge of the franchise.
And the majority who liked it had no prior knowledge of the franchise.

I took a few Physchology classes back in University (before I started majoring in Computer Science), and its quite obvious.


the reason the majority of those who hated it had some prior knowledge of the series is simple, you were wishing hopeing and speculating all at the same time, wether you realise you were or not, many of a persons thoughts are subliminal, this is why you get random songs stuck in your head, or start craveing a certain food.

Anyways, I am done argueing with you who are obviously trying to troll my thread (as always).

I've got a date, so so long and good night!

[chemiclord]

There's a million reasons why the ending to ME3 was poorly received.

First and foremost, it's pure garbage. A logical and emotional mess of disjointed points about a mangled theme that had seemingly been resolved. Even with the EC, it barely sates the emotional satisfaction of about half the player base, and that's being generous.

That said, it IS true that fans had blown the expectations of the game far above and beyond what Bioware was able to deliver. If you completely divorce yourself from the emotional investment (which is apparently impossible for much of the angry mob), the narrative structure of ME3 is pretty much EXACTLY the same as the first two they liked. It's not like ME1 or ME2 gave you particularly wildly divergent paths. They ALL funnel to a small handful of decisions that pretty much completely ignore the choices you made prior.

Now, with THAT said, Bioware did themselves no favors, and were perfectly willing to stoke the fires of fan expectations with a lot of claims and press that with the timing involved, looks like they would have KNOWN was not going to be true at the time they said it. I won't go into them again (mostly because those empty promises have been harped on plenty of times already).

On top of all THAT, there was pretty much NO ONE in the gaming journalism department who even THOUGHT to say, "Ya know... this is an awful lot to promise... we should get someone to look into that" or "Ya know... it might not be a particularly good idea for one of our talking heads to take a job in a game we're reviewing... just a thought." They simply lapped up every press release, and happily fanned the flames more, often completely making up things (the 16 wildly different endings, for example, comes entirely from IGN with no correlating statement from Bioware to support it) when they weren't drooling over every bit of dirty money coming their way.

[ericjdev]

Yeah it must be that, it couldn't be just that they were derivative, jarringly narrative breaking and rendered every decision you ever made in all three games meaningless, were riddle with stale plot devices and gaping plotholes and written by two jackasses high on their own egos without any peer review. They were poorly received because they were and remain entirely dreadful and unworthy of all that came before it. Sure expectations were high but that doesn't mean that the ending wasn't a huge steaming dump.

[ShepComing4U]

 Uh no, thats not why I didn't like ME3. I didnt like it because of the ending, which definitely didnt live up to my expectations.

[Kaos_Scorpio]

The kid to me represents something that Shepard knows and can trust, an image that has followed him since the reaper invasion. And the ending to me reminds me of Star Wars, Luke battles his way to the Emperor just to in the end have his daddy save him because of his lack of true ability to do so. I think this falls in line with the ME3 ending of fighting to reach the end just to fall short due to the failure of your own inability. So the anger caused by this was simply the fact I'm Shepard and I don't need daddy to save me, the fact we had a near absolute choice over who lives or dies just to in the end dang well near bleed out and choose 3 ideas of how you wish to exemplify your failure is kind of insulting.

[CaIIisto]

chemiclord wrote...
There's a million reasons why the ending to ME3 was poorly received.

There's really only one....

[Warrior Craess]

arial wrote...

 The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.

since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.

It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.

When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.

Before ME3 I hardly posted here. I didn't read any of the "wish list" stuff for ME3... the endings just sucked, thats whats wrong with them. 

[Headcount]

When I won the game with the original endings, I actually thought I lost. I mean, the relays exploded with the Normandy running and it crashed on a planet from the shock wave. This left to you to wonder what happened to the fleet, earth and everything else. That ending is supposed to make you believe that you won?

Modifié par Headcount, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:12 .

[kyban]

Warrior Craess wrote...

arial wrote...

 The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.

since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.

It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.

When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.

Before ME3 I hardly posted here. I didn't read any of the "wish list" stuff for ME3... the endings just sucked, thats whats wrong with them. 

I never was a part of BSN until the endings as well. I came here to voice my opinion because i care so much.

But back to the OP, i agree that's part of the problem. I feel that another problem with the ending is that its too different an ideal. ME1 was highly mythological when it came to the reapers. Yes its a sci-fi but it had much influence from the cthulhu mythos and it showed. ME3's ending was a technological singularity.

It's been debated quite a bit, But I think one of the easiest ways to describe why this matters, is as follows:
Star Wars fans Vs. Star Trek fans.