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[hiraeth]

Headcount wrote...

When I won the game with the original endings, I actually thought I lost. I mean, the relays exploded with the Normandy running and it crashed on a planet from the shock wave. This left to you to wonder what happened to the fleet, earth and everything else. That ending is supposed to make you believe that you won?

yeah i went straight to youtube after i finished the ending to see if just picked a really bad ending or missed something along the way and then i hit all the RGB videos and i was like "oh....WOW."

[wantedman dan]

arial wrote...

look man, I know people IRL that hated the endings, and I know those who liked it.

The majority of those who hated it had played previous games, or had some prior knowledge of the franchise.
And the majority who liked it had no prior knowledge of the franchise.

I took a few Physchology classes back in University (before I started majoring in Computer Science), and its quite obvious.


the reason the majority of those who hated it had some prior knowledge of the series is simple, you were wishing hopeing and speculating all at the same time, wether you realise you were or not, many of a persons thoughts are subliminal, this is why you get random songs stuck in your head, or start craveing a certain food.

Anyways, I am done argueing with you who are obviously trying to troll my thread (as always).

I've got a date, so so long and good night!

Just absolutely brilliant dataset you have there.

[someone else]

arial wrote...

look man, I know people IRL that hated the endings, and I know those who liked it.

The majority of those who hated it had played previous games, or had some prior knowledge of the franchise.
And the majority who liked it had no prior knowledge of the franchise.

I took a few Physchology classes back in University (before I started majoring in Computer Science), and its quite obvious.


the reason the majority of those who hated it had some prior knowledge of the series is simple, you were wishing hopeing and speculating all at the same time, wether you realise you were or not, many of a persons thoughts are subliminal, this is why you get random songs stuck in your head, or start craveing a certain food.

Anyways, I am done argueing with you who are obviously trying to troll my thread (as always).

I've got a date, so so long and good night!

...proving once again how dangerous a VERY little knowledge can be.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Headcount wrote...

When I won the game with the original endings, I actually thought I lost. I mean, the relays exploded with the Normandy running and it crashed on a planet from the shock wave. This left to you to wonder what happened to the fleet, earth and everything else. That ending is supposed to make you believe that you won?

yeah i went straight to youtube after i finished the ending to see if just picked a really bad ending or missed something along the way and then i hit all the RGB videos and i was like "oh....WOW."

You too? I was in total disbelief. It was 3:20 a.m. when I finished. I had to finish because the game wouldn't let me make a save. I'd have to go back to almost an hour earlier. So I pushed through to the end. I sat there stunned through the credits hoping that there was something secret after them, and there was this "my sweet" scene and this "Buy DLC" screen. Yes, I got the breath.

Then I found THIS

[Tomwew]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Headcount wrote...

When I won the game with the original endings, I actually thought I lost. I mean, the relays exploded with the Normandy running and it crashed on a planet from the shock wave. This left to you to wonder what happened to the fleet, earth and everything else. That ending is supposed to make you believe that you won?

yeah i went straight to youtube after i finished the ending to see if just picked a really bad ending or missed something along the way and then i hit all the RGB videos and i was like "oh....WOW."

You too? I was in total disbelief. It was 3:20 a.m. when I finished. I had to finish because the game wouldn't let me make a save. I'd have to go back to almost an hour earlier. So I pushed through to the end. I sat there stunned through the credits hoping that there was something secret after them, and there was this "my sweet" scene and this "Buy DLC" screen. Yes, I got the breath.

Then I found THIS

i was EXACTLY the same, after i watched the credits roll the first time i was dumbfounded, i thought i'd done a chrono trigger and gotten one of the weird endings so i looked online and nope. that was it. in three colours of course. i'm still shocked the original ending passed any kind of quality test.

[DeadpoolBub]

The endings were poorly received because there wasn't one "happy" ending, which is what most of us wanted. & now the only "happy" ending can be interpreted as a dark one too.

Did Bioware really expect people to stand for that, when they promised multiple endings & when they knew people were so attached to the game's characetrs?

[hukbum]

Tomwew wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Headcount wrote...

When I won the game with the original endings, I actually thought I lost. I mean, the relays exploded with the Normandy running and it crashed on a planet from the shock wave. This left to you to wonder what happened to the fleet, earth and everything else. That ending is supposed to make you believe that you won?

yeah i went straight to youtube after i finished the ending to see if just picked a really bad ending or missed something along the way and then i hit all the RGB videos and i was like "oh....WOW."

You too? I was in total disbelief. It was 3:20 a.m. when I finished. I had to finish because the game wouldn't let me make a save. I'd have to go back to almost an hour earlier. So I pushed through to the end. I sat there stunned through the credits hoping that there was something secret after them, and there was this "my sweet" scene and this "Buy DLC" screen. Yes, I got the breath.

Then I found THIS

i was EXACTLY the same, after i watched the credits roll the first time i was dumbfounded, i thought i'd done a chrono trigger and gotten one of the weird endings so i looked online and nope. that was it. in three colours of course. i'm still shocked the original ending passed any kind of quality test.

Well lucky you ...
I'm German and I've played the game in english (never found a game with good translation and voice acting) so I thought I misunderstood something in the dialogue. I listened to the damn child about ten times and couldn't make any sense out of the stuff it was talking about. Ten times ... and then I started youtube ...

[Ithurael]

DeadpoolBub wrote...

The endings were poorly received because there wasn't one "happy" ending, which is what most of us wanted. & now the only "happy" ending can be interpreted as a dark one too.

Did Bioware really expect people to stand for that, when they promised multiple endings & when they knew people were so attached to the game's characetrs?

They were not poorly received because they weren't happy. They were poorly received because the broke the lore, wrecked the story's central conflict, killed the genre, abandoned all characters that you came to love, and (pre EC) had absolutly no narrative coherence.

Post EC the only items that are 'fixed' are Character Development (partial at best) and Narrative Coherence (almost kinda fixed) Genre and Central Conflict are still left in the dust. Not to mention the fact that now ME1-2 are all called into question.

[hiraeth]

hukbum wrote...
Well lucky you ...
I'm German and I've played the game in english (never found a game with good translation and voice acting) so I thought I misunderstood something in the dialogue. I listened to the damn child about ten times and couldn't make any sense out of the stuff it was talking about. Ten times ... and then I started youtube ...

it's not just you- i'm a native english speaker and i still couldn't understand what the hell he was saying

[hiraeth]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You too? I was in total disbelief. It was 3:20 a.m. when I finished. I had to finish because the game wouldn't let me make a save. I'd have to go back to almost an hour earlier. So I pushed through to the end. I sat there stunned through the credits hoping that there was something secret after them, and there was this "my sweet" scene and this "Buy DLC" screen. Yes, I got the breath.

Then I found THIS

that video is quite possibly the best thing to come out of the ME3 ending

[Jostle]

arial wrote...

 people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.

And the reason that they found was a rushed game with a strange ending that provided no closure to a trilogy, but instead raised many questions and opened many plot holes. I think you're on to something here!

[kalpain]

Maybe someone mentioned this and I missed it but it wasn't fans that over hyped the game...

[Snypy]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

yeah i went straight to youtube after i finished the ending to see if just picked a really bad ending or missed something along the way and then i hit all the RGB videos and i was like "oh....WOW."

You too? I was in total disbelief. It was 3:20 a.m. when I finished. I had to finish because the game wouldn't let me make a save. I'd have to go back to almost an hour earlier. So I pushed through to the end. I sat there stunned through the credits hoping that there was something secret after them, and there was this "my sweet" scene and this "Buy DLC" screen. Yes, I got the breath.

Then I found THIS

I was in total disbelief as well. I spent several hours searching for answers, trying to figure out what I did wrong. (I was telling myself: "Come on, this can't be it!") And when I found out that it was a "good" ending, I spent the whole night thinking how terrible the conclusion of the trilogy was. I didn't touch the game until I had the EC installed.

[KevShep]

They got some of there Deus Ex in my Mass Effect 3.


So, what do I call it now?...Deus Effect?

[Ridwan]

I'm sorry, but you're so so wrong thread starter.

Let me point out what most gamers want, and NO I'm not including the pretentious "art" lovers, you know who I'm talking about. That one guy who instead of watching Bloodsport with the rest of guys tries to get you all to watch 2000 Space Odyssey, not caring that (in reality) it's an incredible boring film. Or worse, a Contact lover.

We wanted to feel like a boss, we wanted a good conclusion based on our choices and when we discovered war assets we wanted to actually SEE those war assets in the game, and we sure as wanted a better final mission than the one we got. A cheap cop out writing excuse like that dumb kid, that nearly everyone tried to kill is not a good ending, and if you can't see that then you're either the definition of a drone, a paid poster or someone who couldn't recognise actual good writing if it bit you in the rear end.

Modifié par M25105, 10 octobre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Maxster_]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

hukbum wrote...
Well lucky you ...
I'm German and I've played the game in english (never found a game with good translation and voice acting) so I thought I misunderstood something in the dialogue. I listened to the damn child about ten times and couldn't make any sense out of the stuff it was talking about. Ten times ... and then I started youtube ...

it's not just you- i'm a native english speaker and i still couldn't understand what the hell he was saying

It is not a thing you can comprehend.

I came to forums to find information on how to evade harbringer shot. I was already tired from untolerable level of nonsense and lore-butchering of thessia and especially priority:earth, so i just wanted to finish this crap and forget about it. So i actually never finished the game before knowing that retarded dialogue. I just watched youtube variant.

Modifié par Maxster_, 10 octobre 2012 - 10:02 .

[XqctaX]

arial wrote...

 The real reason the ending(s) were poorly recieved is quite simple.

since the day ME3 was anounced, people started speculating on what features it would have, how the story would progress, etc.

It came to the state where No game could realisticly match what fans expected.

When the game finally came out, and it could not live up to what people were sure it would be, people looked for every possible reason to blame for their dissatisfaction.

i call bull**** 

fans was told what was "Not" going to be ingame. but then it was anyways.
and the other way around, fans was told was they wanted to put in game, then they droped things.

also the narrative and theme's of the franshise was droped.

So im going to do just as the game does and blame the Creators. cheers

[Ithurael]

Maxster_ wrote...

It is not a thing you can comprehend.

This is easily one of the best things to come out of ME3 by far.:wizard:

[MrFob]

No OP, sorry but the problems go way beyond that.
When I started the game, I was disappointed, yes and back then, I thought it was exactly for the reason you describe. As I played however, especially as I played through Tuchanka and Rannoch, I got caught up. I thought it was excellent, as close to perfect as it could come. By the time the combined fleets arrived at the Sol system and started to fight the reapers, I was literally sitting in front of my monitor, cheering for the fleets (the first time ever, that I did anything even close to that). I saw the mistakes and the little quirks (like the journal and the fetch quests and all that) and I didn't care at all because the experience as a whole was brilliant.
Than the ending came and tossed me from these heights into a very deep hole. So you see, the game as whole actually fullfilled my expectations. It's just a very small part of it that is the problem, unfortunately, it turns out this small part is its achilles heel.
Also, if you look at all the discussions, it's not like people have random misgivings or unspecific concerns. Most can articulate very well what the problems are and many come along with similar views. That to me is clear indication that something really is wrong rather then epople just venting because they wanted more.
I am not saying that doesn't happen at all, I am just saying that you cannot explain away the problems with this argument.

[rekn2]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Just a couple of the reasons why endings were poorly received:

1. We were told we wouldn't get an A, B, C type endings. We got an R, G, B type ending and that is no different that an A, B, C type ending

2. We were told there would be no Reaper off switch. That is exactly what the crucible was. You either shoot a tube, jump into a beam of energy, or grab some energy handles to assume control. Either way it is a Reaper off switch and stops the war just like that.

It had nothing to do with the game being overhyped but that we got exactly what the creators of the game said we wouldn't.

exactly. middleschool level of writing is the problem, not hype

[xcomcmdr]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

No, I'm pretty sure the ending was poorly-received because it was awful.

awful, contains a brat you want to kill, senseless sacrifice of the player character, anti-climatic bull****, full of plotholes, bitterness, disconnected from the rest of the series, and three 'choices' : genocide, totalitarism, and forced "synthesis" bull****.

All in all, a totale waste. It forms the final ****hole in which the series ended.

Bravo Bioware, bravo !

[shepskisaac]

The main reason they were negatively received was lack of answers. The character of the Catalyst was introduced to give them to the player, be the final "the world's secrets are revealed" moment, yet they made it so vague it created more questions than it answered. That and everything that happened after using the Crucible (what happens with the galaxy, races, squadmates etc) + the straight-out plotholes like teleporting squadmates and Joker's inexplicable actions. Had EC been there from day 1, there would be no big outrage. Sure there would be some complaints, like pretty much with every ending to a long-going series, but nothing like happened in March/April.

[goofyomnivore]

The reason I believe the endings aren't very good is;

Everything to do with the retake Earth is dumb.

A few of the biggest issues are;

Teleporting squadmates (EC version is a teleporting Normandy) which honestly isn't any better. It took Joker like 2 seconds to get from TAKING FIRE to sup who do I need to pick up. Harbinger who was methodically slaying the whole Hammer squad just stops, let's Shepard have a goodbye for his injured squadmate, and I have no idea why my other squadmate went with them instead of just tossing them to one of the grunts and staying in the fight. The low EMS scene is actually better logically, you see your two squadmates get roasted, but wtf does EMS have to do with Harbinger's accuracy.

Once you go up the beam it gets a lot worse. TIM gets psuedo biotics all of the sudden. Then the Catalyst is just idk, so stupid 'you have to shoot this pipe thing to destroy us and fire the Crucible' -- Okay if you're conceding your destruction why can't you just turn off your shields for us and let us umm destroy you. Or in Control 'you will replace me as the Catalyst and become Reaper general' -- okay if you're conceding your control to me just leave as I command and so I don't have to fire the Crucible. It is almost as stupid as why/how Synthesis merges everything from a virus to a Reaper into a hybrid.

Modifié par strive, 10 octobre 2012 - 03:00 .

[dorktainian]

xcomcmdr wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

No, I'm pretty sure the ending was poorly-received because it was awful.

awful, contains a brat you want to kill, senseless sacrifice of the player character, anti-climatic bull****, full of plotholes, bitterness, disconnected from the rest of the series, and three 'choices' : genocide, totalitarism, and forced "synthesis" bull****.

All in all, a totale waste. It forms the final ****hole in which the series ended.

Bravo Bioware, bravo !

nice.

[Klijpope]

drayfish wrote...

I think this is a vast (and rather insulting) miss-categorisation for a lot of fans.
 
I don't hate the endings because they are 'disappointing', or 'lacklustre' or because I was 'promised more'; I morally and intellectually reject the very clear are repulsive message that they are advancing.
 
I would have welcomed a sorrowful ending, or a clumsy ending (we've seen enough of them in popular entertainment that it's a genuine surprise when we don't get such a thing), but what Mass Effect chose to do at its conclusion was promote an amoral hypothetical that even its writers had not fully thought through. Mistaking hubris for talent they tossed an ethical hand grenade into the room and ran, destroying the themes of inclusivity and hope that they had cultivated throughout the series and leaving the fan base to bicker over 'fun' topics like whether or not it's 'genocide' to exterminate a race if you didn't really want to do it...
 
The irresponsibility and arrogance of that action is what insults me, and why I find the endings so artless and grotesque.

Do not think I have ever seen a more thoroughly pompous post on these boards. Also, need to learn what the word "artless" means.

The ethics and morality of the ending are ultimately a matter of taste, and this just seems like a very pretentious way of saying "I want a happy ending".