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[legbamel]

MillKill wrote...

legbamel wrote...
I rather liked Sebastian until he responded to my third statement thatse needed to return to Starkhaven. And face his responsibilities with a "proposal" that we both marry Andraste and live in chaste harmony with the Grand Cleric. After Anders did his thing that run I wanted to say, "See! We'd have been in there if I'd listened to you!"

My problem with him wasn't that he was religious but that he didn't grow a spine until the last moment. Had he been that decisive ot forceful the whole game I'd have loved him.

Seeing someone they care about murdered by a terrorist tends to have a strong effect on people. Honestly, He's the companion I'd most like to see in Inquisition. He has a ton of room for development.

I agree that there's lots of room for character development.  My issue was with the writing of his "romance".  Even though I explicitly told hime at every opportunity that I wanted him to go back to Starkhaven he still proposed that I drop everything and join the Chantry sisterhood.  If he was that devoted what the heck was he doing running around the Free Marches with me?

[MillKill]

legbamel wrote...

MillKill wrote...

legbamel wrote...
I rather liked Sebastian until he responded to my third statement thatse needed to return to Starkhaven. And face his responsibilities with a "proposal" that we both marry Andraste and live in chaste harmony with the Grand Cleric. After Anders did his thing that run I wanted to say, "See! We'd have been in there if I'd listened to you!"

My problem with him wasn't that he was religious but that he didn't grow a spine until the last moment. Had he been that decisive ot forceful the whole game I'd have loved him.

Seeing someone they care about murdered by a terrorist tends to have a strong effect on people. Honestly, He's the companion I'd most like to see in Inquisition. He has a ton of room for development.

I agree that there's lots of room for character development.  My issue was with the writing of his "romance".  Even though I explicitly told hime at every opportunity that I wanted him to go back to Starkhaven he still proposed that I drop everything and join the Chantry sisterhood.  If he was that devoted what the heck was he doing running around the Free Marches with me?

Were you friendmancing him? He wants to stay with the chantry on the friensdship path and he wants to take back Starkhaven on the rivalry path.

[Melca36]

I would have respected Sebastian MORE if he had aimed his bow at Anders instead of making Hawke do it.

Hawke could have had the choice of stopping Sebastian or letting him kill Anders. That would have played so much better.

[Todd23]

Melca36 wrote...

I would have respected Sebastian MORE if he had aimed his bow at Anders instead of making Hawke do it.

Hawke could have had the choice of stopping Sebastian or letting him kill Anders. That would have played so much better.

This. 

[frostajulie]

Eveangaline wrote...


Also that he threatened to murder all of kirkwall if I didn't

I quote this because I read that he is the most kind and compassionate character in the series.  I quote this to say
"Surely you jest?"

Varric, Fenris, Merrill, Bethany, Anders all of them much kinder and more compassionate than that turd.

It also was not the first time Sebastien threatens to harm innocent people because of his religious beliefs and he see nothing wrong with it, hes a huge hypocrite in that respect at least Anders is consistent in his beliefs.  Sebastien only practices what he preaches when it suits him.

[LinksOcarina]

MillKill wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

I don't want another crazy chantry nut who is a bland waffle and is impossible to get in a relationship with (Which isn't rewarding if you succeed anyways) 

Sebastian was probably the most sane and balanced of Hawke's companions.

People have a serious bias against organized religion here. The fact that he is the kindest, most compassionate, noble-hearted companion is irrelevant if he is also faithful. Leliana gets a very similar reaction.

Which is stupid...

To be honest, I want to see MORE of Sebastian because I think he has a lot more of a story to tell. And hell, he did promise to raise an army towards Kirkwall  in some of my playthroughs...he needs to be involved somehow in some playthroughs.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:40 .

[berelinde]

I wouldn't mind Sebastian returning if that assertiveness he found at the end of DA2 stuck. I mean, I liked him well enough, but he suffered from the same problem that Bethany did. He was so inoffensive that he was bland.

Different strokes, I know. I guess that's why there are always more companions than you need to make up a party.

[Zkyire]

frostajulie wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...


Also that he threatened to murder all of kirkwall if I didn't

I quote this because I read that he is the most kind and compassionate character in the series.  I quote this to say
"Surely you jest?"

Varric, Fenris, Merrill, Bethany, Anders all of them much kinder and more compassionate than that turd.

It also was not the first time Sebastien threatens to harm innocent people because of his religious beliefs and he see nothing wrong with it, hes a huge hypocrite in that respect at least Anders is consistent in his beliefs.  Sebastien only practices what he preaches when it suits him.

The Grand Cleric was basically acting as a mother to him since his own family was killed.

He was devoting his life to the Chantry.

Then your pal Anders blew it up, murdering everyone inside.

The last few people he truly cared about, slaughtered before him.

..and expect Sebastian to, what? Stand there and accept it?

He was pissed after what just happened. People say **** when they're angry. And this was worse.

Modifié par Zkyire, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:39 .

[LobselVith8]

Melca36 wrote...

I would have respected Sebastian MORE if he had aimed his bow at Anders instead of making Hawke do it.

It's not as though Sebastian is the only passive person in the story, but I agree; I think it would have been better for the character to try to kill Anders directly, rather than depending entirely on Hawke to carry out Anders' execution. The same way that Alistair wanted Loghain dead during the Landsmeet.

[XCelfa]

Melca36 wrote...

As someone who dislikes Sebastian more than Fenris...

I want to see Sebastian.

I want to see him drunk and disheveled in some tavern, his accent thick because of the booze, and his andraste belt buckle hanging loose.

Hahaha. This would be perfection.

[MillKill]

frostajulie wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...


Also that he threatened to murder all of kirkwall if I didn't

I quote this because I read that he is the most kind and compassionate character in the series.  I quote this to say
"Surely you jest?"

Varric, Fenris, Merrill, Bethany, Anders all of them much kinder and more compassionate than that turd.

It also was not the first time Sebastien threatens to harm innocent people because of his religious beliefs and he see nothing wrong with it, hes a huge hypocrite in that respect at least Anders is consistent in his beliefs.  Sebastien only practices what he preaches when it suits him.

He just saw the person he cared most about along with with hundreds of other innocents brutally murdered by someone that was supposed to be his friend. Then, Hawke lets the murderer go. I can't imagine anyone not being upset and saying some things in anger they don't really mean. Being utterly outraged and angry is normal for anyone. Sebastian is already somewhat hot-blooded. He'll cool down. He seriously hesitated about taking Starkhaven back, citing the innocents that would be hurt. Sebastian might try to bring Anders to justice (rightfully), but he doesn't have the ruthlessness necessary to actually follow through on burning down Kirkwall.

edit: Ninja'd by Zkyire

Modifié par MillKill, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:49 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

He wants to stay with the chantry on the friensdship path

Actually he ends up staying with the Chantry on any path, only on the friendship path he reaffirms his vows and on the rivalry path he doesn't, but on either path he ends up staying with the Chantry in some capacity.

I would have respected Sebastian MORE if he had aimed his bow at Anders instead of making Hawke do it.

It would have been an excellent moment for character growth, unfortunately it was more important to the originally planned "future content" that Hawke make the decision, as far as I know. Still, there should have been the option to make Sebastian take the killing blow, if you had decided not to spare Anders.

He contemplated turning in Anders and Merrill, but he always seemed to be unaware that Hawke was a mage living outside the Circle.

Gah, he thought about turning in Merrill and Anders because Merrill practices Blood Magic, something that Sebastian has been raised to view as evil and dangerous, and Anders regularly rants about the oppressive nature of the Chantry, not to mention he's constantly baiting Sebastian with threats for the majority of their party banter. Mage Hawke has never threatened Sebastian's existence or his beliefs, he had no reason to ever turn him/her in.

And before anyone jumps onto the band-wagon. I don't condone what Sebastian said in his party banter with Fenris, but it was poorly handled on the Developer's part because that entire thing should have been a full blown conversation between Sebastian and Hawke, so that Hawke had the opportunity to respond. 


Melca: Whenever I talk about turning Sebastian into a useless drunk no one pays attention, yet you mention it and everyone is on board with the idea. How do you do it? Is it magic?

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:57 .

[Wulfram]

Sebastian really could have done with more stuff acknowledging Hawke being a mage. Like when he suggests Hawke should be Viscount

[Solmanian]

My problem with sabby is that he came so late, that I didn't realy care about his wants and needs. I allready tuned my squad into a well oiled war machine, and didn't realy have a place to stuff him...

[goofyomnivore]

Sebastian was a good character tbh. Did I share or like his views, no not really. But he grew as a character, especially when he asserted he would retake Starkhaven and chase Anders. The guy had been passive his whole life and finally made a decision.

[Villiamus]

No more, no more threads

[Sylvanpyxie]

The guy had been passive his whole life

Well... No.. Not really. He was passive for all of Dragon Age 2, that's true, but he was rather... Uppity? before that.

He fought against what was expected of him, and he fought hard. He constantly escaped the Chantry to live his life to the fullest, he definitely was *not* passive during that period of his life. I guess he just went through all that and kind of mellowed out...

Actually I, personally, think he only returned to the Chantry because he had no other options available to him. He was never going to be heir, and he had little idea what else to do with himself, so he allowed Elthina to lead him back to the Chantry - That's just my speculation on it though.

But no - Passive for Dragon Age 2, but not his entire life.

[Darth Death]

"Please no ________ like characters" threads are popular today.

[PinkDiamondstl]

Oh lord here we go again. The nerd threads are everywhere today.
How about no more Merril or Fenris like characters in DA3. I'd replace those two for Sebastian any day.

[Eveangaline]

MillKill wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...


Also that he threatened to murder all of kirkwall if I didn't

I quote this because I read that he is the most kind and compassionate character in the series.  I quote this to say
"Surely you jest?"

Varric, Fenris, Merrill, Bethany, Anders all of them much kinder and more compassionate than that turd.

It also was not the first time Sebastien threatens to harm innocent people because of his religious beliefs and he see nothing wrong with it, hes a huge hypocrite in that respect at least Anders is consistent in his beliefs.  Sebastien only practices what he preaches when it suits him.

He just saw the person he cared most about along with with hundreds of other innocents brutally murdered by someone that was supposed to be his friend. Then, Hawke lets the murderer go. I can't imagine anyone not being upset and saying some things in anger they don't really mean. Being utterly outraged and angry is normal for anyone. Sebastian is already somewhat hot-blooded. He'll cool down. He seriously hesitated about taking Starkhaven back, citing the innocents that would be hurt. Sebastian might try to bring Anders to justice (rightfully), but he doesn't have the ruthlessness necessary to actually follow through on burning down Kirkwall.

edit: Ninja'd by Zkyire

So you say. But he said that's what he'd do and we have no indication he didn't at least try to do it.

Look if he had tried to kill anders before talking to hawke, or defy hawke and kill anders, I would perfectly understand that, I got no problem with that. Hell, trying to kill Hawke if Hawke got in the way of him killing Anders, I'd get that too.

Saying that if hawke doesn't kill anders he will come back and murder all of kirkwall is crossing a line, and until we get an indication from the writers or the next game that he didn't try to go through with it, I'd say we have to assume he did what he said

[Lasien]

Zkyire wrote...

MillKill wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

I don't want another crazy chantry nut who is a bland waffle and is impossible to get in a relationship with (Which isn't rewarding if you succeed anyways) 

Sebastian was probably the most sane and balanced of Hawke's companions.

People have a serious bias against organized religion here. The fact that he is the kindest, most compassionate, noble-hearted companion is irrelevant if he is also faithful. Leliana gets a very similar reaction.

Oh I've noticed.

Ditto. <_<

I just didn't like his reaction in the end, but only because there wasn't an option to reason with him - even if it wouldn't have changed his mind.

[Lasien]

Melca36 wrote...

The moment I came to loathe Sebastian was when he told Fenris it was the Maker's will that the little boy got sacrificed.

Maker's Will is synonymous with God's will to me so I stopped recruiting him

That was admittedly badly written, but the idea behind it wasn't supposed to be "the maker wanted the boy to die", it was supposed to be more along the lines of "the maker used the boys death - which was horrible - to make an impact on you"

[Lasien]

Melca36 wrote...

I would have respected Sebastian MORE if he had aimed his bow at Anders instead of making Hawke do it.

Hawke could have had the choice of stopping Sebastian or letting him kill Anders. That would have played so much better.

This! Although there seemed to be an abundance of WTF?! personality flips in the endgame.

[PsychoBlonde]

 My biggest gripes with Sebastian had nothing to do with his personality, and everything to do with the facts that it takes FOREVER for him to join your party and mechanically he's basically identical to Varric.  Why did we need ANOTHER freepin' ranged rogue.  Hell, he'd have been more unique if they'd made him an assassin-type, since Varric was ranged and Izzy was duelist.

 They desperately need to have MORE combat specialization types than companions, not FEWER.