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[PsiMatrix]

I wonder if it's a ploy to hide the true existence of something else. Crazy thought time:

Suppose Omega DLC reveals that Collectors are re-harvested Prothean clones? Think about how The Breeder comes about in the campaign. The Reapers re-engineer a Rachni queen and then harvested the babies for gound forces? Imagine Collectors are made the same way. Start with cloned Protheans and then expose them over time to Indoctrination methods to convert them. Since assests crossover between SP and MP the existence of playable Prothean multiplayer characters akin to Javik would be a pretty big spoiler since the MP stuff is coming first.

So we get Volus placeholders to hide them till Omega comes out.

[Lord Rosario]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

fatmancory wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

fatmancory wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...


Your right.. Volus would be completely OP if they were put in in a lore friendly manner. More resiliant than Krogans, more recources than the Reapers, more technology at their fingertips than the Quarians..

People keep saying that Volus are a joke and I think that is exactly why they do need to be put in; to fix that misconception.

Stopped reading at "more resilliant than Krogans"

Krogan on Volus homeworld = pancake.

Volus on anywhere else than there honeworld = Puddle.

I'm pretty sure a krogan with a suit is more than capable to fight on a volus planet than volus with a suit being able to fight on a krogan planet.

So, how does one that can survive pressures that would crush a tank get hurt by bullets? Assuming their suit is built so they DON'T explode [I'm not going to explain how for the thousanth time... >.>] they would be impervious to just about anything that would normally harm something else.

One would have to re-invent weaponry to hurt them [partical rifle and reegar would probably work, but anything that simply fires a projectile would do just about nothing to something like that.]

As I recently already stated, you already have to suspend any sort of physics belief to assume that Volus can even exist.. It doesn't take any more than that to figure that they could fit into MP.

"Up close exploding rounds, popped that little bastards suit right open!"

Exploding rounds making something explode?

[Rudest]

-Ron Pearlman voice-

War....War never changes.
It was the inevitable result of the path that the Volus and Anti-Volus had chosen.
Everyone who entered into the conflict expected victory; everyone was optimistic...
But as the hostilities escalated, optimism faded. Society began to collapse.

The great DLC was built to house the wealthy, the powerful, the influential.
A final defense against the coming holocaust. With the past behind them and the present destroyed they looked to the future.

The people of the new DLC were to lead the survivors to a new life. A new world...

But after the bombs? That world would be a harsh one...Hardened by the ravages of war, and then tempered by nuclear winter. .

The Forumers of the DLC emerged unscathed... They surveyed the wasteland and squared their shoulders for the task at hand. However.. One's future in the wasteland is always uncertain. For an old power is about to awaken; Life in the wasteland was about to change.

Modifié par Rudest, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:24 .

[Vandicus]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You're asking a race that has never fought directly in a war and that is not suitable for a war to be in a war ughhh U_u

I'm sure the Volus never had conflicts pre-space flight.

That completely ignores the combat flaws of the volus.
AKA exploding when shot off their home planet.

And also completely ignores the combat benefits of the volus. Volus can survive unsuited at higher atmos than every other major race. They live on a planet with 1.5x the gravity of Earth.

Also the idea that volus would explode is pretty stupid. Humans don't explode in a vaccuum. This might be a fatal problem over the course of minutes or hours, but its unlikely to be instantly fatal to a volus. A simple patch would fix the problem.

1.5 times gravity and 60 times the atmospheric pressure. Human out in space is going from 1 atmosphere to 0. Volus in regular atmosphere is going from 60 to 1.. huge explosive difference.

Now, they also have a suit that makes sure they do not explode. It would have many redunancies to keep the Volus from exploding. Unless the whole suit's power system fails, they won't pop even if shot.

THAT said, I want to know how a creature that can withstand pressures that would crush a tank like a ball of tin foil would be harmed by normal bullets. :innocent:

Volus don't fit physics.. They are unrealistic and tying to rationalize them as to why they could or could not be soldiers is stupid.. Take them or leave them when they come out people. They can fit if you suspend as much belief as one has to for them to even fit into single player.

Humans can survive just fine at roughly a quarter of an atmosphere. I would hypotehsize that whatever magical resilience Volus skin has works for both internal and external pressure, so a Volus moving from 60 atms to 59 atms would not be the same as a human moving from 1 atm to 0 atms. I would expect them to be able to survive 15 atms, and the description of Patavig suggests that 22.6 atms is liveable for a volus. 

Though expecting any race to fit physics doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. This isn't exactly a hard science sci-fi universe.

[fatmancory]

Lord Rosario wrote...


So, how does one that can survive pressures that would crush a tank get hurt by bullets? Assuming their suit is built so they DON'T explode [I'm not going to explain how for the thousanth time... >.>] they would be impervious to just about anything that would normally harm something else.

One would have to re-invent weaponry to hurt them [partical rifle and reegar would probably work, but anything that simply fires a projectile would do just about nothing to something like that.]

As I recently already stated, you already have to suspend any sort of physics belief to assume that Volus can even exist.. It doesn't take any more than that to figure that they could fit into MP.

How is being compresd going to make them tougher? most volus seem pretty scarde of guns. Implying they can take more damage than a krogon... You know what, I don't think there's a point in argueing with someone that thinks volus are tougher than krogan. Good day.

[Astartes Marine]

LiarasShield wrote...
Then the volus would die because they don't really fight they allow the turians or mercenaries to do their fighting for them case in point in me2

Codex entries state they provide citizens to become Auxiliaries in the Turian military. May not be top notch, but my experience with Warhammer's Imperial Guard tactics made me understand that even a lowly conscript can play a valuable role in a battle.

Then again, those same conscripts tend to die by the thousands for the glory of the Emperor. I'm gonna shrug my shoulders here until I see these kits in action.

Ledgend1221 wrote...
Name a map that would be suited to volus.
And I'm pretty sure a massive, sudden change in pressure would kill you.
Unless you're an astronaught or deep sea diver who has expierenced such conditions?

Any map would be fine as I very much doubt the exploding Volus would be added. We can survive Banshee stabs, being crushed by Atlases/Brutes, stomps from enemy troopers...

[Malanek]

I can't see how they will work, both having the required mobility without sacrificing the goofy charm which makes the Volus. I can't see how they would climb a ladder (need rocket boosters on feet?). I can't see how they would vault over cover. I can't see how they could run or dodge. I can't see how the melee animations would work.

Other things conflict with the lore as well. How do they have biotic powers comparable to other adepts? How are they going to have suitable physical resilience.

To me the only way this can be done is as a joke class. And I don't think ME is the right genre for that. I don't absolutely despise the fact that it sounds like they are in. I'm not going to kick anyone because they are playing a Volus. But I just don't think it feels right for the game even though it seems like slightly more than half the players want them.

Modifié par Malanek999, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:26 .

[Malanek]

Astartes Marine wrote...
Codex entries state they provide citizens to become Auxiliaries in the Turian military.

But not as ground troops.

[Lord Rosario]

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

APEX KING19 wrote...

Who cares. Get a life stop whinging about volus

Won't do when they're a non combative race

Do us a favor and go corner an animal that isn't a predator. See how non-combatitive a cornered squirrel is when cornered by the dominant species of this planet. 

That doesn't change the fact that the volus have always had others fight for them lol

What do you do when your forces are already busy and stretched thin? The Turians are a part of their own war, the same war, and they don't have enough forces. Hell, Collectors are showing back up, stretching those thin numbers til there IS no more to send out, no more to have fight for you. So, what do you do? You do it yourself.

[Lord Rosario]

fatmancory wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...


So, how does one that can survive pressures that would crush a tank get hurt by bullets? Assuming their suit is built so they DON'T explode [I'm not going to explain how for the thousanth time... >.>] they would be impervious to just about anything that would normally harm something else.

One would have to re-invent weaponry to hurt them [partical rifle and reegar would probably work, but anything that simply fires a projectile would do just about nothing to something like that.]

As I recently already stated, you already have to suspend any sort of physics belief to assume that Volus can even exist.. It doesn't take any more than that to figure that they could fit into MP.

How is being compresd going to make them tougher? most volus seem pretty scarde of guns. Implying they can take more damage than a krogon... You know what, I don't think there's a point in argueing with someone that thinks volus are tougher than krogan. Good day.

No point in arguing with someone without an open mind. Sadly.. that is all to common on the internet. I hold nothing agaisnt you. Good day then.

[LiarasShield]

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

APEX KING19 wrote...

Who cares. Get a life stop whinging about volus

Won't do when they're a non combative race

Do us a favor and go corner an animal that isn't a predator. See how non-combatitive a cornered squirrel is when cornered by the dominant species of this planet. 

That doesn't change the fact that the volus have always had others fight for them lol

What do you do when your forces are already busy and stretched thin? The Turians are a part of their own war, the same war, and they don't have enough forces. Hell, Collectors are showing back up, stretching those thin numbers til there IS no more to send out, no more to have fight for you. So, what do you do? You do it yourself.

Not if your the volus you die because you don't do combat things yourself you allow others to and your body is no where near capable of fighting enemies so you'd  most likely flee then fight and would die in the process

[AmpTuttle]

[Mindlog]

The Yahg were originally Volus.

[AresKeith]

Mindlog wrote...

The Yahg were originally Volus.

So in 50K years the Volus will look like the Hulk

[Lord Rosario]

Vandicus wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

1.5 times gravity and 60 times the atmospheric pressure. Human out in space is going from 1 atmosphere to 0. Volus in regular atmosphere is going from 60 to 1.. huge explosive difference.

Now, they also have a suit that makes sure they do not explode. It would have many redunancies to keep the Volus from exploding. Unless the whole suit's power system fails, they won't pop even if shot.

THAT said, I want to know how a creature that can withstand pressures that would crush a tank like a ball of tin foil would be harmed by normal bullets. :innocent:

Volus don't fit physics.. They are unrealistic and tying to rationalize them as to why they could or could not be soldiers is stupid.. Take them or leave them when they come out people. They can fit if you suspend as much belief as one has to for them to even fit into single player.

Humans can survive just fine at roughly a quarter of an atmosphere. I would hypotehsize that whatever magical resilience Volus skin has works for both internal and external pressure, so a Volus moving from 60 atms to 59 atms would not be the same as a human moving from 1 atm to 0 atms. I would expect them to be able to survive 15 atms, and the description of Patavig suggests that 22.6 atms is liveable for a volus. 

Though expecting any race to fit physics doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. This isn't exactly a hard science sci-fi universe.

Point is Volus going from 60 atms to 1 without protection will end badly for that Volus. A human out in space can actually survive by emptying their lungs so the air doesn't expand in them. Instead of popping, they'll suffocate though, which will buy them some time.

But yes, Mass Effect is more of  a fantasy than a sci-fi game. This is why I think it's silly to argue that they can't fight. It's fantasy, suspend disbelief enough to enjoy the universe created.

[stysiaq]

OP:
get over it.

Deal with it.

Grow up.

Anything, please.

It's a goddamn video game, and you treat the whole Volus? in My Multiplayer? mumbo-jumbo as if someone was breaking the law here.

[xcaliz0rz]

The threat of galactic extinction might have something to do with it.

[LiarasShield]

stysiaq wrote...

OP:
get over it.

Deal with it.

Grow up.

Anything, please.

It's a goddamn video game, and you treat the whole Volus? in My Multiplayer? mumbo-jumbo as if someone was breaking the law here.

Breaking the lore not the law tad bit different and alot of people would be willing to argue against you that it is more then just a video game otherwise why  would we play it for hundreds of hours or for the last 5 years?

Modifié par LiarasShield, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:39 .

[Lord Rosario]

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

APEX KING19 wrote...

Who cares. Get a life stop whinging about volus

Won't do when they're a non combative race

Do us a favor and go corner an animal that isn't a predator. See how non-combatitive a cornered squirrel is when cornered by the dominant species of this planet. 

That doesn't change the fact that the volus have always had others fight for them lol

What do you do when your forces are already busy and stretched thin? The Turians are a part of their own war, the same war, and they don't have enough forces. Hell, Collectors are showing back up, stretching those thin numbers til there IS no more to send out, no more to have fight for you. So, what do you do? You do it yourself.

Not if your the volus you die because you don't do combat things yourself you allow others to and your body is no where near capable of fighting enemies so you'd  most likely flee then fight and would die in the process

Hand to hand fight between a Volus and a Krogan? Perhaps. But, they aren't fighting with their body, they would be fighting with tech and biotics which take NO physical strength. Whoever has the better gun, shields, and other tech/biotics is going to win that fight.

A geth trooper with no shields and nothing but a GPR is going to get their butt kicked by a Volus with some shields and a decent gun any day of the week.

[LiarasShield]

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

APEX KING19 wrote...

Who cares. Get a life stop whinging about volus

Won't do when they're a non combative race

Do us a favor and go corner an animal that isn't a predator. See how non-combatitive a cornered squirrel is when cornered by the dominant species of this planet. 

That doesn't change the fact that the volus have always had others fight for them lol

What do you do when your forces are already busy and stretched thin? The Turians are a part of their own war, the same war, and they don't have enough forces. Hell, Collectors are showing back up, stretching those thin numbers til there IS no more to send out, no more to have fight for you. So, what do you do? You do it yourself.

Not if your the volus you die because you don't do combat things yourself you allow others to and your body is no where near capable of fighting enemies so you'd  most likely flee then fight and would die in the process

Hand to hand fight between a Volus and a Krogan? Perhaps. But, they aren't fighting with their body, they would be fighting with tech and biotics which take NO physical strength. Whoever has the better gun, shields, and other tech/biotics is going to win that fight.

A geth trooper with no shields and nothing but a GPR is going to get their butt kicked by a Volus with some shields and a decent gun any day of the week.

Yet the volus have no stamina probably no shields or health in the first place probably the very same reason why they have others fight for them in the first place so a volus might not be beating anything

[Sajuro]

Why are Quarians fighting then? By the end of round three every quarian logically should be swimming in Antibiotics, why do people impaled by banshees get back up, if you wipe out on a mission, why can you use that exact same character in the next match?

[Lord Rosario]

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

APEX KING19 wrote...

Who cares. Get a life stop whinging about volus

Won't do when they're a non combative race

Do us a favor and go corner an animal that isn't a predator. See how non-combatitive a cornered squirrel is when cornered by the dominant species of this planet. 

That doesn't change the fact that the volus have always had others fight for them lol

What do you do when your forces are already busy and stretched thin? The Turians are a part of their own war, the same war, and they don't have enough forces. Hell, Collectors are showing back up, stretching those thin numbers til there IS no more to send out, no more to have fight for you. So, what do you do? You do it yourself.

Not if your the volus you die because you don't do combat things yourself you allow others to and your body is no where near capable of fighting enemies so you'd  most likely flee then fight and would die in the process

Hand to hand fight between a Volus and a Krogan? Perhaps. But, they aren't fighting with their body, they would be fighting with tech and biotics which take NO physical strength. Whoever has the better gun, shields, and other tech/biotics is going to win that fight.

A geth trooper with no shields and nothing but a GPR is going to get their butt kicked by a Volus with some shields and a decent gun any day of the week.

Yet the volus have no stamina probably no shields or health in the first place probably the very same reason why they have others fight for them in the first place so a volus might not be beating anything

Where did you get the idea that shields had to do with stamina..? Shields are  form of tech and Volus definately have plenty of that. Health? That's up for debate.. They are either quite squishy [100 hp? xD] or their suit holds and or physics don't apply to them and they are denser than most metals. Lets not get into that though.

They would be slow, small, and have weak melee, but everything else will have to make up for that.

[stysiaq]

LiarasShield wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

OP:
get over it.

Deal with it.

Grow up.

Anything, please.

It's a goddamn video game, and you treat the whole Volus? in My Multiplayer? mumbo-jumbo as if someone was breaking the law here.

Breaking the lore not the law tad bit different and alot of people would be willing to argue against you that it is more then just a video game otherwise why  would we play it for hundreds of hours or for the last 5 years?

I tell you what this is. A very decent entertainment. Probably better than the others. But it is still entertainment, something that you do in your off hours, and discuss with friends.

Let's state the obvious. It's the developers call, what they include and what they don't include in their lore. It's their call if they want to respect the single-player codex in the muliplayer horde mode which NEVER MADE SENSE FROM THE STARTING POINT, or not. Maybe ME3 MP is a training ground for the next game? Maybe they are willing to change the "lore" and make the Volus less incapable of combat? Maybe Volus ground troops will be just a lore extension, like the Ardat-Yakshi were? (I don't know if you had any problems with these, or if you ranted when you learned about Morinth, because it was breaking the Lore).

I'll tell you this: the Volus, like any other species, waged war before space-flight era. They probably had ground troops, but due to their nature, not many. But a number of them still exist. Probably they will use some kind of battle suits. There will be a backstory added, just as Phoenix Project was somewhat justified. I don't say you aren't allowed to evaluate this backstory, quite the contrary. But evaluating it now, before official notes and lore extensions on Volus military, is STUPID.

Modifié par stysiaq, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:53 .

[Rudest]

The bottom line is;

This is fiction and good writing can lead to anything being possible. In science fiction technology takes the place of magic in traditional fantasy fiction to make the impossible possible. Seeing as we have a setting with biotic power, biotic fields, omni-tools capable of field fabrication, medi-gel, mechanized combat suits, a submersible mech in the Leviathan DLC...

There is more than ample room to write yourself around all of the plot holes pertaining to Volus in combat.

Modifié par Rudest, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:55 .

[LiarasShield]

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

APEX KING19 wrote...

Who cares. Get a life stop whinging about volus

Won't do when they're a non combative race

Do us a favor and go corner an animal that isn't a predator. See how non-combatitive a cornered squirrel is when cornered by the dominant species of this planet. 

That doesn't change the fact that the volus have always had others fight for them lol

What do you do when your forces are already busy and stretched thin? The Turians are a part of their own war, the same war, and they don't have enough forces. Hell, Collectors are showing back up, stretching those thin numbers til there IS no more to send out, no more to have fight for you. So, what do you do? You do it yourself.

Not if your the volus you die because you don't do combat things yourself you allow others to and your body is no where near capable of fighting enemies so you'd  most likely flee then fight and would die in the process

Hand to hand fight between a Volus and a Krogan? Perhaps. But, they aren't fighting with their body, they would be fighting with tech and biotics which take NO physical strength. Whoever has the better gun, shields, and other tech/biotics is going to win that fight.

A geth trooper with no shields and nothing but a GPR is going to get their butt kicked by a Volus with some shields and a decent gun any day of the week.

Yet the volus have no stamina probably no shields or health in the first place probably the very same reason why they have others fight for them in the first place so a volus might not be beating anything

Where did you get the idea that shields had to do with stamina..? Shields are  form of tech and Volus definately have plenty of that. Health? That's up for debate.. They are either quite squishy [100 hp? xD] or their suit holds and or physics don't apply to them and they are denser than most metals. Lets not get into that though.

They would be slow, small, and have weak melee, but everything else will have to make up for that.

The volus are weak they probably don't have that much health and wouldn't be the worth of probably getting in the first place but you think all of bsn should suffer a rare card that they don't want just so they can have a harder or longer time to get the stuff that they do want?