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[cogsandcurls]

FINE HERE wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I don't support sexism. There are jerks and people like that in the real world, so why couldn't they exist in a fantasy setting? Just because the game has a jerk spouting sexism nonsense doesn't mean its supporting it. I just want it to feel more like there's a difference and the game acknowledges my choice. There will always be people who just can't stop themselves from being sexist or racist. (It's okay to have characters who look down on elves as a race, but not for characters to demean women or men?)

The thing is, elves don't exist in real life and aren't playing the game. So when the "knife-ears" comments come up, you don't get some poor elf who's trying to play a fun game in their downtime going "Oh come on, REALLY? I have to deal with enough of this in my day-to-day life as it is, thanks." I actually like the way DA2 dealt with this - there ARE differences between the male and female playthroughs, but they're generally pretty subtle.

I've played through DA:O twice as a lady, and the first time I was a dwarf so all the "[character says something -ist here]" scripted moments (apart from with Sten) defaulted to slightly racist dwarf comments. That was fine; that's not something I'm already sick of thanks to real life because dwarfs (as in the fantasy race) don't exist in real life, AND I got an excuse to RP my character's reaction to something she'd feel strongly about. The second time I've been playing a human lady and I'll tell you what, the change in Daveth and Jory's reactions was not something I enjoyed playing through particularly. I don't mind a little (like I said, Sten took both my girls to task about their gender and while that made me annoyed, it made me annoyed in an in-game kind of way instead of being something that jarred me out of the game). But I like the idea of gender not being a huge deal, I really do.

[EricHVela]

I don't think the payoff is worth the effort to do it.

I think the lack of gender-specific sleaze-balls (of either gender) does detract from certain settings where they would likely appear, but having them in the game doesn't add enough to the story or setting for the effort of creating extra dialog, recording it, choreographing, keyframing, conditional code, etc.

[Eternal Phoenix]

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Definitely but it's not going to happen because Bioware is too scared to offend.
"I don't want my female character being treated differently or even referred to as a woman. Women are men too."
Not on my world. Having a character reference the PC's gender isn't sexism of any kind.

"Dragon Age 2 referenced the PC's gender though!"

Not as much as Origins which is why not many people remember. The City Elf origin in Origins was a prime example of just one part in Origins where gender is referenced and even impacts the game. Add more stuff like that if races aren't returning otherwise there's really no difference between genders other than aesthetic differences.

"Which is good because women are the same gender as men and both should be viewed as the same."

Not really. If I want an RPG where your choice of gender doesn't matter then I'd play the countless RPG's on the market with this "feature." In a game boasting that customization choice matters I'd expect to see some reference at least.

Mass Effect 2 boasted that the gameplay experience is different as each gender but it's not. Your gender only influenced who you could romance and now that's gone from Bioware games because everyone is PC-sexual or bisexual (take your pick).

The Qunari don't view women as warriors. Having The Arishocker make a note of this to a female Hawke would have added to the narrative and supported the lore. Origins had this with Sten and I'm putting it down to rushed development time with DA2 for the reason it was excluded. So even if only Qunari recognize gender, I'll be happy.

/rubs temples

The Arishok did initially refuse combat with Hawke if Isabela didn't return with the tome and if Hawke was female. If Fenris was in your party, he spoke their jibberish and eventually the Arishok was convinced to fight.

Yet he never initially mentioned it when a female Hawke was working for him and killing things and people. But again; I think I'll put that down to rushed development.

XCelfa wrote...

Mmm, yesss... dudebro tears sustain me. Complain more about women being treated like people.. unnghhh I won't have to eat dinner at this rate.

????

No one is referring to sexism so just drop that act. We don't all live in the wonderful magical world of BSN. Gender is still referenced in real life and is certainly referenced and noted in Dragon Age lore so it should be noted when playing the game too.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:59 .

[Zkyire]

cogsandcurls wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I don't support sexism. There are jerks and people like that in the real world, so why couldn't they exist in a fantasy setting? Just because the game has a jerk spouting sexism nonsense doesn't mean its supporting it. I just want it to feel more like there's a difference and the game acknowledges my choice. There will always be people who just can't stop themselves from being sexist or racist. (It's okay to have characters who look down on elves as a race, but not for characters to demean women or men?)

The thing is, elves don't exist in real life and aren't playing the game. So when the "knife-ears" comments come up, you don't get some poor elf who's trying to play a fun game in their downtime going "Oh come on, REALLY? I have to deal with enough of this in my day-to-day life as it is, thanks." I actually like the way DA2 dealt with this - there ARE differences between the male and female playthroughs, but they're generally pretty subtle.

I've played through DA:O twice as a lady, and the first time I was a dwarf so all the "[character says something -ist here]" scripted moments (apart from with Sten) defaulted to slightly racist dwarf comments. That was fine; that's not something I'm already sick of thanks to real life because dwarfs (as in the fantasy race) don't exist in real life, AND I got an excuse to RP my character's reaction to something she'd feel strongly about. The second time I've been playing a human lady and I'll tell you what, the change in Daveth and Jory's reactions was not something I enjoyed playing through particularly. I don't mind a little (like I said, Sten took both my girls to task about their gender and while that made me annoyed, it made me annoyed in an in-game kind of way instead of being something that jarred me out of the game). But I like the idea of gender not being a huge deal, I really do.

By that logic people who were adopted wouldn't play Portal.

[XCelfa]

Elton John is dead wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Definitely but it's not going to happen because Bioware is too scared to offend.
"I don't want my female character being treated differently or even referred to as a woman. Women are men too."
Not on my world. Having a character reference the PC's gender isn't sexism of any kind.

"Dragon Age 2 referenced the PC's gender though!"

Not as much as Origins which is why not many people remember. The City Elf origin in Origins was a prime example of just one part in Origins where gender is referenced and even impacts the game. Add more stuff like that if races aren't returning otherwise there's really no difference between genders other than aesthetic differences.

"Which is good because women are the same gender as men and both should be viewed as the same."

Not really. If I want an RPG where your choice of gender doesn't matter then I'd play the countless RPG's on the market with this "feature." In a game boasting that customization choice matters I'd expect to see some reference at least.

Mass Effect 2 boasted that the gameplay experience is different as each gender but it's not. Your gender only influenced who you could romance and now that's gone from Bioware games because everyone is PC-sexual or bisexual (take your pick).

The Qunari don't view women as warriors. Having The Arishocker make a note of this to a female Hawke would have added to the narrative and supported the lore. Origins had this with Sten and I'm putting it down to rushed development time with DA2 for the reason it was excluded. So even if only Qunari recognize gender, I'll be happy.

/rubs temples

The Arishok did initially refuse combat with Hawke if Isabela didn't return with the tome and if Hawke was female. If Fenris was in your party, he spoke their jibberish and eventually the Arishok was convinced to fight.

Yet he never initially mentioned it when a female Hawke was working for him and killing things and people. But again; I think I'll put that down to rushed development.

I think if he wasn't even concerned enough about Hawke to learn his/her name until Act II, gender mattered little to him. In his eyes, Hawke was just a puny human anyway. I'm glad that he took more issue with her humanity than with her sex. Because if he took greater issue with her sex, well... that would just make a female protagonist seem... subhuman, now wouldn't it?

[Zkyire]

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
But in the magical world of BSN, acknowledgement of gender doesn't even exist so why should it in DA3?

Mmm, yesss... dudebro tears sustain me. Complain more about women being treated like people.. unnghhh I won't have to eat dinner at this rate.

Missed the point or trolling?

[Quicksilver26]

Zkyire wrote...

Quicksilver26 wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

I agree completely. I hate games that give you the illusion that your character choice matter, especially with gender.
I posted somewhere before about a RPG I played where my female PC had 'seductive' hair, eyes, and voice. Then I went to talk to a quest giver who was known as a playboy by all the NPCs and he said absolutely nothing flirty or demeaning to my PC. He didn't even acknowledge that the PC was female. It took me out of the game completely.

huh  i think the lack of sexiesm is a good thing <_<

A man flirting with a woman is not sexism.

Jesus.

ok maybe i jump to sexism a bit too fast but the female pc is going to be as much a badass as the male why should i have some random guy hit on me cause I play woman if the male pc isn't going to be made in to a sexual  thing then the female shouldn't either i for one don't want sleazy random dudes or any sleazy people coming on to my female because someone in real life thinks that every girl in any game or any world should be hit on because they are a female 

[XCelfa]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Quicksilver26 wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

I agree completely. I hate games that give you the illusion that your character choice matter, especially with gender.
I posted somewhere before about a RPG I played where my female PC had 'seductive' hair, eyes, and voice. Then I went to talk to a quest giver who was known as a playboy by all the NPCs and he said absolutely nothing flirty or demeaning to my PC. He didn't even acknowledge that the PC was female. It took me out of the game completely.

huh  i think the lack of sexiesm is a good thing <_<

A man flirting with a woman is not sexism.

Jesus.

ok maybe i jump to sexism a bit too fast but the female pc is going to be as much a badass as the male why should i have some random guy hit on me cause I play woman if the male pc isn't going to be made in to a sexual  thing then the female shouldn't either i for one don't want sleazy random dudes or any sleazy people coming on to my female because someone in real life thinks that every girl in any game or any world should be hit on because they are a female 

^ this. All this. If I'm getting hit on when I take the subway, or in line at the grocery store, or heaven forbid in my driveway- what makes you think I wanna come home and roll a female character just so some npc can harrass my protagonist?

But I think what we're running into here is a good ol' case of "who is this game made for"? should they forego the opinions of women playing women characters or males playing female characters? I'm just sayin. Maybe the gender option is there for us, not you? What if I don't want to be treated any differently playing a video game than a dude would be? That's kind of my prerogative, isn't it?

Modifié par XCelfa, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:04 .

[cogsandcurls]

Zkyire wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I don't support sexism. There are jerks and people like that in the real world, so why couldn't they exist in a fantasy setting? Just because the game has a jerk spouting sexism nonsense doesn't mean its supporting it. I just want it to feel more like there's a difference and the game acknowledges my choice. There will always be people who just can't stop themselves from being sexist or racist. (It's okay to have characters who look down on elves as a race, but not for characters to demean women or men?)

The thing is, elves don't exist in real life and aren't playing the game. So when the "knife-ears" comments come up, you don't get some poor elf who's trying to play a fun game in their downtime going "Oh come on, REALLY? I have to deal with enough of this in my day-to-day life as it is, thanks." I actually like the way DA2 dealt with this - there ARE differences between the male and female playthroughs, but they're generally pretty subtle.

I've played through DA:O twice as a lady, and the first time I was a dwarf so all the "[character says something -ist here]" scripted moments (apart from with Sten) defaulted to slightly racist dwarf comments. That was fine; that's not something I'm already sick of thanks to real life because dwarfs (as in the fantasy race) don't exist in real life, AND I got an excuse to RP my character's reaction to something she'd feel strongly about. The second time I've been playing a human lady and I'll tell you what, the change in Daveth and Jory's reactions was not something I enjoyed playing through particularly. I don't mind a little (like I said, Sten took both my girls to task about their gender and while that made me annoyed, it made me annoyed in an in-game kind of way instead of being something that jarred me out of the game). But I like the idea of gender not being a huge deal, I really do.

By that logic people who were adopted wouldn't play Portal.

Actually, if you're going to translate what I actually said into Portal terms it would more be like "people who are adopted who play Portal might find that while otherwise enjoy many aspects of the game, some of the dialogue may well make them eyeroll and/or momentarily jar them out of the game because they've heard enough of this kind of thing already".

And while I can't speak for the adopted comments, I know full well that there are people who felt exactly that way about the weight-related comments in that game, so there you go.

Modifié par cogsandcurls, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:04 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Definitely but it's not going to happen because Bioware is too scared to offend.
"I don't want my female character being treated differently or even referred to as a woman. Women are men too."
Not on my world. Having a character reference the PC's gender isn't sexism of any kind.

"Dragon Age 2 referenced the PC's gender though!"

Not as much as Origins which is why not many people remember. The City Elf origin in Origins was a prime example of just one part in Origins where gender is referenced and even impacts the game. Add more stuff like that if races aren't returning otherwise there's really no difference between genders other than aesthetic differences.

"Which is good because women are the same gender as men and both should be viewed as the same."

Not really. If I want an RPG where your choice of gender doesn't matter then I'd play the countless RPG's on the market with this "feature." In a game boasting that customization choice matters I'd expect to see some reference at least.

Mass Effect 2 boasted that the gameplay experience is different as each gender but it's not. Your gender only influenced who you could romance and now that's gone from Bioware games because everyone is PC-sexual or bisexual (take your pick).

The Qunari don't view women as warriors. Having The Arishocker make a note of this to a female Hawke would have added to the narrative and supported the lore. Origins had this with Sten and I'm putting it down to rushed development time with DA2 for the reason it was excluded. So even if only Qunari recognize gender, I'll be happy.

/rubs temples

The Arishok did initially refuse combat with Hawke if Isabela didn't return with the tome and if Hawke was female. If Fenris was in your party, he spoke their jibberish and eventually the Arishok was convinced to fight.

Yet he never initially mentioned it when a female Hawke was working for him and killing things and people. But again; I think I'll put that down to rushed development.

I think if he wasn't even concerned enough about Hawke to learn his/her name until Act II, gender mattered little to him. In his eyes, Hawke was just a puny human anyway. I'm glad that he took more issue with her humanity than with her sex. Because if he took greater issue with her sex, well... that would just make a female protagonist seem... subhuman, now wouldn't it?

Nope. Qunari culture says women shouldn't have the same positions as men and vice versa. Sten couldn't get his head around a female Warden being, well, female and I swear I remember him doubting if she was female in the first place which was quite funny actually rather than offensive and sexist.

Now if choice of gender influences certain dialogue and might lead to a male character opening up more to another male character - rather than to a female character first - because they feel they can bond more like "brothers" then how is that sexist?

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:06 .

[hexaligned]

Zkyire wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Henioo wrote...

What's more important, if the Origins return, I'd like to be able to look the part, and speak the part.

In DA:O there's barely any difference between genders, and little more for species. Like, my Dalish elf and human noble have exactly the same conversation option regarding topics like politics, religion, and so on.

So many times I wanted to say something fitting my character, but couldn't.

I am just dying to know: Are you female? Somehow I highly doubt it. I find that my gender has little influence on how I behave or speak in my daily life.

Your gender has little influence on how you behave or speak.. yet you conclude that the poster you quoted isn't female based on what he/she said.

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that too.  

I wouldn't necessarily mind this, as long as it is resource light.  Meaning not voice acting a large number of NPC dialogue with two variations for gender.  Unless it's all just going to be corny pick up lines, if there is actuay something substantive to be said about gender roles in Thedes to emphasize something specific about the setting, then sure.

Modifié par relhart, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:20 .

[Henioo]

XCelfa wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Henioo wrote...

What's more important, if the Origins return, I'd like to be able to look the part, and speak the part.

In DA:O there's barely any difference between genders, and little more for species. Like, my Dalish elf and human noble have exactly the same conversation option regarding topics like politics, religion, and so on.

So many times I wanted to say something fitting my character, but couldn't.

I am just dying to know: Are you female? Somehow I highly doubt it. I find that my gender has little influence on how I behave or speak in my daily life.

Your gender has little influence on how you behave or speak.. yet you conclude that the poster you quoted isn't female based on what he/she said.

Only because s/he assumed that gender was like a ground-breaking decision maker for the way you act or talk. Women aren't mystical unicorns, we're flesh and blood human beings like everyone else. If I ask someone for a cookie, I won't rub my boobs on them to get it. KWIM?

Nice try, though.

Don't put words in my mouth, please.

I am male, by the way.

What I meant by my statement was that if there was a SMALL difference between male and female PC, it would positively affect the replyability value.

I say, the game should be more like real life, meaning men and women are treated differently. But by no means I mean that one gender should be considered superior. Just a little akcnowledgement here and there would be a nice touch, I think.

Let's focus on the game, people, and not turn this discussion into some petty war of the sexes.

Modifié par Henioo, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:06 .

[Zkyire]

cogsandcurls wrote...

And while I can't speak for the adopted comments, I know full well that there are people who felt exactly that way about the weight-related comments in that game, so there you go.

Well that's their problem for taking things so personally.

I have absolutely zero sympathy for people who get offended by things that fictional characters say.

[XCelfa]

Elton John is dead wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Definitely but it's not going to happen because Bioware is too scared to offend.
"I don't want my female character being treated differently or even referred to as a woman. Women are men too."
Not on my world. Having a character reference the PC's gender isn't sexism of any kind.

"Dragon Age 2 referenced the PC's gender though!"

Not as much as Origins which is why not many people remember. The City Elf origin in Origins was a prime example of just one part in Origins where gender is referenced and even impacts the game. Add more stuff like that if races aren't returning otherwise there's really no difference between genders other than aesthetic differences.

"Which is good because women are the same gender as men and both should be viewed as the same."

Not really. If I want an RPG where your choice of gender doesn't matter then I'd play the countless RPG's on the market with this "feature." In a game boasting that customization choice matters I'd expect to see some reference at least.

Mass Effect 2 boasted that the gameplay experience is different as each gender but it's not. Your gender only influenced who you could romance and now that's gone from Bioware games because everyone is PC-sexual or bisexual (take your pick).

The Qunari don't view women as warriors. Having The Arishocker make a note of this to a female Hawke would have added to the narrative and supported the lore. Origins had this with Sten and I'm putting it down to rushed development time with DA2 for the reason it was excluded. So even if only Qunari recognize gender, I'll be happy.

/rubs temples

The Arishok did initially refuse combat with Hawke if Isabela didn't return with the tome and if Hawke was female. If Fenris was in your party, he spoke their jibberish and eventually the Arishok was convinced to fight.

Yet he never initially mentioned it when a female Hawke was working for him and killing things and people. But again; I think I'll put that down to rushed development.

I think if he wasn't even concerned enough about Hawke to learn his/her name until Act II, gender mattered little to him. In his eyes, Hawke was just a puny human anyway. I'm glad that he took more issue with her humanity than with her sex. Because if he took greater issue with her sex, well... that would just make a female protagonist seem... subhuman, now wouldn't it?

Nope. Qunari culture says women shouldn't have the same positions as men and vice versa. Sten couldn't get his head around a female Warden being, well, female and I swear I remember him doubting if she was female in the first place which was quite funny actually rather than offensive and sexist.

Actually I got rather taken aback that he said something like that. Tell me... when is your masculinity in question when you play video games? I bet it never is. I'd pop off at anyone that dare say I'm any less feminine because of my line of work [which ironically not a typically feminine line of work, might I add].

Don't assume from your male perspective that things shouldn't be offensive from a female perspective. If you haven't lived it, you don't have much context to go off of.

[Solmanian]

Actually all the love scenes in DA2 were the same (last time I looked). Gay or straight you still got the identical scene. Not to talk about the disproportinate number of bisexual companion (maybe the people of thedas are more loose with their sexual orientation?). It was reasonable with zevran, because he played a horny-latin-elf-assassin who has the hots for anything with two legs, regardless of age, race or gender. Not trying to dis the same-sex fans, but it's suppose to be a medieval society...

[XCelfa]

Solmanian wrote...

Actually all the love scenes in DA2 were the same (last time I looked). Gay or straight you still got the identical scene. Not to talk about the disproportinate number of bisexual companion (maybe the people of thedas are more loose with their sexual orientation?). It was reasonable with zevran, because he played a horny-latin-elf-assassin who has the hots for anything with two legs, regardless of age, race or gender. Not trying to dis the same-sex fans, but it's suppose to be a medieval society...

Woah, there. If you think homosexuality or bisexuality didn't exist, maybe you should re-check your history. In fact, google William Shakespeare.

Not to mention that this is Thedas, not England or what-have-you; it's not the same universe.

[Zkyire]

XCelfa wrote...

Actually I got rather taken aback that he said something like that. Tell me... when is your masculinity in question when you play video games? I bet it never is. I'd pop off at anyone that dare say I'm any less feminine because of my line of work [which ironically not a typically feminine line of work, might I add].

Don't assume from your male perspective that things shouldn't be offensive from a female perspective. If you haven't lived it, you don't have much context to go off of.

Did you pay attention to Sten at all?

He's not "Lol women trying to do things."

Qunari society has male soldiers. And female administrators.

Your characters are essentially soldiers, not administrators. So Sten is talking about that.

Had the story been about your character being some kind of Governor, Sten would have made the same "Why are you trying to be a woman?" remarks if the PC was male.

You really need to get off your high horse. "I'm a woman.. it.. it is not a thing you can comprehend."

[Henioo]

Solmanian wrote...
maybe the people of thedas are more loose with their sexual orientation?

Yeah, I think it actually says so in the codex somewhere.

Also, unlike the real life, gender doesn't matter as much, which is quite cool.

Though Thedas is kind of like the medieval times of the real world, with tolerance much hugher than modern times.

Which is very nice.

[Sable Rhapsody]

XCelfa wrote...
^ this. All this. If I'm getting hit on when I take the subway, or in line at the grocery store, or heaven forbid in my driveway- what makes you think I wanna come home and roll a female character just so some npc can harrass my protagonist?

But I think what we're running into here is a good ol' case of "who is this game made for"? should they forego the opinions of women playing women characters or males playing female characters? I'm just sayin. Maybe the gender option is there for us, not you? What if I don't want to be treated any differently playing a video game than a dude would be? That's kind of my prerogative, isn't it?

I'm guessing if the genders are flipped and some sleazy female NPC hits on the male PC it's still sexism for the portrayal of the female NPC?   Or if both characters are the same gender, and the NPC hits on the PC, it's somehow homophobia?

Also, I'm a girl.  And I don't take offense at the few gender references in DA:O or DA2.  The first things you (usually) see when you look at someone are physical traits--gender, race, height, weight, build, etc.  NPCs should respond accordingly.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:19 .

[Wulfram]

Zkyire wrote...

Had the story been about your character being some kind of Governor, Sten would have made the same "Why are you trying to be a woman?" remarks if the PC was male.

He should have done that if you picked some of the boons.  Like Chancellor or Teyrn.

[Eternal Phoenix]

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Definitely but it's not going to happen because Bioware is too scared to offend.
"I don't want my female character being treated differently or even referred to as a woman. Women are men too."
Not on my world. Having a character reference the PC's gender isn't sexism of any kind.

"Dragon Age 2 referenced the PC's gender though!"

Not as much as Origins which is why not many people remember. The City Elf origin in Origins was a prime example of just one part in Origins where gender is referenced and even impacts the game. Add more stuff like that if races aren't returning otherwise there's really no difference between genders other than aesthetic differences.

"Which is good because women are the same gender as men and both should be viewed as the same."

Not really. If I want an RPG where your choice of gender doesn't matter then I'd play the countless RPG's on the market with this "feature." In a game boasting that customization choice matters I'd expect to see some reference at least.

Mass Effect 2 boasted that the gameplay experience is different as each gender but it's not. Your gender only influenced who you could romance and now that's gone from Bioware games because everyone is PC-sexual or bisexual (take your pick).

The Qunari don't view women as warriors. Having The Arishocker make a note of this to a female Hawke would have added to the narrative and supported the lore. Origins had this with Sten and I'm putting it down to rushed development time with DA2 for the reason it was excluded. So even if only Qunari recognize gender, I'll be happy.

/rubs temples

The Arishok did initially refuse combat with Hawke if Isabela didn't return with the tome and if Hawke was female. If Fenris was in your party, he spoke their jibberish and eventually the Arishok was convinced to fight.

Yet he never initially mentioned it when a female Hawke was working for him and killing things and people. But again; I think I'll put that down to rushed development.

I think if he wasn't even concerned enough about Hawke to learn his/her name until Act II, gender mattered little to him. In his eyes, Hawke was just a puny human anyway. I'm glad that he took more issue with her humanity than with her sex. Because if he took greater issue with her sex, well... that would just make a female protagonist seem... subhuman, now wouldn't it?

Nope. Qunari culture says women shouldn't have the same positions as men and vice versa. Sten couldn't get his head around a female Warden being, well, female and I swear I remember him doubting if she was female in the first place which was quite funny actually rather than offensive and sexist.

Actually I got rather taken aback that he said something like that. Tell me... when is your masculinity in question when you play video games? I bet it never is. I'd pop off at anyone that dare say I'm any less feminine because of my line of work [which ironically not a typically feminine line of work, might I add].

Don't assume from your male perspective that things shouldn't be offensive from a female perspective. If you haven't lived it, you don't have much context to go off of.

Weren't you reading my posts?

Dragon's Dogma.

There's female NPC's in that game who hate men and think they're inferior. I didn't have a problem with that. It's just a game.

Wow, Sten's comment offended you? Yet the tons of murdering, rape in The City Elf origin, killing and demonic possession of children (and potential slayings of them) didn't offend you? Again you're missing people's comments in your blind anger. Several people have even said how a male can be referenced (and how a male should be referenced too).

No one has brought up sexism so stop pretending to be persecuted.

[XCelfa]

Zkyire wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Actually I got rather taken aback that he said something like that. Tell me... when is your masculinity in question when you play video games? I bet it never is. I'd pop off at anyone that dare say I'm any less feminine because of my line of work [which ironically not a typically feminine line of work, might I add].

Don't assume from your male perspective that things shouldn't be offensive from a female perspective. If you haven't lived it, you don't have much context to go off of.

Did you pay attention to Sten at all?

He's not "Lol women trying to do things."

Qunari society has male soldiers. And female administrators.

Your characters are essentially soldiers, not administrators. So Sten is talking about that.

Had the story been about your character being some kind of Governor, Sten would have made the same "Why are you trying to be a woman?" remarks if the PC was male.

You really need to get off your high horse. "I'm a woman.. it.. it is not a thing you can comprehend."

It's not a high horse, merely a different horse. Not once have I stated that females are superior. And no, being a woman is not something you understand.

I'm taking issue with a bunch of male gamers trying to dictate and remove one of my favorite aspects of a BW game: being treated like my gender doesn't matter. Apparently that is too radical an idea for the poster that hinted he wanted to be able to be flirted with and whatnot.

[Quicksilver26]

Henioo wrote...

What's more important, if the Origins return, I'd like to be able to look the part, and speak the part.

In DA:O there's barely any difference between genders, and little more for species. Like, my Dalish elf and human noble have exactly the same conversation option regarding topics like politics, religion, and so on.

So many times I wanted to say something fitting my character, but couldn't.

ok i have to ask have you ever played as a female human noble? cause right of the bat the mother makes comments about not wanting the girl to be a fight that she should marry the sister in law insists that in antiva proper women do not fight then at redcliffe the mayor dude makes a snide remark about being female at osterger the two grey warden who die make remarks about there not being many women in the grey wonder and they look down right uncomfortable about it Alister also makes some comments about it  and Zavarin say more or less  the same thing as the sister in law but he also say who cares what is proper or some such nonsense and when you meet howe aging he say something like the little pups all grown up and still playing at being a man i see. and there maybe more that i'm missing but my point is there was plenty of difference between the genders there is no need for any more of it   

Edit: oh god Sten i can't blive i forgot about Sten and his bable duh

Modifié par Quicksilver26, 09 octobre 2012 - 06:16 .

[Fiacre]

XCelfa wrote...

Actually I got rather taken aback that he said something like that. Tell me... when is your masculinity in question when you play video games? I bet it never is. I'd pop off at anyone that dare say I'm any less feminine because of my line of work [which ironically not a typically feminine line of work, might I add].

Don't assume from your male perspective that things shouldn't be offensive from a female perspective. If you haven't lived it, you don't have much context to go off of.

You know, whnever these kinds of arguments come up, I always wonder what about transgender people? Can't they  understand either, depending on which body they were born with? Or what about someone like me, who doesn't identiify as female despite having a female body? Hmm...

In any case, I personally wouldn't mind some acknowledgement of your PC's sex, it does seem like it could make for some interesting role playing -- though, since I don't RP myself very often, I probably wouldn't use those opportunities as much as I could.

I'd also like to mention that I have no doubt that there are women that would appreciate more distinction between sexes, and I highly doubt it's a male only thing. Things are rarely quite so neatly divided, so maybe we shouldn't generalize quite so much.

Modifié par Fiacre, 08 octobre 2012 - 11:21 .

[Henioo]

It's not about flirting, or what have you.

Just like some NPC recognise you're a mage, some could acknowledge your gender. And just that. Register it, nothing more.