True but I got a good laugh writing it. That said, I can take specific quotes that say: Women getting hit on by men = makes the women less badass This is funny because from a male perspective: Man getting hit on by women = man becomes more badass.
Edit: oops deleted the wrong qoute marker
Edit: I can count on one hand all the times in all my time on social forums where men have been offended because woman hit on them, meanwhile I couldn't tell you how many times women have been offended. Differences in gender I guess.
Modifié par randomchasegurney, 09 octobre 2012 - 02:15 .
I would really hate to see them handled any differently than they have been. There is a difference between someone acknowledging that yes, you are a female or male in some small way by saying Lady or Lord or something similar and a line or action befitting a male or female of that status (just as an example), but treating them in any manner that is significantly different just sucks and is aggravating. I get treated differently in real life ALL THE DAMN TIME because I am a female, some ways are good and some ways are bad, but all ways are annoying. For once it would be nice to be treated as just a person/human. I would really like to not have to deal with that in a game, which I play to take a break from reality. So far, in all Bioware games, I think they've done a good job of how males and females are treated by NPCs and companions, and I think straying from what they have would do more harm than good.
In Mass Effect there are ways femshep is recognized differently from male. As in Mass Effect 2 on Omega, when you go to do the mission to recruit Archangel and the Batarian Blue Sun recruiter sees femshep walk in and says "Well, aren't you sweet, you're in the wrong place honey, strippers quarters are that way." And I didn't honestly mind this. It fit a Batarian merch jackass, and Shep had an chance to tell him off with a humorous interrupt and that was that. But anything bigger or getting focused on to a greater effect than that it just a mood killer and makes me faceplam. I can tolerate those kind of small lines and cues, especially if the gender being addressed gets a good response back. But I really think that should just be the extent of it.
If this thread is offending you then why are you still here? Why are you posting when you know that all of your posts due nothing but feed responses which keep the thread alive until it explodes into a flame war? Wouldn't it simply be best to report the thread as offensive (unless you don't really find it offensive and you are selfishly using this to start arguments) and find a new thread?
True but I got a good laugh writing it. That said, I can take specific quotes that say: Women getting hit on by men = makes the women less badass This is funny because from a male perspective: Man getting hit on by women = man becomes more badass.
Edit: oops deleted the wrong qoute marker
Edit: I can count on one hand all the times in all my time on social forums where men have been offended because woman hit on them, meanwhile I couldn't tell you how many times women have been offended. Differences in gender I guess.
The difference (at least in my experience) is that women have to worry about the possibility of men becoming more aggressive and even dangerous if they don't respond well to their flirting, at least in real life. Not that this is always the case, of course, but I know I feel a bit of anxiety and worry when a strange man approaches me. He *might* be perfectly polite and calm if I'm not interested (and 99.9 percent of the time, I'm not), but he *might* also freak out and curse me out for a block and a half (this isn't common, but I know I'm not the only woman this has happened to). I don't think men have the same frame of reference when it comes to strange women approaching them to flirt.
If I'm playing a video game, I want to relax, and not think about anxiety inducing, embarrassing, and sometimes scary incidents of "flirting." I'm cool with NPCs not acknowledging my character's gender if it means I don't have to feel like this is an issue.
One place where I think gender acknowledgement and "seduction/flirting" was done well was in Fallout New Vegas, where if I chose the Black Widow perk, I had extra dialogue options. I didn't *have* to choose them, but they were there, and they could lead to hilarity, in some cases.
Generally, it's nice if my character's gender, race, and background can be mentioned and incorporated into the story, but if the only way it's done for a female character is having male characters flirt in an uncomfortable manner, or being sexually harrassed with no way to tell the male character to quit it (hello, James Vega), then I can do without.
I think I'm pretty much on the fence about reference to gender in games. I think it really depends on the context. There are ways it can be really interesting. Someone may tell you that you remind them of their sister, and tell you some extra information, or even tell you nothing, depending on their relationship. That adds replay. I would want to replay it as a male to see how it changes. It's a reference to gender that doesn't really apply any sort of value to the gender itself.
On the other hand, when the only time reference is being made to the fact that a person is playing as a female as opposed to a male is when someone is propositioning them for a sexual encounter or remarking on the dubious nature of their combat abilities as a result of their gender, it's pretty offensive. It says something about females in general in that world, whether it's intentional or not.
Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.
I realize that there are always jerks, and so it may seem more realistic to pepper in the occasional lewd reference to your body in a tavern, or to your ability by some low life soldier, but the fact is that there isn't really a balance that stands out. You only hear the jerks. The ones who thought it wasn't worth mentioning didn't say anything. That's fine for real life, but not for created, written content. When the only content being written for a female specifically becomes harrassing, or condescending, then it is sexist. It just is. You can't just write some sexist commentary and then balance it out with silence. If other people in earshot had made disgusted or horrified comments in response to Cortez, Shepard's non reaction wouldn't have the same meaning. It would be an offense met with nothing.
Again, I do think there could be ways where gender can make for some really interesting replayability. I just know that for the most part, when I think of ways in the past that games have made that distinction clear, it has been in the ways I mentioned. Which is why I'm very much on the fence about it, leaning more toward no difference than more difference if I had to choose.
And I'm sorry for going on for so long. That wasn't really intentional. I don't post that often, I just got caught up.
If you want Bioware to be accused of sexism, sure. Anything that separates the sexes in any form is considered sexist among Internet femi-****s. Unless, of course, the female gender is shown to be superior in every way, then it's totes okay.
I would really hate to see them handled any differently than they have been. There is a difference between someone acknowledging that yes, you are a female or male in some small way by saying Lady or Lord or something similar and a line or action befitting a male or female of that status (just as an example), but treating them in any manner that is significantly different just sucks and is aggravating. I get treated differently in real life ALL THE DAMN TIME because I am a female, some ways are good and some ways are bad, but all ways are annoying. For once it would be nice to be treated as just a person/human. I would really like to not have to deal with that in a game, which I play to take a break from reality. So far, in all Bioware games, I think they've done a good job of how males and females are treated by NPCs and companions, and I think straying from what they have would do more harm than good.
In Mass Effect there are ways femshep is recognized differently from male. As in Mass Effect 2 on Omega, when you go to do the mission to recruit Archangel and the Batarian Blue Sun recruiter sees femshep walk in and says "Well, aren't you sweet, you're in the wrong place honey, strippers quarters are that way." And I didn't honestly mind this. It fit a Batarian merch jackass, and Shep had an chance to tell him off with a humorous interrupt and that was that. But anything bigger or getting focused on to a greater effect than that it just a mood killer and makes me faceplam. I can tolerate those kind of small lines and cues, especially if the gender being addressed gets a good response back. But I really think that should just be the extent of it.
True but I got a good laugh writing it. That said, I can take specific quotes that say: Women getting hit on by men = makes the women less badass This is funny because from a male perspective: Man getting hit on by women = man becomes more badass.
Edit: oops deleted the wrong qoute marker
Edit: I can count on one hand all the times in all my time on social forums where men have been offended because woman hit on them, meanwhile I couldn't tell you how many times women have been offended. Differences in gender I guess.
The difference (at least in my experience) is that women have to worry about the possibility of men becoming more aggressive and even dangerous if they don't respond well to their flirting, at least in real life. Not that this is always the case, of course, but I know I feel a bit of anxiety and worry when a strange man approaches me. He *might* be perfectly polite and calm if I'm not interested (and 99.9 percent of the time, I'm not), but he *might* also freak out and curse me out for a block and a half (this isn't common, but I know I'm not the only woman this has happened to). I don't think men have the same frame of reference when it comes to strange women approaching them to flirt.
If I'm playing a video game, I want to relax, and not think about anxiety inducing, embarrassing, and sometimes scary incidents of "flirting." I'm cool with NPCs not acknowledging my character's gender if it means I don't have to feel like this is an issue.
One place where I think gender acknowledgement and "seduction/flirting" was done well was in Fallout New Vegas, where if I chose the Black Widow perk, I had extra dialogue options. I didn't *have* to choose them, but they were there, and they could lead to hilarity, in some cases.
Generally, it's nice if my character's gender, race, and background can be mentioned and incorporated into the story, but if the only way it's done for a female character is having male characters flirt in an uncomfortable manner, or being sexually harrassed with no way to tell the male character to quit it (hello, James Vega), then I can do without.
True, well atleast in game your massive greatsword should keep them from getting any ideas
But I don't think there is anything wrong with the sleazy bartender hitting on you and you then being given the option to slam his face into the wall, it adds replay value and I would lol at that (the epic headbash, not the sleazy bartender comment.)
Modifié par randomchasegurney, 09 octobre 2012 - 02:45 .
IDK I think you would be just as offended if men treated you the same as other men (we men are, as a whole pretty offensive, sorry.)
I never said I was offended, I said I was annoyed. I have a husband and plenty of guy friends I spend a lot of time around. I've been farted and puked on, had beer poured on me for laughs, called B**** and C*** out of teasing, and I have zero problems with that because thats how they treat each other.
An example of the kind of crap I am talking about: I tried to take my car in to get it serviced a few months ago, and they figured since I was a female I had no idea what they were talking about when they were doing their check. They tried to charge me $200 more than a guy that was getting the same crap done around the same time on a nicer and much more expensive car (a car that probably would need parts ordered in) because they figured I would go with it and didn't know any better. But I grew up with a mother who was an ex-mechanic that worked on cars, motorcylces, and even planes. She made sure her daughters knew how to handle their cars. I knew what the hell needed to be done and approximately how much it would cost to do it, and if I had the tools/space would love to be able to do it myself but I can't while living in a city in an apartment complex, its actually not allowed. So I try to take a stand and call out their bull****, and end up getting laughed at and called cute for it. That isnt offensive, it just mind bogglying stupid and rude and really not necessary. Why is it ok to treat someone different in that way? Would you be ok with that? I told them to **** off and left. My husband goes in a week later (its one of the few places on our side of town that we have time to get to before/after work), same damn guys are there, and they indeed gave him a price not just $200 cheaper, but $300 cheaper than what they gave me! And of course they found the car suddenly in much better shape than they tried to convince me it was in.
I could really do without that kind of stuff in a video game that is fantasy and fictional and doesnt really need to be 100% realistic. I think the way its been handled in all previous games is fine. Sure there is some mild sexism from a few characters, but it fit those characters and those situations and wasn't that outrageous or made into some big deal, and again, there was usually a way for the character to respond or reply to defend themselves (ala the example I gave of femshep and the Batarian Merc). Anything more and its just stupid.
The ME2 scene I am talking about if someone hasnt seen it:
IDK I think you would be just as offended if men treated you the same as other men (we men are, as a whole pretty offensive, sorry.)
I never said I was offended, I said I was annoyed. I have a husband and plenty of guy friends I spend a lot of time around. I've been farted and puked on, had beer poured on me for laughs, called B**** and C*** out of teasing, and I have zero problems with that because thats how they treat each other.
An example of the kind of crap I am talking about: I tried to take my car in to get it serviced a few months ago, and they figured since I was a female I had no idea what they were talking about when they were doing their check. They tried to charge me $200 more than a guy that was getting the same crap done around the same time on a nicer and much more expensive car (a car that probably would need parts ordered in) because they figured I would go with it and didn't know any better. But I grew up with a mother who was an ex-mechanic that worked on cars, motorcylces, and even planes. She made sure her daughters knew how to handle their cars. I knew what the hell needed to be done and approximately how much it would cost to do it, and if I had the tools/space would love to be able to do it myself but I can't while living in a city in an apartment complex, its actually not allowed. So I try to take a stand and call out their bull****, and end up getting laughed at and called cute for it. That isnt offensive, it just mind bogglying stupid and rude and really not necessary. Why is it ok to treat someone different in that way? Would you be ok with that? I told them to **** off and left. My husband goes in a week later (its one of the few places on our side of town that we have time to get to before/after work), same damn guys are there, and they indeed gave him a price not just $200 cheaper, but $300 cheaper than what they gave me! And of course they found the car suddenly in much better shape than they tried to convince me it was in.
I could really do without that kind of stuff in a video game that is fantasy and fictional and doesnt really need to be 100% realistic. I think the way its been handled in all previous games is fine. Sure there is some mild sexism from a few characters, but it fit those characters and those situations and wasn't that outrageous or made into some big deal, and again, there was usually a way for the character to respond or reply to defend themselves (ala the example I gave of femshep and the Batarian Merc). Anything more and its just stupid.
The ME2 scene I am talking about if someone hasnt seen it:
Wow people are dicks where you live! Well I guess thats when you unleash your inner women power and kick their asses, like my sister... gave me a black eye.
Wow people are dicks where you live! Well I guess thats when you unleash your inner women power and kick their asses, like my sister... gave me a black eye.
Well I would love to if I could get off without punishment for that, I practice Krav Maga and Akido and used to volunteer teaching self defense classes so I could probably hold my own. But I think legal action would be taken and my record is spotless (mostly) right now. Actually then again, here is where more gender differentiation comes in for the real world, because as a female I would probably get a lighter sentence than a male would... I could claim temporary insanty due to PMS or something and they would probably buy it...
Wow people are dicks where you live! Well I guess thats when you unleash your inner women power and kick their asses, like my sister... gave me a black eye.
Well I would love to if I could get off without punishment for that, I practice Krav Maga and Akido and used to volunteer teaching self defense classes so I could probably hold my own. But I think legal action would be taken and my record is spotless (mostly) right now. Actually then again, here is where more gender differentiation comes in for the real world, because as a female I would probably get a lighter sentence than a male would... I could claim temporary insanty due to PMS or something and they would probably buy it...
See it's all a little give 'n take! (note: not a serious post)
True but I got a good laugh writing it. That said, I can take specific quotes that say: Women getting hit on by men = makes the women less badass This is funny because from a male perspective: Man getting hit on by women = man becomes more badass.
Edit: oops deleted the wrong qoute marker
Edit: I can count on one hand all the times in all my time on social forums where men have been offended because woman hit on them, meanwhile I couldn't tell you how many times women have been offended. Differences in gender I guess.
The difference (at least in my experience) is that women have to worry about the possibility of men becoming more aggressive and even dangerous if they don't respond well to their flirting, at least in real life. Not that this is always the case, of course, but I know I feel a bit of anxiety and worry when a strange man approaches me. He *might* be perfectly polite and calm if I'm not interested (and 99.9 percent of the time, I'm not), but he *might* also freak out and curse me out for a block and a half (this isn't common, but I know I'm not the only woman this has happened to). I don't think men have the same frame of reference when it comes to strange women approaching them to flirt.
If I'm playing a video game, I want to relax, and not think about anxiety inducing, embarrassing, and sometimes scary incidents of "flirting." I'm cool with NPCs not acknowledging my character's gender if it means I don't have to feel like this is an issue.
One place where I think gender acknowledgement and "seduction/flirting" was done well was in Fallout New Vegas, where if I chose the Black Widow perk, I had extra dialogue options. I didn't *have* to choose them, but they were there, and they could lead to hilarity, in some cases.
Generally, it's nice if my character's gender, race, and background can be mentioned and incorporated into the story, but if the only way it's done for a female character is having male characters flirt in an uncomfortable manner, or being sexually harrassed with no way to tell the male character to quit it (hello, James Vega), then I can do without.
Ahh an influx of reason into this thread. Thank you.
Ahh an influx of reason into this thread. Thank you.
I think everyone on this thread has been reasonable but you, and me but I'm just screwing with people, not actually trying to argue anything. You keep on revitalizing the thread that supposedly offends you living though, good work!
Ahh an influx of reason into this thread. Thank you.
I think everyone on this thread has been reasonable but you, and me but I'm just screwing with people, not actually trying to argue anything. You keep on revitalizing the thread that supposedly offends you living though, good work!
If that was a baiting attempt, it was laughable.
Some people are better at voicing what I'm thinking; the poster I replied to did just that. They [much more eloquently] stated the idea I was trying to jot down here- If I'm getting hit on when I take the subway, or in line at the grocery store, or heaven forbid in my driveway- what makes you think I wanna come home and roll a female character just so some npc can harrass my protagonist?
I re-read my posts and don't see anywhere I was not being reasonable. perhaps you need a thicker skin? I am not going to pander to you to get you to agree with me
Ahh an influx of reason into this thread. Thank you.
I think everyone on this thread has been reasonable but you, and me but I'm just screwing with people, not actually trying to argue anything. You keep on revitalizing the thread that supposedly offends you living though, good work!
If that was a baiting attempt, it was laughable.
Some people are better at voicing what I'm thinking; the poster I replied to did just that. I re-read my posts and don't see anywhere I was not being reasonable. perhaps you need a thicker skin? I am not going to pander to you to get you to agree with me
No, not trying to bait anyone, just stating the facts; paranoid?
I'm a woman and I like my female characters to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned. As part of that, I also like the opportunity to prove the person wrong/insult/intimidate them, etc...It just adds more to the story. I also like playing the underdog (in my very first playthrough of DA:O I was an elf mage because both elves and mages were discriminated against and downtrodden) and proving myself though my skills and in a game that strongly resembles medieval Europe, you'd expect women to suffer at least some discrimination.
Maybe I feel this way because in real life I am very confident. Unlike some other women, I am not afraid of men in any way shape or form. I feel like even if I was physically attacked I could hold my own. Also most people in my life including strangers I meet are decent and not weird, sleazy, sexist, or demeaning and if they are, just ignore them and move on with your life, who cares? Stop being such a victim. People don't say things like "whaat? A woman can't be a doctor, that's just crazy talk!" anymore and I even make sexist-against women jokes sometimes "oh no I left the kitchen where I belong!" or whatever because the concept is hilariously ridiculous
I would also like to see more gender specific pronouns/titles! I want to be called ma'am, my lady, miss, etc...instead of "serrah" like men are called.
I think I'm pretty much on the fence about reference to gender in games. I think it really depends on the context. There are ways it can be really interesting. Someone may tell you that you remind them of their sister, and tell you some extra information, or even tell you nothing, depending on their relationship. That adds replay. I would want to replay it as a male to see how it changes. It's a reference to gender that doesn't really apply any sort of value to the gender itself.
On the other hand, when the only time reference is being made to the fact that a person is playing as a female as opposed to a male is when someone is propositioning them for a sexual encounter or remarking on the dubious nature of their combat abilities as a result of their gender, it's pretty offensive. It says something about females in general in that world, whether it's intentional or not.
Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.
I realize that there are always jerks, and so it may seem more realistic to pepper in the occasional lewd reference to your body in a tavern, or to your ability by some low life soldier, but the fact is that there isn't really a balance that stands out. You only hear the jerks. The ones who thought it wasn't worth mentioning didn't say anything. That's fine for real life, but not for created, written content. When the only content being written for a female specifically becomes harrassing, or condescending, then it is sexist. It just is. You can't just write some sexist commentary and then balance it out with silence. If other people in earshot had made disgusted or horrified comments in response to Cortez, Shepard's non reaction wouldn't have the same meaning. It would be an offense met with nothing.
Again, I do think there could be ways where gender can make for some really interesting replayability. I just know that for the most part, when I think of ways in the past that games have made that distinction clear, it has been in the ways I mentioned. Which is why I'm very much on the fence about it, leaning more toward no difference than more difference if I had to choose.
And I'm sorry for going on for so long. That wasn't really intentional. I don't post that often, I just got caught up.
*disappears*
Well, someone like Cortez can't reference his husband if he's "hero-sexual" and I applaud the ME guys for incorporating Cortez's backstory in there and while it made me (Allan, the player) go "oh hey!" (because I have limited experience with a gay man being that open) I loved that Shepard didn't even blink an eye. It meant that that type of relationship was so common it wasn't even noteworthy, which is a strong message to convey.
Exactly.. exactly. And it can be applied to so many different things. The last thing I want is to roll that backwards. I definitely don't want to see a female protagonist made into a novelty and possibly coddled/sexualized/underestimated for the simple fact that she is not male. Maybe my passion about this topic is being mistaken for aggressiveness, but given the scope... perhaps it is warranted?
IDK I think you would be just as offended if men treated you the same as other men (we men are, as a whole pretty offensive, sorry.)
I never said I was offended, I said I was annoyed. I have a husband and plenty of guy friends I spend a lot of time around. I've been farted and puked on, had beer poured on me for laughs, called B**** and C*** out of teasing, and I have zero problems with that because thats how they treat each other.
An example of the kind of crap I am talking about: I tried to take my car in to get it serviced a few months ago, and they figured since I was a female I had no idea what they were talking about when they were doing their check. They tried to charge me $200 more than a guy that was getting the same crap done around the same time on a nicer and much more expensive car (a car that probably would need parts ordered in) because they figured I would go with it and didn't know any better. But I grew up with a mother who was an ex-mechanic that worked on cars, motorcylces, and even planes. She made sure her daughters knew how to handle their cars. I knew what the hell needed to be done and approximately how much it would cost to do it, and if I had the tools/space would love to be able to do it myself but I can't while living in a city in an apartment complex, its actually not allowed. So I try to take a stand and call out their bull****, and end up getting laughed at and called cute for it. That isnt offensive, it just mind bogglying stupid and rude and really not necessary. Why is it ok to treat someone different in that way? Would you be ok with that? I told them to **** off and left. My husband goes in a week later (its one of the few places on our side of town that we have time to get to before/after work), same damn guys are there, and they indeed gave him a price not just $200 cheaper, but $300 cheaper than what they gave me! And of course they found the car suddenly in much better shape than they tried to convince me it was in.
I could really do without that kind of stuff in a video game that is fantasy and fictional and doesnt really need to be 100% realistic. I think the way its been handled in all previous games is fine. Sure there is some mild sexism from a few characters, but it fit those characters and those situations and wasn't that outrageous or made into some big deal, and again, there was usually a way for the character to respond or reply to defend themselves (ala the example I gave of femshep and the Batarian Merc). Anything more and its just stupid.
The ME2 scene I am talking about if someone hasnt seen it:
I see a lot of people worried that fem PCs would get treated like crap by a bunch of lousy NPC jerks and bigots, but that's not what I wanted to say in my original post at all. Maybe I worded it a little wrong, but my intention isn't putting a game that makes a female player feel like crap. You're still playing a hero that can fight and kickass. Who cares what NPC23 said? He's the one who'll look like a jerk in the end.
A guy hitting on you isn't the same as a creep following you home or a guy who thinks your PC is a moron just because she's a woman. Those type of scary people do exist and I agree they're not comfortable to deal with. The reason I hated that particular instance I mention earlier was because the game's NPCs built that guy up to be a complete playboy/tool and yet he didn't bat an eye that my PC was female. It didn't suit his character and took me out of the story.
That scene with the Batarian mercenary is a good example of what I'd like to see. I wanna see people ACKNOWLEDGE my PC's gender, but not completely bash the whole gender in the ground. No 'you can't do this quest unless you're a woman' or vice versa. Just 'this guy is gonna be surprised if you save him because you're a woman' or 'this woman thinks you're going to rob her because you're a man and she's had bad experinces with men.' Or even 'this man thinks you're going to help him without reward because you're his 'bro!' or 'this woman thinks your fem PC and her have an instant sisterly bond that makes you help her for free.' Or even, 'this sister in the chantry believes all men are evil and looks down on the male PC.'
There could be a female NPC who's afraid of men and would refuse to talk to any males so you'd either need to play as a fem PC or have a fem companion(easily solved); or another NPC who thinks the male PC looks like her late husband and opens up to him more(gives an extra hint or something). Or a woman who believes she can flutter her pretty eyes at the male PC and get whatever she wants and tries to trick him into killing someone innocent for her; where as, if the pc was female, she would just tell the player the truth. Things like that. In no way am I saying 'put in a threatening male NPC to harass the fem PC!' But I'd like it to feel like people acknowledge my PC is a woman or a man.
Then there's the 'I want to behave or be treated like a man does.' argument. Well, I don't. I want to be able to sound differently and act differently. Why does my fem PC have to be a badass or a tomboy? Why can't she speak softly while fighting bravely? Why can't my fem PC be shy? Why can't my fem PC be elegant? No, she has to approach every NPC as a strong woman, or 'like a man.' The animation for fem Hawke may have looked silly for some, but at least it acknowledged a more feminine character. I'd actually prefer if we could pick our stance being more masculine or feminine(dainty or strong, if you don't like those other labels).
In DA:O, the voice I imagined for my fem warden was soft and gentle, but she could still stand up for herself in a battle. I created that character in my image, with my baby voice that often gets me id'ed or asked if 'my mommy or daddy was home' whenever I answered the phone. I didn't expect the game to acknowledge the baby voice I imagined, but I did expect some 'oh, little princess thinks she can fight?' or such from the enemies. These characters are supposed to be evil, the villians. They shouldn't act like upstanding citizens. They shouldn't be likable nor should they be completely noble. Then if you want to argue the 'gray' morality instead of a black and white morality, then why wouldn't bigots exist? In their mind, they're right in mistreating the other gender or thinking their gender is suprior.
I don't know what century or backwards environment you guys live in. I had a co-worker earlier today mention his boy friend to me in the context of whatever convo we were having at the time. I didn't bat an eye either. The only place I could see commenting on gender, would be around something combat oriented. Thats just because I was in the military though, and served and sparred with actual female warriors. Despite what your anime tells you, 9 times out of ten a woman is just going to get rolled up into a ball and broken when it comes to melee combat with a man.
I'm not saying it should be "Lawls woman thinks she can fight good" or anything though, I just think it would be cool if they remarked on how ****ing badass she must be,
I'm a woman and I like my female characters to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned. As part of that, I also like the opportunity to prove the person wrong/insult/intimidate them, etc...It just adds more to the story. I also like playing the underdog (in my very first playthrough of DA:O I was an elf mage because both elves and mages were discriminated against and downtrodden) and proving myself though my skills and in a game that strongly resembles medieval Europe, you'd expect women to suffer at least some discrimination.
Maybe I feel this way because in real life I am very confident. Unlike some other women, I am not afraid of men in any way shape or form. I feel like even if I was physically attacked I could hold my own. Also most people in my life including strangers I meet are decent and not weird, sleazy, sexist, or demeaning and if they are, just ignore them and move on with your life, who cares? Stop being such a victim. People don't say things like "whaat? A woman can't be a doctor, that's just crazy talk!" anymore and I even make sexist-against women jokes sometimes "oh no I left the kitchen where I belong!" or whatever because the concept is hilariously ridiculous
I would also like to see more gender specific pronouns/titles! I want to be called ma'am, my lady, miss, etc...instead of "serrah" like men are called.
Ahh an influx of reason into this thread. Thank you.
I'm a woman and I like my female characters to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned. As part of that, I also like the opportunity to prove the person wrong/insult/intimidate them, etc...It just adds more to the story. I also like playing the underdog (in my very first playthrough of DA:O I was an elf mage because both elves and mages were discriminated against and downtrodden) and proving myself though my skills and in a game that strongly resembles medieval Europe, you'd expect women to suffer at least some discrimination.
Maybe I feel this way because in real life I am very confident. Unlike some other women, I am not afraid of men in any way shape or form. I feel like even if I was physically attacked I could hold my own. Also most people in my life including strangers I meet are decent and not weird, sleazy, sexist, or demeaning and if they are, just ignore them and move on with your life, who cares? Stop being such a victim. People don't say things like "whaat? A woman can't be a doctor, that's just crazy talk!" anymore and I even make sexist-against women jokes sometimes "oh no I left the kitchen where I belong!" or whatever because the concept is hilariously ridiculous
I would also like to see more gender specific pronouns/titles! I want to be called ma'am, my lady, miss, etc...instead of "serrah" like men are called.
Ahh an influx of reason into this thread. Thank you.
I'm a woman and I like my female characters to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned. As part of that, I also like the opportunity to prove the person wrong/insult/intimidate them, etc...It just adds more to the story. I also like playing the underdog (in my very first playthrough of DA:O I was an elf mage because both elves and mages were discriminated against and downtrodden) and proving myself though my skills and in a game that strongly resembles medieval Europe, you'd expect women to suffer at least some discrimination.
Maybe I feel this way because in real life I am very confident. Unlike some other women, I am not afraid of men in any way shape or form. I feel like even if I was physically attacked I could hold my own. Also most people in my life including strangers I meet are decent and not weird, sleazy, sexist, or demeaning and if they are, just ignore them and move on with your life, who cares? Stop being such a victim. People don't say things like "whaat? A woman can't be a doctor, that's just crazy talk!" anymore and I even make sexist-against women jokes sometimes "oh no I left the kitchen where I belong!" or whatever because the concept is hilariously ridiculous
I would also like to see more gender specific pronouns/titles! I want to be called ma'am, my lady, miss, etc...instead of "serrah" like men are called.
Eh. On one hand, you're saying "stop being such a victim" and on the other, you're saying that you like to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned in game. That's problematic, I'm sorry. There are some of us that have lived through these things and find them incredibly cheap plot tools that actually reawaken some of those feelings of dread that we try our best to forget. And to say that you like it?
please do not assume that, because someone doesnt agree with you, that they are afraid of men [whhaaat???] or unconfident. I am fit. I have served. I still serve, in some semblence. But stating that these things could never happen to me would be ridiculous. Your generalization makes you look either a.) oblivious to the past experiences of others or b.) like you just don't care.
Wanting more gender specific pronouns is one thing; having a victimization fetish is another.
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