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[DialupToaster]

XCelfa wrote...

Nefla wrote...

I'm a woman and I like my female characters to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned. As part of that, I also like the opportunity to prove the person wrong/insult/intimidate them, etc...It just adds more to the story. I also like playing the underdog (in my very first playthrough of DA:O I was an elf mage because both elves and mages were discriminated against and downtrodden) and proving myself though my skills and in a game that strongly resembles medieval Europe, you'd expect women to suffer at least some discrimination.

Maybe I feel this way because in real life I am very confident. Unlike some other women, I am not afraid of men in any way shape or form. I feel like even if I was physically attacked I could hold my own. Also most people in my life including strangers I meet are decent and not weird, sleazy, sexist, or demeaning and if they are, just ignore them and move on with your life, who cares? Stop being such a victim. People don't say things like "whaat? A woman can't be a doctor, that's just crazy talk!" anymore and I even make sexist-against women jokes sometimes "oh no I left the kitchen where I belong!" or whatever because the concept is hilariously ridiculous

I would also like to see more gender specific pronouns/titles! I want to be called ma'am, my lady, miss, etc...instead of "serrah" like men are called.

Eh. On one hand, you're saying "stop being such a victim" and on the other, you're saying that you like to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned in game. That's problematic, I'm sorry. There are some of us that have lived through these things and find them incredibly cheap plot tools that actually reawaken some of those feelings of dread that we try our best to forget. And to say that you like it?

please do not assume that, because someone doesnt agree with you, that they are afraid of men [whhaaat???] or unconfident. That's ridiculous and is [most of the time] exactly the opposite and your generalization makes you look either a.) oblivious to the past experiences of others or b.) like you just don't care.

Wanting more gender specific pronouns is one thing; having a victimization fetish is another.

This is what I'm talking about when I say everyone is being reasonable but you, and again,why are you resurrecting this thread, do you not want to let it die? <_<

 please do not put words in other people's mouths, people find it offensive and rude, but you don't really care how OTHER people feel do you?

[XCelfa]

randomchasegurney wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Nefla wrote...

I'm a woman and I like my female characters to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned. As part of that, I also like the opportunity to prove the person wrong/insult/intimidate them, etc...It just adds more to the story. I also like playing the underdog (in my very first playthrough of DA:O I was an elf mage because both elves and mages were discriminated against and downtrodden) and proving myself though my skills and in a game that strongly resembles medieval Europe, you'd expect women to suffer at least some discrimination.

Maybe I feel this way because in real life I am very confident. Unlike some other women, I am not afraid of men in any way shape or form. I feel like even if I was physically attacked I could hold my own. Also most people in my life including strangers I meet are decent and not weird, sleazy, sexist, or demeaning and if they are, just ignore them and move on with your life, who cares? Stop being such a victim. People don't say things like "whaat? A woman can't be a doctor, that's just crazy talk!" anymore and I even make sexist-against women jokes sometimes "oh no I left the kitchen where I belong!" or whatever because the concept is hilariously ridiculous

I would also like to see more gender specific pronouns/titles! I want to be called ma'am, my lady, miss, etc...instead of "serrah" like men are called.

Eh. On one hand, you're saying "stop being such a victim" and on the other, you're saying that you like to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned in game. That's problematic, I'm sorry. There are some of us that have lived through these things and find them incredibly cheap plot tools that actually reawaken some of those feelings of dread that we try our best to forget. And to say that you like it?

please do not assume that, because someone doesnt agree with you, that they are afraid of men [whhaaat???] or unconfident. That's ridiculous and is [most of the time] exactly the opposite and your generalization makes you look either a.) oblivious to the past experiences of others or b.) like you just don't care.

Wanting more gender specific pronouns is one thing; having a victimization fetish is another.

This is what I'm talking about when I say everyone is being reasonable but you, and again,why are you resurrecting this thread, do you not want to let it die? <_<

 please do not put words in other people's mouths, people find it offensive and rude, but you don't really care how OTHER people feel do you?

I would actually appreciate it if you pointed out to me where I was doing this. I literally took snippets of what she said and responded to them one by one.

[oui_je_danse]

Captain Hex wrote...

Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.

(bolding mine)

An excellent post with one brilliant sentence that sums it all up.

Ok - some people like playing underdogs who fight back against harrasment. Ok - some people believe that the vague ye olde European setting means there has to be some forms of bigotry. But DA canon already gives you both of those experiences without recreating the sexism we already experience in the real world.

I wonder how all these male gamers demanding more sexism would feel if the writers decided Thedas was sexist against men. That in a world with powerful, iconic women and a female dominated religion, it would be men who got the boot? That male players would have their power fantasy interrupted by constant questioing of their characters presence and abilities? Some would dig the "realism" of sexism, but most would just be rageful.

[hexaligned]

oui_je_danse wrote...

Captain Hex wrote...

Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.

(bolding mine)

An excellent post with one brilliant sentence that sums it all up.

Ok - some people like playing underdogs who fight back against harrasment. Ok - some people believe that the vague ye olde European setting means there has to be some forms of bigotry. But DA canon already gives you both of those experiences without recreating the sexism we already experience in the real world.

I wonder how all these male gamers demanding more sexism would feel if the writers decided Thedas was sexist against men. That in a world with powerful, iconic women and a female dominated religion, it would be men who got the boot? That male players would have their power fantasy interrupted by constant questioing of their characters presence and abilities? Some would dig the "realism" of sexism, but most would just be rageful.

That sounds ten times more interesting than DA's setting to me.

[DialupToaster]

XCelfa wrote...

randomchasegurney wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

Nefla wrote...

I'm a woman and I like my female characters to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned. As part of that, I also like the opportunity to prove the person wrong/insult/intimidate them, etc...It just adds more to the story. I also like playing the underdog (in my very first playthrough of DA:O I was an elf mage because both elves and mages were discriminated against and downtrodden) and proving myself though my skills and in a game that strongly resembles medieval Europe, you'd expect women to suffer at least some discrimination.

Maybe I feel this way because in real life I am very confident. Unlike some other women, I am not afraid of men in any way shape or form. I feel like even if I was physically attacked I could hold my own. Also most people in my life including strangers I meet are decent and not weird, sleazy, sexist, or demeaning and if they are, just ignore them and move on with your life, who cares? Stop being such a victim. People don't say things like "whaat? A woman can't be a doctor, that's just crazy talk!" anymore and I even make sexist-against women jokes sometimes "oh no I left the kitchen where I belong!" or whatever because the concept is hilariously ridiculous

I would also like to see more gender specific pronouns/titles! I want to be called ma'am, my lady, miss, etc...instead of "serrah" like men are called.

Eh. On one hand, you're saying "stop being such a victim" and on the other, you're saying that you like to be occasionally sexually harrassed/demeaned in game. That's problematic, I'm sorry. There are some of us that have lived through these things and find them incredibly cheap plot tools that actually reawaken some of those feelings of dread that we try our best to forget. And to say that you like it?

please do not assume that, because someone doesnt agree with you, that they are afraid of men [whhaaat???] or unconfident. That's ridiculous and is [most of the time] exactly the opposite and your generalization makes you look either a.) oblivious to the past experiences of others or b.) like you just don't care.

Wanting more gender specific pronouns is one thing; having a victimization fetish is another.

This is what I'm talking about when I say everyone is being reasonable but you, and again,why are you resurrecting this thread, do you not want to let it die? <_<

 please do not put words in other people's mouths, people find it offensive and rude, but you don't really care how OTHER people feel do you?

I would actually appreciate it if you pointed out to me where I was doing this. I literally took snippets of what she said and responded to them one by one.

Well this is very easy you see, by responding to me in this thread and not by pm you bump this thread back to the top, THUS more people see it and reply and the thread never dies.

[DialupToaster]

oui_je_danse wrote...

Captain Hex wrote...

Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.

(bolding mine)

An excellent post with one brilliant sentence that sums it all up.

Ok - some people like playing underdogs who fight back against harrasment. Ok - some people believe that the vague ye olde European setting means there has to be some forms of bigotry. But DA canon already gives you both of those experiences without recreating the sexism we already experience in the real world.

I wonder how all these male gamers demanding more sexism would feel if the writers decided Thedas was sexist against men. That in a world with powerful, iconic women and a female dominated religion, it would be men who got the boot? That male players would have their power fantasy interrupted by constant questioing of their characters presence and abilities? Some would dig the "realism" of sexism, but most would just be rageful.

I thought most evidence pointed out that (at least in Ferledan) women were pretty much in charge and men were incompetent.
Anora as queen
Priestesses rather than priests
Cailen was a failure

Seriously where would Fereldan be without it's women?

[oui_je_danse]

relhart wrote...

oui_je_danse wrote...

Captain Hex wrote...

Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.

(bolding mine)

An excellent post with one brilliant sentence that sums it all up.

Ok - some people like playing underdogs who fight back against harrasment. Ok - some people believe that the vague ye olde European setting means there has to be some forms of bigotry. But DA canon already gives you both of those experiences without recreating the sexism we already experience in the real world.

I wonder how all these male gamers demanding more sexism would feel if the writers decided Thedas was sexist against men. That in a world with powerful, iconic women and a female dominated religion, it would be men who got the boot? That male players would have their power fantasy interrupted by constant questioing of their characters presence and abilities? Some would dig the "realism" of sexism, but most would just be rageful.

That sounds ten times more interesting than DA's setting to me.

I'm not going to hold my breath for a flood of forum threads demanding male characters receive more sexist comments and sexual harrasment. Or even just having male gender pointed out more. Or even just being hit on unexpectedly, like people want to happen to female characters.

Anders might hit on Hawke once in DA2, maybe, and will back off if you turn him down. Some BSN posters still act like he groped their dick while shooting gay rays out his eyes.

I think a lot of people just want to improve the male power fantasy without consideration to female gamers.

[DialupToaster]

oui_je_danse wrote...

relhart wrote...

oui_je_danse wrote...

Captain Hex wrote...

Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.

(bolding mine)

An excellent post with one brilliant sentence that sums it all up.

Ok - some people like playing underdogs who fight back against harrasment. Ok - some people believe that the vague ye olde European setting means there has to be some forms of bigotry. But DA canon already gives you both of those experiences without recreating the sexism we already experience in the real world.

I wonder how all these male gamers demanding more sexism would feel if the writers decided Thedas was sexist against men. That in a world with powerful, iconic women and a female dominated religion, it would be men who got the boot? That male players would have their power fantasy interrupted by constant questioing of their characters presence and abilities? Some would dig the "realism" of sexism, but most would just be rageful.

That sounds ten times more interesting than DA's setting to me.

I'm not going to hold my breath for a flood of forum threads demanding male characters receive more sexist comments and sexual harrasment. Or even just having male gender pointed out more. Or even just being hit on unexpectedly, like people want to happen to female characters.

Anders might hit on Hawke once in DA2, maybe, and will back off if you turn him down. Some BSN posters still act like he groped their dick while shooting gay rays out his eyes.

I think a lot of people just want to improve the male power fantasy without consideration to female gamers.

Again I seriously want my male to be hit on more, though I think my enthusiasm shows how its less offensive to men... Every flit is another notch for our ego.

[FINE HERE]

oui_je_danse wrote...

relhart wrote...

oui_je_danse wrote...

Captain Hex wrote...

Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.

(bolding mine)

An excellent post with one brilliant sentence that sums it all up.

Ok - some people like playing underdogs who fight back against harrasment. Ok - some people believe that the vague ye olde European setting means there has to be some forms of bigotry. But DA canon already gives you both of those experiences without recreating the sexism we already experience in the real world.

I wonder how all these male gamers demanding more sexism would feel if the writers decided Thedas was sexist against men. That in a world with powerful, iconic women and a female dominated religion, it would be men who got the boot? That male players would have their power fantasy interrupted by constant questioing of their characters presence and abilities? Some would dig the "realism" of sexism, but most would just be rageful.

That sounds ten times more interesting than DA's setting to me.

I'm not going to hold my breath for a flood of forum threads demanding male characters receive more sexist comments and sexual harrasment. Or even just having male gender pointed out more. Or even just being hit on unexpectedly, like people want to happen to female characters.

Anders might hit on Hawke once in DA2, maybe, and will back off if you turn him down. Some BSN posters still act like he groped their dick while shooting gay rays out his eyes.

I think a lot of people just want to improve the male power fantasy without consideration to female gamers.

I think everyone is blowing the OP way out of proportion.

Speaking as a female, I want my choice to matter, that doesn't mean just getting hit on or harassed by randoming sleezy men(or women). It means NPCs noticing when I play either gender. I like that feeling of (using this word for a lack of better words) immersion. It feels like I'm really a part of the world of Thedas and they react to my gender, race, etc.

But if not matter what, all the reactions are relatively the same, it feels out of place. It's an illusion of choice, and I want to role play a female character. Like it or not, NPCs will notice my character is female, they should be allowed to comment on it. Not everyone thinks the same way, and Thedas isn't supposed to be a perfect world. There should be jerks of both genders ready to demean or mock the other. I've made examples in my previous posts about how I think NPCs should react to either genders and they're not terribly sexist or bigotted, but even if they were, it's a part of the story telling.

It's all about the world reacting to the choices we make. Picking a gender is one of them. I for one liked it when characters noticed my PC was female. I liked it when Shepard got to threaten the Batarian merc who called her a stripper. These things are part of the story. They're not a message of: "Sexism = Awesome!" Or "Men are the bestest evah!" They're just part of story telling.

[XCelfa]

oui_je_danse wrote...

Captain Hex wrote...

Allan Schumacher posted earlier in the S/S romances thread about how great it was that when Cortez mentions his husband to Shepard didn't blink an eye. That said something about the world that they were living in, that they had reached a point where that wasn't even worth commenting on. I like the idea of a world where the fact that my character is female as opposed to male isn't really worth commenting on, that it's a non issue.

(bolding mine)

An excellent post with one brilliant sentence that sums it all up.

Ok - some people like playing underdogs who fight back against harrasment. Ok - some people believe that the vague ye olde European setting means there has to be some forms of bigotry. But DA canon already gives you both of those experiences without recreating the sexism we already experience in the real world.

I wonder how all these male gamers demanding more sexism would feel if the writers decided Thedas was sexist against men. That in a world with powerful, iconic women and a female dominated religion, it would be men who got the boot? That male players would have their power fantasy interrupted by constant questioing of their characters presence and abilities? Some would dig the "realism" of sexism, but most would just be rageful.

It would mean more if they'd actually been on the recieving end of sexism in their day-to-day lives, though. It's easy for certain individuals to ignore that the reason some people find it irritating is because it actually happens. 

[TEWR]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Nope. Qunari culture says women shouldn't have the same positions as men and vice versa. Sten couldn't get his head around a female Warden being, well, female and I swear I remember him doubting if she was female in the first place which was quite funny actually rather than offensive and sexist.

More or less. Sten takes issue with a female Warden being in a position that the Qunari would consider a male-only role from a sociological -- not a biological -- perspective. They would view the Wardens as an army devoted to fighting the Darkspawn, and thus should only consist of men.

XCelfa wrote...

I think if he wasn't even concerned enough about Hawke to learn his/her name until Act II, gender mattered little to him. In his eyes, Hawke was just a puny human anyway. I'm glad that he took more issue with her humanity than with her sex. Because if he took greater issue with her sex, well... that would just make a female protagonist seem... subhuman, now wouldn't it?

In the eyes of the Qunari, women aren't allowed to fight in an army. 

Were Hawke to talk to the Arishok about her time in the Army of Ferelden, then he'd no doubt bring that up -- just as he does for a Female Hawke that will fight him, as it's not her place in the eyes of the Qunari to fight an invading army or its leader*.

To the Qunari, I assume they believe that if any opposing army is to fight them, it should consist of men. The only reason they don't make that stance known is... well... because there's not much time for tea-chat when you're busy disemboweling your enemy.

Granted, I haven't actually seen a female Hawke being refused to fight by the Arishok in Act II, nor have I seen Fenris' remarks on the subject. And I'm not certain there's a Youtube video on the matter.

However, the Arishok won't take issue with a Female Hawke that wiped out the Tal-Vashoth because that's a duty that falls to the Ben-Hassrath as well as the Antaam. So a Female Hawke that took down the Tal-Vashoth was living up to the duty a Qunari would view the Ben-Hassrath as having. Female Ben-Hassrath are, in fact, trained to fight. 

The difference between them and members of the Antaam -- the army of the Qunari -- is that they don't live by their blade.

I'd even argue that this is why the Arishok is fine with Hawke investigating the matters into the missing Qunari and taking down extremist elements in Kirkwall. As a Ben-Hassrath, a Qunari would be charged with protecting the faith and unity of their society.

And in Act 3, Hawke can be called Ben-Hassrath by Taarbas, with the important bit in that conversation being "Were you a Qunari".

[oui_je_danse]

FINE HERE wrote...

I think everyone is blowing the OP way out of proportion.

The OP, perhaps. The tone of the thread? No.

There are a lot of things that can be acknowledged and reacted to about your character. Gender is just a very loaded option with a lot of baggage considering how sexist the gaming industry is.

I'd rather the devs focused on nuanced reactions to things that actually matter in the DA universe. Like other NPCs reacting to your character being a blood mage? Or an elf? Or how your characters acts? The kinds of decisions your character has made?

[AmyBA]

FINE HERE wrote...
Then there's the 'I want to behave or be treated like a man does.' argument. Well, I don't. I want to be able to sound differently and act differently. Why does my fem PC have to be a badass or a tomboy? Why can't she speak softly while fighting bravely? Why can't my fem PC be shy? Why can't my fem PC be elegant? No, she has to approach every NPC as a strong woman, or 'like a man.' The animation for fem Hawke may have looked silly for some, but at least it acknowledged a more feminine character. I'd actually prefer if we could pick our stance being more masculine or feminine(dainty or strong, if you don't like those other labels).

I think the reason a lot of people take issue or get upset is because in most games, this is the norm and the only option. The choice to be tough or be a tom boy or to look tougher isnt usually given to us. More recent games have been better about it, but it still is very common. Look at how many people made fun of Aveline when they saw her, and started calling her man arms and other terrible names because she wasn't dainty or pretty, or the traditional hot warrior woman type. In most games, women can only be soft spoken, look gentle and elegant, and can only act in that manner. They are almost always regulated to roles as a caster or priest/healer type, or some kind of rogue, because they are seen as too weak to be a warrior/tank type. Then, If they are a tougher warrior, they are still running around half naked, or with caked on make up and some how perfect hair. I DO NOT have an issue with this kind of character or people wanting to play that kind of character though, some people like that and its totally cool that they do, no problems with it at all. But like you I want the option to NOT be that kind of character too. You said you base your character off of you, with your kind of softer mannerisms and voice, I base my characters more off of me. I am 183ish cm tall. I work out on regular basis, I've never really been soft and gentle, and my voice kind of matches that. I dont wear dresses or skirts or make up, or do my hair more than just washing it and keeping it brushed. I rarely get the option to represent that in game though, Bioware games (and one some level Bethesda) are some of the ONLY games that let me do that to some extent, and I like that I am not constantly referred to as dainty or pretty.

I don't have a problem with being softer and more feminine is an option, I actually think your idea of being able to maybe choose a personality trait that can help distinguish you as more masculine/strong or feminine/dainty, or whatever, is kind of cool and would be great if it were easy to add in. I have no idea if it would be, I think it would probably be kind of difficult, but it is still a cool idea and something I would love to see.

But yes, I don't have a problem with some references to gender, like once again, I had no problem with things such as the interaction with that Batarian and femshep, and enjoyed being able to pull a gun on him. I wouldn't mind more of that stuff at all. Actually, there was a scene in ME1 with Harkin in a bar that was similar, he hit on femshep and told her her body looked great in uniform, and you could either just ignore it, make a snarky flirty comment back, or threaten to rip his balls off, I enjoyed that as well. I just don't want it to be a big focus or made into a big deal that comes up all the time. I get what you mean by your example where you chose options to be a seductive character and then a known playboy was completely unphased by it, it would have been a great chance to have interesting banter and possibly even a humorous scene between the two. Something like that probably wouldn't really bother me either. I could imagine a playboy trying to hit on one of my characters and enjoying being able to give him a look like "Seriously, dude? You wanna try that with me again?" and having him stumble over his words giving second thoughts to it.

oui_je_danse wrote...

I'd rather the devs focused on nuanced reactions to things that actually matter in the DA universe. Like other NPCs reacting to your character being a blood mage? Or an elf? Or how your characters acts? The kinds of decisions your character has made?

Yea, this is something that would be neat too. I haven't really played a blood mage, mainly because I knew there wouldn't be much reaction from people, and I would love to see the reaction of party members when my mage cuts her wrists open or stabs herself in the chest or do some blood magic. 

Modifié par AmyBA, 09 octobre 2012 - 05:05 .

[daffl5]

i agree

[Felya87]

...would people be angry even if a lesbian character hit on her female PG? or is just for male NPG that people are angry?

oh, but than I would be called a homofobic. Yeah. People like strumentalize what someone say.

I have no problem with sexist character. As long as I have the chance to beat them, that gives me a smug sense of saddisfaction. As with the F/shep. I loved the renegade option with the Batarian.

A playboy character why should be a men?or why interested in girls! it could be a woman who usually seduce men to do what she want, and is up to the male character to decide how to react. Flirty, angry or disinterested.

So I'm ok with the female character to have the same option of a male character, but I'd like those little things that make recognizable if the character is male or female. Maybe save a little chid who never krew her mother say "I'd like my mom be like you", but say just "thanks" if the character is male.

My problem with too little recognization of the gender of the character, is make the choise of the character just estetic. That would be lame.

[KiwiQuiche]

NO.

I like that my female and male characters can do the same thing, without the female being degraded or told 'lolno' by everyone or treated like a hooker.

Though I would like more hetro romances. Everyone being bi in DA2 was kinda weird.

EDIT: And I agree with a few other posters; pay attention to the fact I'm an blood-mage than female in DA3 since the whole war crap.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 09 octobre 2012 - 09:05 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Felya87 wrote...
...would people be angry even if a lesbian character hit on her female PG? or is just for male NPG that people are angry?

I think you mean PC, but I agree with the sentiment.  The example of a male character hitting on a female PC clearly set some people off when it was meant as nothing more than an illustration of the world reaction to player choices, gender included.

Personally, I'd like the world to be more reactive to everything--specialization, class, race, plot choices, and gender too.  And honestly, if the very thought of someone noticing the PC's gender ticks people off, meh.  People don't have the right to not be offended, and the writers shouldn't have to tiptoe around us.

[Thrillian]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Felya87 wrote...
...would people be angry even if a lesbian character hit on her female PG? or is just for male NPG that people are angry?

I think you mean PC, but I agree with the sentiment.  The example of a male character hitting on a female PC clearly set some people off when it was meant as nothing more than an illustration of the world reaction to player choices, gender included.

Personally, I'd like the world to be more reactive to everything--specialization, class, race, plot choices, and gender too.  And honestly, if the very thought of someone noticing the PC's gender ticks people off, meh.  People don't have the right to not be offended, and the writers shouldn't have to tiptoe around us.

You are way too reasonable!  Your next post should start with something obviously offensive just to fit in around here.

[Knight of Dane]

I don't mind more focus on the gender roles as long as one doesn't have critical content unlocked the other can't have.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Thrillho_82 wrote...
You are way too reasonable!  Your next post should start with something obviously offensive just to fit in around here.

I like your style.  Therefore, I like cocaine and ****s because they are fun.  Sometimes together.  Also, BioWare is clearly out to make female gamers cry forever alone in a corner, unloved by the cruel gaming world.

Better? 

[Thrillian]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...
You are way too reasonable!  Your next post should start with something obviously offensive just to fit in around here.

I like your style.  Therefore, I like cocaine and ****s because they are fun.  Sometimes together.  Also, BioWare is clearly out to make female gamers cry forever alone in a corner, unloved by the cruel gaming world.

Better? 

Yes because if Bioware games have ever made me feel anything, it is to cry forever in a corner!  Or they make me feel accepted, one or the other. It's so hard to decide.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Thrillho_82 wrote...
Yes because if Bioware games have ever made me feel anything, it is to cry forever in a corner!  Or they make me feel accepted, one or the other. It's so hard to decide.

There there, Sten will provide cookies.  Unless you killed him.  No cookies then.

In all seriousness, nice to see someone with a sense of humor [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] A few lines of dialogue saying "hey, you're a woman" or "hey, you're a man" shouldn't be a bigger deal than lines that say "hey, you're an elf" or "hey, you're a d-bag for making that choice that screwed half the world."

And if they are, well, there's blood pressure medication for that.

[Zkyire]

"Power fantasy"?

I see that phrase all too often in threads that pop up around here.

A good-looking woman? Well that's just a male power fantasy.

A good-looking man? Well that.. that's also a male power fantasy. Apparantly.

Sexism against men and women? Well that's.. again also a male power fantasy.

Seriously?

When posters say they want NPCs to comment on the sex of your character, why do you people automatically jump to "OMG I'M A WOMAN! HE'S TALKING ABOUT WOMEN! THAT SEXIST PIG!"

People are asking for it to happen both ways, ie. some characters (both male and female) will say a few different lines to you, depending on whether you are male or female. That being that if you come across a heterosexual flirtatious woman and your PC is a man, then she might flirt with you, or if you come across a heterosexual man and your PC is a woman, the he might flirt with you. Or a homosexual man/woman flirting with your male/female PC. Are these sexist? No.

The sex of your character already does have an impact in the setting itself (ie. Chantry Clerics can only be women). That is sexist, but funnily enough there's no outcry about that kind of sexism.

What people here are asking is simply to have the sex of your character matter a bit more. There is a vast difference between more dialogue based on the sex of your character and flat out game-spanning bigotry.

People want their species to be commented on by NPCs, people want their class to be commented on by NPCs, people want their class specialisation to be commented on by NPCs, but their sex? Nono, that's sexist.

I've seen the argument popping up that people don't want their sex to be commented on because we're not mages or Elves, but we are men/women and so it has a personal effect?

Well we're also Human. And that's a species in game. If you can handle the comments on the species then you can handle comments on the sex.

Modifié par Zkyire, 09 octobre 2012 - 10:22 .

[reddead136]

I would kind of enjoy some more variety in the game by playing a different sex. I only play male characters in games , but if playing a female would give me even a slightly different perspective on things and my companions other than romanic situations , I feel I'd have a reason to try a female character out. More replay value is always good in my opinion.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Zkyire wrote...
The sex of your character already does have an impact in the setting itself (ie. Chantry Clerics can only be women). That is sexist, but funnily enough there's no outcry about that kind of sexism.

What people here are asking is simply to have the sex of your character matter a bit more. There is a vast difference between more dialogue based on the sex of your character and flat out game-spanning bigotry.

Gender inequality is an easy thing to be angry about because it still happens IRL, and I can't really blame folks who have a hair-trigger on the topic if they've been on the receiving end of a lot of it.  Though I personally find that having a sense of humor about the whole thing works better than raging at innocent forumites about it.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 09 octobre 2012 - 10:22 .