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[amethyst_rose2009]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

You can also select: "Maybe. It's too soon to say."

And he'll swoop in with a "Well, is it too soon for this?" and kiss you. Sigh.

I went through this one and ... I was a puddle on the floor.  /swoon

I love it when he tries to get all suave on you.  A-dork-able!

"I have other lines for you."

"So I fooled you, did I?"

"Oh I get it, I'll get it out of you yet ... trust me."

I loved "I have other lines for you" .  I wasn't expecting it and i just swooned listening to him.

Where does he say that last one though.  I've never heard that.

[Freckles04]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Yeah, I think that may be it.  I find it's too easy to accidentally get Leliana to fall in love with you even if you were just trying to be nice.

Oh, yeah! Give Leliana some nice gifts, be friendly to her, and before you know it, she confesses that she loves you! And not a friendly love, either. That girl needs to hold herself back a little, or at least test the waters first before falling for someone.  

[Freckles04]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

I loved "I have other lines for you" .  I wasn't expecting it and i just swooned listening to him.

Where does he say that last one though.  I've never heard that.

Going from memory here, so forgive me if it's not perfect (this is so sad that I can picture this concersation):

PC:  Has anyone ever told you you're handsome?

Alistair:  Not unless they wanted something from me. Well, there were those women in Denerim...but they were...nothing like you. Why? Is this your way of telling me you think I'm handsome? [with an ADORABLE look on his face, I might add]

PC:  My lips are sealed.

Alistair:  Oh, I get it. I'll get it out of you yet...

[amethyst_rose2009]

Freckles04 wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Yeah, I think that may be it.  I find it's too easy to accidentally get Leliana to fall in love with you even if you were just trying to be nice.

Oh, yeah! Give Leliana some nice gifts, be friendly to her, and before you know it, she confesses that she loves you! And not a friendly love, either. That girl needs to hold herself back a little, or at least test the waters first before falling for someone.  

I know one minute we're talking about how good Alistair is in bed and the next she's getting all pissy you love him and not her.

[Recidiva]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Yeah, I think that may be it.  I find it's too easy to accidentally get Leliana to fall in love with you even if you were just trying to be nice.  Or maybe it's Zev.  It's not accidental, it's intentional flirting with him.

Yeah, just go into everyone's personal section and see if you have an option for "we need to end this" and see if that doesn't fix it.

[amethyst_rose2009]

Freckles04 wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

I loved "I have other lines for you" .  I wasn't expecting it and i just swooned listening to him.

Where does he say that last one though.  I've never heard that.

Going from memory here, so forgive me if it's not perfect (this is so sad that I can picture this concersation):

PC:  Has anyone ever told you you're handsome?

Alistair:  Not unless they wanted something from me. Well, there were those women in Denerim...but they were...nothing like you. Why? Is this your way of telling me you think I'm handsome? [with an ADORABLE look on his face, I might add]

PC:  My lips are sealed.

Alistair:  Oh, I get it. I'll get it out of you yet...

Oh, how could I forget that.  I remember now.  I was just so concerned with "the kiss" that I must have completely blocked that out or something.

[Recidiva]

One of my all time favorites is when I saved my game and just ran through all the lines, even the ones I thought would ****** him off to no end. Some of them did. But one of my favorites is when you tell him lighting won't strike him for his performance..



"You mean that it was so good that the Maker himself will spare me the punishment? Right? Right? Awwww..."



And then if you tell him you might kill him he says "Mood spoiler."



I'm sorry, I just find it impossible to believe that someone who could say that...isn't the coolest person on the face of Ferelden. Well, right up to Landsmeet, anyway.

[Freckles04]

Recidiva wrote...

One of my all time favorites is when I saved my game and just ran through all the lines, even the ones I thought would ****** him off to no end. Some of them did. But one of my favorites is when you tell him lighting won't strike him for his performance..

"You mean that it was so good that the Maker himself will spare me the punishment? Right? Right? Awwww..."

And then if you tell him you might kill him he says "Mood spoiler."

I'm sorry, I just find it impossible to believe that someone who could say that...isn't the coolest person on the face of Ferelden. Well, right up to Landsmeet, anyway.

I love that no matter what you say to him after you and he "lick a lamp-post" for the first time, he takes no offense. Isn't that just so typical of the after-glow of your first time? The world is good, butterflies and puppies are frolicking, rainbows are sprouting out of nothing... LOL.

It cracks me up how NOTHING can bring him down in that conversation.

[Kohaku]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Yeah, I think that may be it.  I find it's too easy to accidentally get Leliana to fall in love with you even if you were just trying to be nice.

Oh, yeah! Give Leliana some nice gifts, be friendly to her, and before you know it, she confesses that she loves you! And not a friendly love, either. That girl needs to hold herself back a little, or at least test the waters first before falling for someone.  

I know one minute we're talking about how good Alistair is in bed and the next she's getting all pissy you love him and not her.

Really? Note to self, Do Leilana's romance.

[amethyst_rose2009]

One of my favorite Alistair lines is "Maker's Breath, you're beautiful.  I am a lucky man."

My heart melts every time he says that, which is often in my game because I'm apparantly a flirt with the others and he's always telling me to choose.

Not that I'm complaining about all the different romance options in the game.  I love that you have so many choices in DA.  Unline BG2 when you got only Anomen.  I liked Anomen, especially by the end of the Throne of Bhaal, it really was a very nice romance, but options, people, options.  Haer'Dalis would have been a nice romance option imo, kind of reminds me of Zevran a little.

[amethyst_rose2009]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Yeah, I think that may be it.  I find it's too easy to accidentally get Leliana to fall in love with you even if you were just trying to be nice.

Oh, yeah! Give Leliana some nice gifts, be friendly to her, and before you know it, she confesses that she loves you! And not a friendly love, either. That girl needs to hold herself back a little, or at least test the waters first before falling for someone.  

I know one minute we're talking about how good Alistair is in bed and the next she's getting all pissy you love him and not her.

Really? Note to self, Do Leilana's romance.

Yeah, I don't know what exactly triggers this, but the party was walking around somewhere and I accidentally clicked on Leliana and she starts this converstation about Alistair's performance in bed.  What was so hilarious is that he was in the party too and overheard us giggling about it and got embarassed.  "Maker, what is wrong with you women!" he blurted out. LOL.

[Freckles04]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Yeah, I don't know what exactly triggers this, but the party was walking around somewhere and I accidentally clicked on Leliana and she starts this converstation about Alistair's performance in bed.  What was so hilarious is that he was in the party too and overheard us giggling about it and got embarassed.  "Maker, what is wrong with you women!" he blurted out. LOL.

I LOVE that conversation. It cracks me up, especially the responses you can give to Leliana.

LOL... "Sometimes he gets too excited to listen."  Love that one, because it's probably so true, at least at first. And the "He has some wonderful ideas of his own" response...ooooo....

And Alistair's reaction is priceless. "Why are you giggling? Why is she giggling? ... My performance? ... Maker, what is WRONG with you women?"

You can have that conversation in camp, too, but you don't get Al's reaction.

[amethyst_rose2009]

Freckles04 wrote...

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Yeah, I don't know what exactly triggers this, but the party was walking around somewhere and I accidentally clicked on Leliana and she starts this converstation about Alistair's performance in bed.  What was so hilarious is that he was in the party too and overheard us giggling about it and got embarassed.  "Maker, what is wrong with you women!" he blurted out. LOL.

I LOVE that conversation. It cracks me up, especially the responses you can give to Leliana.

LOL... "Sometimes he gets too excited to listen."  Love that one, because it's probably so true, at least at first. And the "He has some wonderful ideas of his own" response...ooooo....

And Alistair's reaction is priceless. "Why are you giggling? Why is she giggling? ... My performance? ... Maker, what is WRONG with you women?"

You can have that conversation in camp, too, but you don't get Al's reaction.

Oh, you just gotta get Ali's reaction though.  If I ever get that in camp, I'll just have to reload.  He is just too cute when he blushes.

[ReubenLiew]

I'm beginning to think women are imagining the expression on Alistair's face... he never blushes, not does he have more than 5 different emotive eyes on his face. He doesn't blush because he doesn't change the color of his cheeks, nor does his expression convey the kind of sadness or love people seem to profess he does.



He either a)moves his eyebrows up, down angry or down sad, and moves his lips.

[amethyst_rose2009]

ReubenLiew wrote...

I'm beginning to think women are imagining the expression on Alistair's face... he never blushes, not does he have more than 5 different emotive eyes on his face. He doesn't blush because he doesn't change the color of his cheeks, nor does his expression convey the kind of sadness or love people seem to profess he does.

He either a)moves his eyebrows up, down angry or down sad, and moves his lips.

Sigh.  Is it just me or do men lack imagination?  Ok, he's so cute when he's embarassed then.  Better? *sticks tongue out at Reuben*

[ReubenLiew]

It's not that I lack imagination, I simply don't project my own feelings to an animated face when it clearly doesn't have that animation.

Then again I do animation so maybe it's just me.

[amethyst_rose2009]

ReubenLiew wrote...

It's not that I lack imagination, I simply don't project my own feelings to an animated face when it clearly doesn't have that animation.
Then again I do animation so maybe it's just me.

It's kind of like when we girls read romance novels.  We can't really see the expressions the characters in the book are making, but we imagine them anyway.  To me and I think a lot of the ladies here, rpg games are like interactive romance novels, well if there's a romance in them anyway. Games without romances (ie any of Bethesda's games) are still a lot like interactive fantasy novels.  Imo anyway.

Edit: Maybe the other ladies can word it better than me.  Girls help me out here.  Our Ali needs us.

Modifié par amethyst_rose2009, 31 décembre 2009 - 05:19 .

[ReubenLiew]

The difference is that in novels there are no actual faces to put onto the paper unless there are illustrations. I would put this more akin with playing with models/toys/dolls/teddies and imagining them with emotions where there clearly aren't.

Which I suppose happens often enough anyway, but it still startles me when people say how much love he has in his eyes, when all I see is stock animation blendshape eyebrows B and stock animation lips C or something that has been used before but not in the same context and used for a different expression. But then again as I said I work in animation so maybe that's just me.

[amethyst_rose2009]

ReubenLiew wrote...

The difference is that in novels there are no actual faces to put onto the paper unless there are illustrations. I would put this more akin with playing with models/toys/dolls/teddies and imagining them with emotions where there clearly aren't.
Which I suppose happens often enough anyway, but it still startles me when people say how much love he has in his eyes, when all I see is stock animation blendshape eyebrows B and stock animation lips C or something that has been used before but not in the same context and used for a different expression. But then again as I said I work in animation so maybe that's just me.

I work with 3d models and I know they are very clay-like and lifeless. Eyes are especially difficult to make look real, because as they say 'eyes are the windows to the soul' so that's where most expressions usually are seen and it's extremely important to get the eyes just right.  I think the devs did an excellant job with the expressions in the game.  And for the most part, the eyes really do convey a certain realness and you can tell if the character is angry or is being really sweet or is embarassed.  I mean yeah, some of it is our own imagination.  But I still think there are more expressions in the game than you realize.  Maybe the devs can help us out on this.

Edit: an example of a scene where Alistair, I think, is showing a lot of emotion (especially in the eyes) is the scene of the PC's joining.  Alistair looks downright terrified. He knows that someone is probably going to die and is pretty freaked out.  And after Ser Jory is gutted, he looks as if he's going to puke. Surely I'm not the only one who saw it that way.

Modifié par amethyst_rose2009, 31 décembre 2009 - 05:43 .

[ReubenLiew]

Oh no, I mean they did a very good job of the expressions yes.

The problem is I see that same expression for his eyes when he's crying about Duncan, or talking about flying dogs. It's the mixture between the eyes and the lips that make all the difference, but clearly his expressions are still limited to a certain scope.



The TRUE test of emotion is in the voice acting. If people tell me that the voice is full of love, yes I can agree to that, but they are projecting the context of te situation and the force of the voice acting into the face, thereby falsely reading an expression that really isn't there.

I mean, it certainly DOES look like some of it is said with a certain tone to it, bashfulness, love and sadness, but clearly when one claims it is THE most love-stricken face ever made is clearly exagerrating or is projecting her/his own feelings into the image.

[amethyst_rose2009]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Oh no, I mean they did a very good job of the expressions yes.
The problem is I see that same expression for his eyes when he's crying about Duncan, or talking about flying dogs. It's the mixture between the eyes and the lips that make all the difference, but clearly his expressions are still limited to a certain scope.

The TRUE test of emotion is in the voice acting. If people tell me that the voice is full of love, yes I can agree to that, but they are projecting the context of te situation and the force of the voice acting into the face, thereby falsely reading an expression that really isn't there.
I mean, it certainly DOES look like some of it is said with a certain tone to it, bashfulness, love and sadness, but clearly when one claims it is THE most love-stricken face ever made is clearly exagerrating or is projecting her/his own feelings into the image.

Well, I admit that a lot of it is in the voice acting.  DA has some of the best voice acting of any game.  So yes, a lot of times Steve Valentine (Alistair's voice actor) may seem so convincing that will make us see something (ie: blushing, etc) when it really isn't there.  But I think that's the power of good voice acting. 

[ReubenLiew]

Exactly!

So my point still stands, I think you people are crazy and are seeing crazy things, man. Stay away from the voice, man, it'll **** you up!

[amethyst_rose2009]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Exactly!
So my point still stands, I think you people are crazy and are seeing crazy things, man. Stay away from the voice, man, it'll **** you up!

Ha! Guys can fall to the power of "the voice" as well though.  My husband was completely smitten with Morrigan and was talking about how they did such a good job on making her so life-like when they didn't do that with the other characters.  I kept wondering what on earth he was talking about.  So I guess he was doing the same thing.  Morrigan's voice actor (can't remember her name) was so great that it convinced him he was seeing a more life-like Morrigan than I certainly was seeing.  I mean I honestly don't think they did that great a job on Morrigan's model, but it's all in the power of "the voice".

[ReubenLiew]

Well to be fair of all the characters in the game she's the only one with a noticable side-boob show.

It's hard to concentrate when that thing just stares at you in the face.

[amethyst_rose2009]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Well to be fair of all the characters in the game she's the only one with a noticable side-boob show.
It's hard to concentrate when that thing just stares at you in the face.

Ok, I'll give you that.  Darn, now I'm just going to have to strip Ali down to his skivvies and have him running around killing darkspawn that way.  Not sure how long he'll last like that, but I'll sure enjoy it til he drops unconscious.