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[MorningBird]

Well, my PC wiped out the cultists but left the High Dragon alive. They were very much a 'get in and get out' sort, so killing the sleeping dragon when they could just sneak by it was an unnecessary risk.



After retrieving the ashes, they showed them to Brother Genitivi... who then decided to share his knowledge of the Urn with the world. My PC let him live with a warning, because they weren't all that into killing those who posed them no personal threat.



As a result, my end game epilogue states that although although many pilgrims sought the Urn of Sacred Ashes, they were continuously thwarted by the Dragon. Eventually the Dragon departed, but by then the temple had collapsed, and the Urn was lost for good.



From my perspective, that's a rather good ending. From your perspective, you may feel differently.



My advice would be to write whatever you want in your fanfiction, since each player's individual play through is intended to be different. Maybe in yours the dragon is evil... or good, or whatever you like.



Happy writing!

[Hahren]

I do not feel the high dragon is evil. It's no more evil than a tiger. The codex on dragons even states that they aren't of human level intelligence. It's just a really large, and dangerous predator that happens to be the top of the food chain. Many of the times people that worship dragons are evil though.

[Taritu]

Realmzmaster wrote...

If you look at dragons as animals then the concepts of good and evil do not apply. If you view dragons as intelligent beings then you may view them as good or evil, that does not mean that the dragon shares your concept. The dragon sees itself at the top of the food chain. Basically doing what it and its kind need to survive.
If the dragon is intelligent why not let the humans who worship it keep and keep the undesirables away.
If someone other than Korgrim blows the horn then the dragon can only assume that its position is threaten. Which means it and its kind will become hunted like in the past. Remember dragons were hunted almost to extinction. Also dragons have long lives, the high dragon could be a survivor of that time. So who is the evil one is a matter of perspective.

Good point.  Dragons have never tried to commit genocide on humans.  Humans, otoh, have tried to commit genocide on dragons. Who's evil?

Matter of perspective, I guess.  But if I were a dragon, I'd say my case against humans was pretty strong.

[Taritu]

Hahren wrote...

I do not feel the high dragon is evil. It's no more evil than a tiger. The codex on dragons even states that they aren't of human level intelligence. It's just a really large, and dangerous predator that happens to be the top of the food chain. Many of the times people that worship dragons are evil though.

The codex actually says it isn't clear.  They've never done anything that makes it clear they're human level intelligence, but they do things like make implicit deals with cultists which could indicate they're intelligent.

Another possibility (not supported anyway, but interesting) is that high dragons might eventually turn into old god types.

[ReubenLiew]

What, didn't you see the anti-semitic writing on it's wings and the **** tattoo on it's neck?

It's got no hair!

It's not that hard to put two and two together!

[MatronAdena]

When I look at the high dragon, I see a semi-sentient animal doing as nature dictates. I have seen it reasoned with ( when you side with the cultists, and it comes down to defend it's territory) and it just flies back up to her roost and huffs in annoyance. And later if you spare it, it gets annoyed with pilgrims showing up, and so it flies off looking for a new place. Naturally it would attack if you intentionally aggravate it ( blowing horn, or hitting gong)

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Hehe, in one of my upcoming playthroughs/fan fiction I am creating, I have a mage whom has the essence of one of an alleged dead dragon inside her (no, not copying from Gaider this is more akin to Tiamat from D&D taking on human form) and learns to shapeshift into a dragon, she finds the 'cult of andraste' humourous as she knows that it ISN'T Andraste, but is well aware that it is one of her fellow kin and as such a useful ally. Long story short, she is going to let as many of the cultists live (not going into any of the eastern side caves in the wyrmling lair) and won't kill the Dragon on the principal that she will make a formidable ally when she decides to take over Ferelden with her forces.



Oh and the Templars and stupid mages in the Circle Tower are going to end up dead because the Templars are just annoying and the Circle Mages weak minded fools that allowed some stupid demons to take over them. Begun the Dragon Age, has truly.

[th3warr1or]

Crrash wrote...

Malaia wrote...

 I know that arch demons are dragons, but are all dragons demons? 

 Appreciate anyone that can answer as I know the sacred ashes dragon doesn't have to die. 

all archdemons are old gods, all old gods are (afaik) uber dragons or something. BUT! not all dragons are old gods and not all old gods are archdemons (although the darkspawn are trying their best at turning all archdemons into old gods).
What i mean, Dragons aren't necessarily evil and dragon!Andraste didn't do anything evil. She just lived there as the deity of the Haven people.

Wait.. are you suggesting that the Dragon is Andraste? Cause it's not.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

They named it Andraste, didn't they? =P

Like the Mexican people called Jesus who aren't the Second Coming at all!

Modifié par Ulrik the Slayer, 29 décembre 2009 - 11:59 .

[Cybercat999]

Andraste is a good name for a cat too.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

A cat is fine too.





..ugh...I feel dirty now.

[mrofni]

The cultists believed that the dragon was Andraste reincarnated. We don't know it isn't. They don't give clear proof that they are wrong. Just like they don't give clear proof the maker actually exists.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

mrofni wrote...

The cultists believed that the dragon was Andraste reincarnated. We don't know it isn't. They don't give clear proof that they are wrong. Just like they don't give clear proof the maker actually exists.

The Guardian states to the PC that it isn't Andraste reincarnated.  I don't think the Guardian would lie.

[Taleroth]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

I don't think the Guardian would lie.

Because all mystical beings are omniscient, so he would actually know.  And, even if he wasn't, simply being wrong is exactly the same as lying.

[mrofni]

He may not lie, but he could be wrong. What makes his view more accurate then theirs? The cultists were guarding her ashes before too. Who's to say that the guardian isn't the stubborn fool who can't accept Andraste's reincarnation? Until there is evidence proving/disproving one, either view is possible.

[Fleshsucker]

All i have to say is that it wasn't very hungry.(Cultist leaning in to talk to it) But If your an old role player..Id say Dragos at a certain age become aware of there being (in a dragon way) Collection of hoards having knights challenge them..ect.. So some would be content to live with humans while others would indeed seek the meat and tators..So are they good or evil this is defined in intelelect.And i for one say Dragons are intellegent

[KnightofPhoenix]

I was dissapointed that we couldn't learn more about the cult and actually join them.

The high dragom seems to be sentient and understands human speech. That much is clear. I want to know what it wants.

[Maria Caliban]

Malaia wrote...

LOL, well it's not important to gameplay, but it is to my fanfiction story. My character would feel bad for the slaughter of an animal that is no danger to anyone...but she'd kick the hell outta a demon (well, she'd send Alistair to do it, while hiding behind him).

Have you ever watched the movie Jaws? Imagine dragons like that, not evil or demonic, but very vicious, powerful, and cunning.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 décembre 2009 - 01:36 .

[Maria Caliban]

Taritu wrote...

Good point.  Dragons have never tried to commit genocide on humans.  Humans, otoh, have tried to commit genocide on dragons. Who's evil?

Neither. Dragons attack and kill humans. A high dragon can easily destroy an entire town and has a strong instinct to do so.

Humans have never tried to 'commit genocide' on dragons. They've hunted them to extinction in some places in Thedas, but we're talking a dark ages culture here.

[Vicious]

I needed to collect taxes from the Dragon being that she was living in Ferelden. But the problem was she had eaten her hoard so the only way I could get to it was by killing her.



Taxation with representation.

[Spartansfan8888]

I was practicing playing the gong for the annual Grey Warden orchestra performance and guess who decides to crash the party....

[hyrulehistorian]

how intellegent are high dragons. they didn't come off as super intellegent like in D&D. Though a lack of speech would have skewed are perspective. However all we have ever seen in dragon age of dragons are animalistic tendencies. In both the book the calling and the game, what we saw of dragons didn't provide any evidence of human like intellegence. Not to say its not there, it just wasn't shown.

[Realmzmaster]

We are making the assumption that dragon are the unintelligent ones. Maybe the human level of intelligence is too low and communicating with humans is tiresome. Why are we surprised that dragons consider humans to be tasty morsels along with other members of the food chain?

[Realmzmaster]

In D & D dragons run the gauntlet from super genius (Platinum) to black dragon (intelligent), but in Dragon Age we do not know the intelligence level. But the high drago seems smart enough to let humans worship it and keep others away. The high dragon seems to have a cunning intelligence.

[KCat]

MorningBird wrote...

Well, my PC wiped out the cultists but left the High Dragon alive. They were very much a 'get in and get out' sort, so killing the sleeping dragon when they could just sneak by it was an unnecessary risk.



After retrieving the ashes, they showed them to Brother Genitivi... who then decided to share his knowledge of the Urn with the world. My PC let him live with a warning, because they weren't all that into killing those who posed them no personal threat.



As a result, my end game epilogue states that although although many pilgrims sought the Urn of Sacred Ashes, they were continuously thwarted by the Dragon. Eventually the Dragon departed, but by then the temple had collapsed, and the Urn was lost for good.

Interesting. I made similar choices for similar reasons (would've joined the reavers, but they didn't strike me as the level-headed type, and my valued companions' also didn't think highly of them). I let the dragon live since it wasn't a threat to me.. I wasn't going to go out of my way to kill it. I told Genitivi that it wasn't a good idea to have pilgrimages, but I wasn't going to stop him.

My epilogue also stated that the dragon thwarted pilgrims from the temple. However, eventually the dragon flew away, and when people got into the temple (which was not any more destroyed than before) the ashes were simply gone. I like to believe "Andraste" took them, but it's more likely some sneaky thief was able to get them before others got in.

To the OP:
I don't see the dragon as evil. I like to think of it as a magnificent, if sometimes temperamental, beast, worthy of respect.

Modifié par KCat, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:04 .