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[ysucae]

I'm so sorry for you, Rebel_Raven.
BSN's not the place for progressive thinking and generally not having a dick.

Right now, studies show that 48% of gamers are female. We play hardcore game, we are demanding representation, and people still use the old "but women aren't in the military" or "they are not strong enough" or even the "but you have those 15* characters already! don't you have enough!??!?!!11!!" tripe that I've seen since I began asking for games with female in it at 6 years old.

IT'S FRIGGIN SCI-FI. Can't we hope for a less biased and inexplicably sexist future where there's an equal number of female and colored person? JFC.

* Female count is at ~15+2, Male count is at ~34+12; yeah, right, 17 vs 46 is totally fair guys.

[Grunt_Platform]

Turian females would be the easiest way to add some badass gunslinging women to the game. Take a turian male mesh, shorten or remove the long fringe, get a female voice actor and apply the same vocal effects, bam. Female turian. Keep that same awesome Turian Veteran weapon passive tree, and they're some top tier badasses.

It's clear in both the codex and through talking with Garrus that all turians serve in the military, men and women. And I personally would love playing as one.

Modifié par EvanKester, 12 octobre 2012 - 02:04 .

[Flambirex]

I too would've loved a Quarian Female Marksman! I'm holding out a shred of hope for some awesome female Salarians but the odds on that are too long

[Lokiwithrope]

ysucae wrote...

17 vs 46 is totally fair guys.

Life isn't fair all the time. Even today, colored people are getting payed less than caucasians are. Bull****, I know.

[sandboxgod]

I would've liked some female characters sure (responding to OP, didnt make it through the whole thread)

[Rebel_Raven]

Cyonan wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Yeah I've read a lot about the myths of the excuses developers have to exclude women from games, too. Hence my signature.

I can't imagine it's terribly difficult to reshape a suit of full turian armor, and add a modulated woman's voice.

I'm a programmer rather than an animator, so I really can only go off what other say, though it was mentioned that they can actually use the male model to make a female model, at least for humans.

Pretty much anything Jim Sterling says is awesome =P

Indeed on all accounts!

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Why do people keep asking for female turians? Just a question.

I can only name a few reasons. In no particular order:

1: Challenge! Can Bioware make one?! They've said before they weren't sure how to. Will time help their muses? Will they cop out, and just reshape turian armor, and change the voice, or will they go all the way? Both?

2: Curiousity! What will she look like? Sound like? What sort of power set might she have? What classes? We've never seen an actual Bioware made Female Turian! So much mystery! For 3 games, and countless DLCs we can only speculate, and go off less than cannon artworks.

3: Playstyle! With, now, an assortment of turian playstyles, there really isn't a female equivalent to many of them.  Ya know, the playstyle revolving around making almost any gun compeditive? *Looks at TSol, and maybe one of the new ones.* Forget rocketpacks, I wanna make my bullets hurt more, and more!
Plus Turians are fairly durable.
Women are long overdue for a similar playstyle in many a person's opinion.

4: LORE! All turian citizens, male or female, serve in the army in one capacity or another, and women are no strangers to the front lines! Lets see that put into action!

5: Mass effect is a world rich in giving a crap about gender equity, IMO. People that say otherwise? Femshep wants a word with you. The first pair of characters in every class in multiplayer, and all the quarians, too. Bioware seems to be loosing sight of that with DLCs, though. This is really rubbing me the wrong way!

6:Turi-girl butts you can bounce quarters off of! And probably low calibur bullets, too!

7: We wanna see some of that fabled Turian female flexibility! Will she prowl like a jungle cat/dragon hybrid as she strides across the battle field?

That's it off the top of my head. All those reasons are mine, too. Others may, or may not share some, if any. If there's more reasons, do tell!

[ysucae]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

ysucae wrote...

17 vs 46 is totally fair guys.

Life isn't fair all the time. Even today, colored people are getting payed less than caucasians are. Bull****, I know.

Just seeking to advance the cause little by little. Maybe up the fem representation from an average of one in four (when we are even represented) to half and half most of the time, as it should be. And getting rid of that "it's realistic" bag of crap. In shooters and RPGs and friggin RTS because I want to play starcraft 2 with a female badass marine squad too, gosh. xD

EDIT: and it'S the same for POC. It always bugs me that even the ALIENS are light-skinned. Dark blue for asari, maybe? :/

Modifié par ysucae, 12 octobre 2012 - 02:20 .

[Rudest]

I would have loved for the Quarian Marksman to be female; my marksmen characters in rpies are usually female. It just feels right. When I was in the military, some of the best shots I knew were female. And my friend's mother, a Canadian, went to sniper school. I blame Sniper Wolf. You should blame her too.

Mass Effect is a setting where technology can bring male and female to equal footing when it comes to physical performance. Hydraulic joints, biotic implants, reinforced suits, adrenaline modules ect---So any weapon load-out can easily be justified. When I make a character in a table top rpg, or even an mmo, I sit and think. "Who is this person?" My personal gender does not apply. I feel the same when I pick a premade character. Such as the Quarian Female Engineer. It is a non-factor. She is who she is.

I however... Do not feel that female gamers are being short-changed in any way what so ever when it comes to ME3. No offense, but women have this..innate sense of entitlement. Very territorial creatures. I'm not against female gamers---I'm just against their constant demands for us to acclimate every video game that they touch specifically for them, to the point of having the creative process infringed upon to make simple selfish changes that appeal to a minority of extreme female gamers.

This is a predominantly male sub-culture that you women have found yourselves in. That is purely fact. When you step into it? You have already acknowledge that, you love the story, content, and game-play-----and if you want to change that then you're gaming for the wrong reasons. It's not about male or female. It's about culture. You can't enter it an expect to start some movement to have it your way, there isn't some civil rights battle here to fight for.

A gamer is a gamer. The females are the only people drawing lines in the sand, and making the grand proclamation that they are "girl gamers".. This should be a non-factor, truly.

I apologize if I come off as chauvinistic because that's not the statement I'm trying to make at all. Just asserting a concrete view on my perspective of how creativity and culture should not take a back seat to anyone's individual needs.. I also apologize if this isn't in relation to the direction this topic has taken.

I'd also like to reiterate that I do not frown upon female  gamers.

Modifié par Rudest, 12 octobre 2012 - 02:25 .

[sandboxgod]

Hey guys i never saw a female turian in single player. Same for salarians. I've played all 3 mass effect campaigns too. Perhaps you guys ave seen them? I wonder if there are girl turians (silly I know they must exist but find it odd)

Modifié par sandboxgod, 12 octobre 2012 - 02:23 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

We need a Volus Female Biotic God!

[Distilled Poison]

I love how people are STILL including races which haven't had females present in the game in their counts of males versus females. By that logic, it is impossible to balance the numbers between genders.

Also, I'd love to see the source on "48% of gamers are females." I know there are a lot more females in gaming than most men think, but I find it impossible to believe that it's an equal split.

[Gust4v]

I Still can't believe they decided to add a Quarian Marksman instead of a Markswoman. There only one female soldier.

One.

[Lokiwithrope]

Gust4v wrote...

I Still can't believe they decided to add a Quarian Marksman instead of a Markswoman. There only one female soldier.

One.

Markswoman doesn't roll off the tongue as easily.

[Rebel_Raven]

sandboxgod wrote...

Hey guys i never saw a female turian in single player. Same for salarians. I've played all 3 mass effect campaigns too. Perhaps you guys ave seen them? I wonder if there are girl turians (silly I know they must exist but find it odd)

Salarian women are astoundingly similar to males in appearance. Delatrass whazzername who wanted you to botch the genophage cure at the least, I'm sure was female.

I think the salarian women are hard to miss.

Turians? Whole diffirent matter. Never seen one in game. In comics, fan art, sure, but none were really made by bioware. Never heard one either. Curiousity abounds! Rawr!

[Rudest]

>.> awww I didn't draw anyone into a debate no lulz for old Rude.

[Rebel_Raven]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

We need a Volus Female Biotic God!

Biotic Goddess!
That's got a nice ring to it!

Wunner what people's opinions are on heavy breathing women? 

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 12 octobre 2012 - 02:42 .

[Rudest]

<.<

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

We need a Volus Female Biotic God!

Biotic Goddess!
That's got a nice ring to it!

It's settled then. BioWare, implement this. Nao! 

[Rebel_Raven]

Rudest wrote...

<.<

Sorry, I'd debate, but I've got a headache atm. From krogan style headbutting the other debaters. WRAHAA!! lol

[Rudest]

XD

Another time then!

[Brymfyre]

The human races are equal, maybe the other races never had gender revolutions. Of course, look at Salarians; the females are the head honchos for the most part with them. I do agree that the new Turians should've been female, those jet packs do make them more flexible.

[ysucae]

Distilled Poison wrote...

I love how people are STILL including races which haven't had females present in the game in their counts of males versus females. By that logic, it is impossible to balance the numbers between genders.

Also, I'd love to see the source on "48% of gamers are females." I know there are a lot more females in gaming than most men think, but I find it impossible to believe that it's an equal split.

We've seen salarian, krogan, quarian, and maybe even turian since they're supposed to be pretty similar. Theorically vorcha could be the same too. Batarian? Probably too. The armor on the new turians are bulky enough, you just have to change the voice. This is an afternoon of work with a good audio tool and pre-existing human female voice. It's not like we're difficult, at this point. But I guess they won't be sexy enough for the dudebros.

I won't dig out the study, just use google. There's a couple of 'em. Or maybe we're just less afraid of affirming our identities. It's not much of a stretch, really. ESPECIALLY on Mass Effect.

Progress is the little things.

ooooh and I juuuust saw the "don't bother, women/LGBT/POC peoples, it's the culture" one. Yeah. Like owning human as properties was. X/

[Broganisity]

I shall now throw my meaningless two cents about this thread!

The Short version, MP Related: The DLC was disappointing both in power amounts and in gender imbalance. Its highlight was the Collectors, New Turians/Volus and Hazard Maps. Females have yet to have a true 'heavy weapons' or 'CQC' character. Bioware: when did 'exploring humanity' turn into 'exploring Man...ities.'.

The Long Version, MP/Mass Effect Related: This DLC has been rumored for awhile. While I understand that the majority of the time was spent working on the Collectors (who are both fun and annoying-in-a-good-way to fight.), fixing things that needed fixing, and siting around trying to figure out how to make Volus work and then dedicate a fourth of the DLC to them-

Don't get me wrong, the Volus are good but: Four? Engineer I'm perfectly fine with, Adept? Fine. Capitalize on your jokes. But four of them? Those slots could have gone into places that really needed them: The Salarians for example are now the only 'old' race with two characters to their name. While I don't like using the Salarians (both the MP classes and the portrayal of the race) others do, and adding variety to them would have been a smarter move.

That's thing really: Variety...Wait, lets Capitalize that and Italicize that, and its been a pretty darn important concept in Mass Effect since the first came out: Variety. That's better. Just how varied are these new classes? We'll have to wait and see how they play, but visually? Barely a difference. A third Male Quarian (Five quarians total), another Battlemaster (lets face it: He ain't no shaman.), et cetera and no new appearances save for the two Turians we just got.

What made Mass Effect great was how diverse everything and everyone looked and acted. Yeah, sure, it's multiplayer, but if every map consisted solely of office buildings with slightly different desk layouts and motivational posters on some of the walls would you really enjoy it more compared to fighting on White then jumping to Jade then maybe a match or two on Giant? The Sandstorm on Dagger is pretty sweet also.

Even if our characters don't have elaborate backstories (outside of our heads, that is.), it'd be nice if they looked different. If the Battlemaster vanguard had been released with the same appearance of the Soldier and Sentinel would you be as impressed?

And then we get to the big deal: The gender of the characters. How many characters are there now (including the upcoming twelve)? I forget and I don't want to count. I remember when I saw the DLC charts I scratched my head and counted the females because it was that much easier. Excluding the Asari (the 'green space chicks from space' trope.No offense to the blue people.) for a moment that gives us Eleven. Eleven female characters, two of them are quarians. With the asari (including the unreleased two), that brings the female total to, assuming my math has been right this whole time: Sixteen.

Now don't get me wrong, sixteen different female characters is impressive compared to most other shooters, most of which are mostly testosterone fulled chainsaw massacres with blood, guts, and reproductive fluids spewing every which way. But the last time I checked that wasn't what mass effect was. It wasn't just about the The hero and their journey; it was who was journeying with them. Those who guided you. And even just that guy you met standing on a cardboard box who claimed you were a blight on galactic purity. Everyone was different; unique. Varied. Attempting to compare Grunt and Wrex was like trying to compare a Velociraptor to a Humvee driven by President Randy Savage (R.I.P. ; n; ). If all your squadmates were 'big buff dude #404' 'big chested woman #369' and 'swirly glasses kid 510', would you have enjoyed that? If they all had the same abilities would you enjoy that?

Going off of that, there is little variety between female classes when compared to the male classes: Who have CQC roles, Defensive roles, Support, a mix of them, Et cetera. Female classes? They are largely in support roles. Yes, they can do damage but there's little variety in how they fight. Demolisher? Just chuck grenades. Female Quarian engineer? We have yet to see a true female counterpart for classes like the Destroyer or Krogan, the closest thing we've got being the Human Soldier/Vanguard (which the men also have exactly.) and in a way the fury and shadow, but neither of those are remotely 'tanky' or capable of fighting extended periods in close combat.

Had the Turian havoc/ghost been Female that'd have been alright. Heck, even adding a new female human instead of a third/fourth volus would have been nice, especially if they were built for Close Quarters. Now I'm not saying 'hey: lets have a female krogan soldier!' Because that defeats the purpose of having variety. Which this DLC is sorely lacking in outside of the new enemies.

On a side note I would like to say that while I think a female Krogan could work (they are more than capable of handling weapons as seen with Eve, or in devising strategy and aiding in/presiding over clan affairs as evidenced by dialogue with Wrex on Tuchanka in ME2 and Sur'Kesh in ME3. Suicide missions from infertile females to lure Reapers from the fertiles? Brutal, but genius.) I personally would not care to see one implemented when the prospect of adding in a Female Turian for the first time (even if its a helmeted version) to the game series would be a better treat to the fans than the volus or a maybe even a maskless Quarian-that-isn't-a-stock-photo.

As to how I think a 'Fem-Turian' should look? Nothing like the Fan Art, no matter how good the quality or style is.Its up to Bioware...just pray by The Void that Bioware doesn't just turn them into Bird versions of the Asari. ._ ."

I have a feeling I'll start rambling soon so I shall conclude with this final side note: I want the blood dragon armor for use in Mass Effect MP. Bioware, make it happen.

Modifié par Broganisity, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:01 .

[ysucae]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

Hey guys i never saw a female turian in single player. Same for salarians. I've played all 3 mass effect campaigns too. Perhaps you guys ave seen them? I wonder if there are girl turians (silly I know they must exist but find it odd)

Salarian women are astoundingly similar to males in appearance. Delatrass whazzername who wanted you to botch the genophage cure at the least, I'm sure was female.

I think the salarian women are hard to miss.

Turians? Whole diffirent matter. Never seen one in game. In comics, fan art, sure, but none were really made by bioware. Never heard one either. Curiousity abounds! Rawr!

The salarian councilor is female if you let the old one die in ME1, for god's sake.

Turian in armor = female turian. It is now known. /headcanon

[Rudest]

Awww. Nothing from ysucae either. Pity! Not a good night for intelligent debate! I'm always late to the good parties damn it!

Edit: And if that slavery thing was aimed at my post...that's just...in bad taste, and completely lacking in consideration of my context.

Modifié par Rudest, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:04 .