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[Ypiret]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

The conclusions your draw for BioWare's choice of characters are incredible hilarious and frustrating. I just want to shake you and yell reason into your face.

Oh my God this is still alive.

OP - Start a blog, seriously.

I feel like she'd be someone who goes on Tumblr frequently.

I hate Tumblr and try to avoid it at all costs.

I wouldn't come to them if Bioware didn't give me the equivalent of 2 all male DLCs, and some asari on the side. *Shrugs*

You can hate me all you want, but I don't care.

Oh, no

I don't hate you at all. I think you have good intentions; they're just misguided, unreasonable, and probably hypocritical. Which isn't uncommon for westerners when in it comes to this gender issues nonsense.

Modifié par Ypiret, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:03 .

[Gust4v]

Lokiwithrope wrote...
Markswoman doesn't roll off the tongue as easily.

Really, that's a bad excuse. They could always use a different name if they don't like it.

Modifié par Gust4v, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:06 .

[Uberschveinen]

ysucae wrote...

I'm so sorry for you, Rebel_Raven.
BSN's not the place for progressive thinking and generally not having a dick.

Nobody gives a french fry that the dude's a woman. If she is, because you're allowed to participate in these debates without being one. It's irrelevant in any case.

I don't care for her arguments, not because they are made by a woman, and not because they waht to chaneg things, but because they are for the most part vitriol laced with the occasional piece of reason. No amount of verbal aggression can ever compensate for a lack of basic persuasiveness.

Right now, studies show that 48% of gamers are female. We play hardcore game, we are demanding representation, and people still use the old "but women aren't in the military" or "they are not strong enough" or even the "but you have those 15* characters already! don't you have enough!??!?!!11!!" tripe that I've seen since I began asking for games with female in it at 6 years old.

In the Western world, the male is the default gender in language, and the presumed gender when none is specified. That's not good or bad; it just is. Someone had to be it, after all; there's no nongender. but what that means is that when something is female, it is because the female-ness of it is usually to prove a point. When you use female-ness to prove a point, you're making it worse. Discrimination is inherent to distinction, and distinction can only exist when it is fuelled. When people stop caring about distinction, the problems start to fade properly. Otherwise you get at best a cold war of language, and at worst provoke open hostility.

And, yes, it is your own fault that you do not get a coherent debate when you use hostile or inflammatory language. If you are going to scorn those who disagree with you for the febrility of their arguments, it looks very bad for you to use those same tactics. There are more than enough incoherent shouting people in this thread that to prove your point, all you'd have to do is calm down. Why can't you? It would make for a better dialogue, and suit your arguments.

IT'S FRIGGIN SCI-FI. Can't we hope for a less biased and inexplicably sexist future where there's an equal number of female and colored person? JFC.

It's speculative fiction. Why can't an author speculate about a future that is not inexplicably politically correct?

There are arguments to be made against low representation of female soldiers in this game. Some of them are good. Attacking speculative fiction for speculating in a way you dislike is not one of them. Surely you have better arguments than "it's possible for the future to meet my ideology, therefore it is obliged to"?

[ysucae]

Rudest wrote...

Awww. Nothing from ysucae either. Pity! Not a good night for intelligent debate! I'm always late to the good parties damn it!

excuse me?


I am not here to inform you. But here, first result google gives me:
http://en.wikipedia....and_video_games
(I was off on my quote by 8%, and I apologize for that. I still stand by my statements)

other interesting read:
http://www.digra.org/dl/db/05164.00312
and anything quoted in the wiki.

goggle it, educate yourself, then we can have a debate. thank you.

[khannoir]

I know the coding would have been extensive (not prohibitively so though) , but why wasn't most of the classes created in such a form that you could choose between male and female(Salarians and Assari exempt for Lore and Obvious reasons to maintain balance)? The exemplar of Mass Effect comes in Maleshep and Femshep, so why not the MP classes? And if we can have Volus (which I support 100% btw) don't tell me there aren't women who wont pick up a shotgun and an SMG and go to town against the threat...

[Chi_Mangetsu]

Rudest wrote...

I however... Do not feel that female gamers are being short-changed in any way what so ever when it comes to ME3. No offense, but women have this..innate sense of entitlement. Very territorial creatures. I'm not against female gamers---I'm just against their constant demands for us to acclimate every video game that they touch specifically for them, to the point of having the creative process infringed upon to make simple selfish changes that appeal to a minority of extreme female gamers.

lol k

[ysucae]

Uberschveinen wrote...

In the Western world, the male is the default gender in language, and the presumed gender when none is specified. That's not good or bad; it just is. Someone had to be it, after all; there's no nongender. but what that means is that when something is female, it is because the female-ness of it is usually to prove a point. When you use female-ness to prove a point, you're making it worse. Discrimination is inherent to distinction, and distinction can only exist when it is fuelled. When people stop caring about distinction, the problems start to fade properly. Otherwise you get at best a cold war of language, and at worst provoke open hostility.

And, yes, it is your own fault that you do not get a coherent debate when you use hostile or inflammatory language. If you are going to scorn those who disagree with you for the febrility of their arguments, it looks very bad for you to use those same tactics. There are more than enough incoherent shouting people in this thread that to prove your point, all you'd have to do is calm down. Why can't you? It would make for a better dialogue, and suit your arguments.

IT'S FRIGGIN SCI-FI. Can't we hope for a less biased and inexplicably sexist future where there's an equal number of female and colored person? JFC.

It's speculative fiction. Why can't an author speculate about a future that is not inexplicably politically correct?

There are arguments to be made against low representation of female soldiers in this game. Some of them are good. Attacking speculative fiction for speculating in a way you dislike is not one of them. Surely you have better arguments than "it's possible for the future to meet my ideology, therefore it is obliged to"?

I wasn't talking to you.

Male is the "default" gender because of thousand and thousand of years of male domination and patriarchy. Same thing with being white. Same thing with speculative fiction even if this fiction states there are no inherent downsides to being female in the future. Turians, for example, have no history of sexism whatsoever. Yet it's 100% sausage fest. Salarians female are supposed to be rare but we see them.
Also very annoying point: no females "because it's realism" or no females "because it's fiction"? Hm.

Discrimination is about control, not distinction. There are male are there are female, there are gays, there are POC. Systematic discrimination becomes oppression. Racism. Sexism. Ageism.

Distinction and respect leads to acceptance. Accept we have different points of views and that neither of us will change our mind, and move on. 

[Chi_Mangetsu]

Gust4v wrote...

Lokiwithrope wrote...
Markswoman doesn't roll off the tongue as easily.

Really, that's a bad excuse. They could always use a different name if they don't like it.

To quote the late, great George Carlin, "They don't call them personhole covers." And for crap's sake, Ashley has the gorram power MARKSMAN as a potential bonus power. Some people...

[Rudest]

I'm just sort of offended that you didn't slow down and absorb what I had to say, but rather took everything in a negative context, or completely disregarded it, but then had the audacity to write it off in such an arrogant dismissive fashion, and then directly compare what I had to say to slavery, which is not only out of context...It's just plain wrong.

My education, is experience. I don't need to go delving for information on something I already lived. As an adult, that is all I need. My best friend is a female gamer, and she is wonderful. I've experienced both the best and worst of what female gamers have to offer:

The Good: Women who genuinely love the culture. Love gaming. Who have sensible believable qualms. Wanting a few extra female avatars and representations in a multiplayer game? That is reasonable. Wanting to impact creativity in a positive light. Women who act in defense and out of love for gaming and their fellow gamer. Who embrace story, art, and just... Gaming. Simple as that!

The Bad: Women looking for a fight that isn't there, trying to superimpose their way as the right way, play queen bee, and control and dominate until the climate is completely their own, trying to fill disparities that don't exist, impact creative control in a negative biased light, seek attention. Run around screaming "IM A GIRL GAMER LOOK AT ME!" ....Gaming is not about personal control, or dominating your peers. It's about art. Creativity. And fun. Gaming is play.

Modifié par Rudest, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:36 .

[Uberschveinen]

ysucae wrote...

I wasn't talking to you.

Male is the "default" gender because of thousand and thousand of years of male domination and patriarchy. Same thing with being white. Same thing with speculative fiction even if this fiction states there are no inherent downsides to being female in the future. Turians, for example, have no history of sexism whatsoever. Yet it's 100% sausage fest. Salarians female are supposed to be rare but we see them.
Also very annoying point: no females "because it's realism" or no females "because it's fiction"? Hm.

Discrimination is about control, not distinction. There are male are there are female, there are gays, there are POC. Systematic discrimination becomes oppression. Racism. Sexism. Ageism.

Distinction and respect leads to acceptance. Accept we have different points of views and that neither of us will change our mind, and move on. 

Turians have no visible sexual dimorphism. You're seeing them all the time. You just choose to believe they're male. Presumably because they 'aren't female enough' for your overt need to prove your existence.

No females 'because it's verisimilitude'. Realism within the fiction. Internal consistency. Unless the in-universe discrimination is artificially induced from the out-universe writers specifically to communicate some ideal, there is no and can be no moral judgment made of it.

There should be female human soldiers, because humans have all sorts on their special forces. There are.

There should be female Turian soldiers, likewise. Likewise, there probably are. Just because you choose to interpret no evidence of gender as evidence of male gender doesn;t make that assumption accurate. My TGI is female.

There should be Quarian females, because they fight regularly, and their species has human-comparable social roles and sexual dimorphism for females. There are.

There should be no Salarian or Krogan females, because their societies value them too highly. Men are soldiers in the real world first and foremost because they are far more expendable than women, biologically speaking, and this has had drastic influences on our culture's role of genders. how muc hmore so in a species wit ha ten to one ratio, or one in which a thousand years of tradition and necessity has said 'protect the fertile females', and suddenly all females are fertile (or believe they are).

We don't know if there should be Drell females. Maybe there ARE drell females and they also have near-nil sexual dimorphism. Maybe there are no Drell females, and when Drell marry one becomes a 'female', vaguely like some aquatic species. Likewise for the Vorcha.

Asari and Geth don't even have females.

And hell with the Volus.

Every species within the setting that should have females in combat roles at the highest levels, that being where the multiplayer is, has them. So what is the problem, if not an arbitrary complaint about speculative fiction speculating in a way you don't like?

[Ypiret]

Rudest wrote...

I'm just sort of offended that you didn't slow down and absorb what I had to say, but rather took everything in a negative context, or completely disregarded it, but then had the audacity to write it off in such an arrogant dismissive fashion, and then directly compare what I had to say to slavery, which is not only out of context...It's just plain wrong.

My education, is experience. I don't need to go delving for information on something I already lived. As an adult, that is all I need. My best friend is a female gamer, and she is wonderful. I've experienced both the best and worst of what female gamers have to offer:

The Good: Women who genuinely love the culture. Love gaming. Who have sensible believable qualms. Wanting a few extra female avatars and representations in a multiplayer game? That is reasonable. Wanting to impact creativity in a positive light. Women who act in defense and out of love for gaming and their fellow gamer. Who embrace story, art, and just... Gaming. Simple as that!

The Bad: Women looking for a fight that isn't there, trying to superimpose their way as the right way, play queen bee, and control and dominate until the climate is completely their own, trying to fill disparities that don't exist, impact creative control in a negative biased light, seek attention. Run around screaming "IM A GIRL GAMER LOOK AT ME!" ....Gaming is not about personal control, or dominating your peers.

I wish there was a rate system on the forums.

I'd thump this up.

[Uberschveinen]

Rudest wrote...

I'm just sort of offended that you didn't slow down and absorb what I had to say, but rather took everything in a negative context, or completely disregarded it, but then had the audacity to write it off in such an arrogant dismissive fashion, and then directly compare what I had to say to slavery, which is not only out of context...It's just plain wrong.

My education, is experience. I don't need to go delving for information on something I already lived. As an adult, that is all I need. My best friend is a female gamer, and she is wonderful. I've experienced both the best and worst of what female gamers have to offer:

The Good: Women who genuinely love the culture. Love gaming. Who have sensible believable qualms. Wanting a few extra female avatars and representations in a multiplayer game? That is reasonable. Wanting to impact creativity in a positive light. Women who act in defense and out of love for gaming and their fellow gamer. Who embrace story, art, and just... Gaming. Simple as that!

The Bad: Women looking for a fight that isn't there, trying to superimpose their way as the right way, play queen bee, and control and dominate until the climate is completely their own, trying to fill disparities that don't exist, impact creative control in a negative biased light, seek attention. Run around screaming "IM A GIRL GAMER LOOK AT ME!" ....Gaming is not about personal control, or dominating your peers.

If I may paraphrase:

Gamers who are girls are good. Girl Gamers are bad.

[ysucae]

Rudest wrote...

I'm just sort of offended that you didn't slow down and absorb what I had to say, but rather took everything in a negative context, or completely disregarded it, but then had the audacity to write it off in such an arrogant dismissive fashion, and then directly compare what I had to say to slavery, which is not only out of context...It's just plain wrong.

My education, is experience. I don't need to go delving for information on something I already lived. As an adult, that is all I need. My best friend is a female gamer, and she is wonderful. I've experienced both the best and worst of what female gamers have to offer:

The Good: Women who genuinely love the culture. Love gaming. Who have sensible believable qualms. Wanting a few extra female avatars and representations in a multiplayer game? That is reasonable. Wanting to impact creativity in a positive light. Women who act in defense and out of love for gaming and their fellow gamer. Who embrace story, art, and just... Gaming. Simple as that!

The Bad: Women looking for a fight that isn't there, trying to superimpose their way as the right way, play queen bee, and control and dominate until the climate is completely their own, trying to fill disparities that don't exist, impact creative control in a negative biased light, seek attention. Run around screaming "IM A GIRL GAMER LOOK AT ME!" ....Gaming is not about personal control, or dominating your peers.

I said I didn't want to argue. I accept that you have a different opinion. I also accept that I can come off a bit rude but you did take a post adressed to another person and made it an argument. Thank you for not pushing it further.

I re-read what I said and it wasn't my intention of comparing gamer culture to solely slavery. I used that phrase as in a broader sense - when female were also properties, as were children and poc, and just about everything you could lay your eyes upon. It is a gross exageration comparing the fact that attributing discrimination to "culture" is just as ridiculous as that same excuse was at the time. It could have come off better. I am sorry if I offended you.

Having a female friend gamer does not count as an argument. Please do not use her that way.

For the rest, I don't care.

Modifié par ysucae, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:41 .

[ParatrooperSean]

Zkyire wrote...

You want to play a woman? There are plenty of female characters in MP.

Human Adept (Female).
Human Soldier (Female).
Human Engineer (Female).
Human Sentinel (Female).
Human Infiltrator (Female).
Human Vanguard (Female).
Human Shadow (Female).
Human Fury (Female).
Human Demolisher (Female).
Quarian Engineer (Female).
Quarian Infiltrator (Female).
Asari Adept (Female).
Asari Justicar (Female).
Asari Sentinel (Female).
Asari Vanguard (Female).

Women are soooo underrepresented in Mass Effect.


...oh wait. Pointless complaining is pointless.

Just opened the thread for the first time. Found this one page 1.

It seriously should have ended it, but it didn't.

[sandboxgod]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

Hey guys i never saw a female turian in single player. Same for salarians. I've played all 3 mass effect campaigns too. Perhaps you guys ave seen them? I wonder if there are girl turians (silly I know they must exist but find it odd)

Salarian women are astoundingly similar to males in appearance. Delatrass whazzername who wanted you to botch the genophage cure at the least, I'm sure was female.

I think the salarian women are hard to miss.

Turians? Whole diffirent matter. Never seen one in game. In comics, fan art, sure, but none were really made by bioware. Never heard one either. Curiousity abounds! Rawr!

Ah right I forgot bout that haha thanks 

[Screenbetween]

We need more male characters, too many females as it is..

[Rudest]

ysucae wrote...

I said I didn't want to argue. I accept that you have a different opinion. I also accept that I can come off a bit rude but you did take a post adressed to another person and made it an argument. Thank you for not pushing it further.

I re-read what I said and it wasn't my intention of comparing gamer culture to solely slavery. I used that phrase as in a broader sense - when female were also properties, as were children and poc, and just about everything you could lay your eyes upon. It is a gross exageration comparing the fact that attributing discrimination to "culture" is just as ridiculous as that same excuse was at the time. It could have come off better. I am sorry if I offended you.

Having a female friend gamer does not count as an argument. Please do not use her that way.

For the rest, I don't care.

I'm not going to step into a twilight book club, and shout "...Well you know, I like Edward and all.. But I feel like that it's male-sploitation, and good ol' Ed should have more muscle mass, less sparkles, and act more like a predator and a beast--like a true vampire--a monster that drinks human blood for sustenance. A powerful,seductive, evil entity...Love has no place here. His primary concern should be blood. It should be his sex. His adrenaline. His cocaine. His everything. Bella needs a bigger rack, and oh! more explosions.." .... Seriously. Because I would not stop until Twilight had become Vampire: The Masquerade. But I wouldn't do that. Because Twilight is not directed towards my demographic, it's not marketed towards me, it's not built by me or for me. Does that make me angry? No. Do I try to fight it? No.

I can relate to the rude sentinment. My screen-name is more a reference a song by a Jrock band that I enjoy, but can sometimes serve as a fair warning. When I disagree, I tend to do so strongly.  I am a passionate individual. I understand if you want to stop here. I don't mind, and won't think any less of you nor persue afromentioned confrontation.

I accept your apology, and will apologize myself for drawing you into an arguement you did not want.

Modifié par Rudest, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:56 .

[ysucae]

Uberschveinen wrote...

ysucae wrote...

I wasn't talking to you.

Male is the "default" gender because of thousand and thousand of years of male domination and patriarchy. Same thing with being white. Same thing with speculative fiction even if this fiction states there are no inherent downsides to being female in the future. Turians, for example, have no history of sexism whatsoever. Yet it's 100% sausage fest. Salarians female are supposed to be rare but we see them.
Also very annoying point: no females "because it's realism" or no females "because it's fiction"? Hm.

Discrimination is about control, not distinction. There are male are there are female, there are gays, there are POC. Systematic discrimination becomes oppression. Racism. Sexism. Ageism.

Distinction and respect leads to acceptance. Accept we have different points of views and that neither of us will change our mind, and move on. 

Turians have no visible sexual dimorphism. You're seeing them all the time. You just choose to believe they're male. Presumably because they 'aren't female enough' for your overt need to prove your existence.

No females 'because it's verisimilitude'. Realism within the fiction. Internal consistency. Unless the in-universe discrimination is artificially induced from the out-universe writers specifically to communicate some ideal, there is no and can be no moral judgment made of it.

There should be female human soldiers, because humans have all sorts on their special forces. There are.

There should be female Turian soldiers, likewise. Likewise, there probably are. Just because you choose to interpret no evidence of gender as evidence of male gender doesn;t make that assumption accurate. My TGI is female.

There should be Quarian females, because they fight regularly, and their species has human-comparable social roles and sexual dimorphism for females. There are.

There should be no Salarian or Krogan females, because their societies value them too highly. Men are soldiers in the real world first and foremost because they are far more expendable than women, biologically speaking, and this has had drastic influences on our culture's role of genders. how muc hmore so in a species wit ha ten to one ratio, or one in which a thousand years of tradition and necessity has said 'protect the fertile females', and suddenly all females are fertile (or believe they are).

We don't know if there should be Drell females. Maybe there ARE drell females and they also have near-nil sexual dimorphism. Maybe there are no Drell females, and when Drell marry one becomes a 'female', vaguely like some aquatic species. Likewise for the Vorcha.

Asari and Geth don't even have females.

And hell with the Volus.

Every species within the setting that should have females in combat roles at the highest levels, that being where the multiplayer is, has them. So what is the problem, if not an arbitrary complaint about speculative fiction speculating in a way you don't like?

I was just stating my opinion. FYI, every armored turian is a female turian. I just wish I wouldn't have to headcanon the crap out of it all the time. That's it.

The fact that I've read and seen behind the scene facts about the design of Mass Effect gives me that insight: they didn't wanted to model and create female aliens because 'lipstick and boobs doesn't fit'. I wish I was joking. 

If there are volus fighting, there should be salarian and krogan females fighting. It's not like the destruction of every living species is at stake.

The problem with non-dimorphism theory is that most of the people in the games identifies as male. And maybe the difference isn't noticeable, but the fact that not one of those clearly identified as a female is telling. I'm not saying everyone should clearly states so, but just a vorcha calling another similar vorcha a "she" in an idle convo would do wonders for the lore and the dept of the world.

Asari are an all-female race catering to the male audience. Says so in the artbook. I like them anyway.

Geths are awesome.

I agree on the volus.

I have played and seen enought sci-fi to be fed up with the male power trip status-quo and just want some changes. (and I do create and instigate that change myself) The ratio is not fair and is easily fixable but BW doesn't do it. The inclusion of female characters is easy and simple but BW does not do it. That is all I will say.

Don't call me a girl gamer. Call me a woman who loves games and their design.

[Rebel_Raven]

ysucae wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

Hey guys i never saw a female turian in single player. Same for salarians. I've played all 3 mass effect campaigns too. Perhaps you guys ave seen them? I wonder if there are girl turians (silly I know they must exist but find it odd)

Salarian women are astoundingly similar to males in appearance. Delatrass whazzername who wanted you to botch the genophage cure at the least, I'm sure was female.

I think the salarian women are hard to miss.

Turians? Whole diffirent matter. Never seen one in game. In comics, fan art, sure, but none were really made by bioware. Never heard one either. Curiousity abounds! Rawr!

The salarian councilor is female if you let the old one die in ME1, for god's sake.

Turian in armor = female turian. It is now known. /headcanon

Ah but I didn't let them die! But yeah, I get your point. They exist, they're prominent. I'm not the one debating the presence of female salarians.

Until I see "Female Turian" in any of the character names, they're all guys! raaarr!

Ypiret wrote...
Oh, no

I don't hate you at all. I think you have good intentions; they're just misguided, unreasonable, and probably hypocritical. Which isn't uncommon for westerners when in it comes to this gender issues nonsense.

What's the unreasonable part?
What's misguided? o.O
That bit confuses me.

Yeah, I have a bit of hypocracy in me. I don't deny it. I'm not perfect.
I think that's universal among the human race, though.

Westerns do seem rather uptight on the subject... Wait, how the heck do you know i'm a westerner? 

Uberschveinen wrote...

IT'S FRIGGIN SCI-FI. Can't we hope for a less biased and inexplicably sexist future where there's an equal number of female and colored person? JFC.

It's speculative fiction. Why can't an author speculate about a future that is not inexplicably politically correct?

There are arguments to be made against low representation of female soldiers in this game. Some of them are good. Attacking speculative fiction for speculating in a way you dislike is not one of them. Surely you have better arguments than "it's possible for the future to meet my ideology, therefore it is obliged to"?

This bit caught my attention.

I think it's pretty widely accepted that my view of it being a more gender sensitive future isn't mine, and mine alone. o.O
Mass Effect was, and is one of the most progressive games ever! Certainly one of the most memorable. It was designed to be that way.
There's no "glitch" involved when your Femshep in a relationship with Liara, Traynor, Chambers, Allers Samara,, or Morinth.
Nor is it a glitch when your manshep gets it on with Steve Cortez, or Kaiden. I'll grant you the latter options was quite a long time coming, though. o.O

A Dev stated that the nature of the game is to unite the galaxy against a common threat, to paraphrase. I'd like to think that includes gender, and that it's not a far stretch to assume that all genders would be included when enlistement happens to go to battle.

If you were a recruiter, and a, what 400lbs - 1 ton, mighty female Krogan walked up, slammed a claymore onto your desk, leaned in -real- close, looked you dead in the eyes, and wanted to sign up, would -you- say no?

I don't think they'd take "no" for an answer. Not even from another Krogan.

Luckily Turians don't have that problem. Lore states they get to go to any sorta combat they want, male or female.

I think if you wanna use the fictional world defense with mass effect, I think you're not gunna win that one.
Maybe if it were Modern Warfare, or Call of Duty, but Mass Effect? A virtual flagship for being one of the toughest women in the galaxy, and it not feeling out of place?

There's little "speculation" in this, IMO.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:06 .

[ysucae]

Rudest wrote...

Twilight

Thank you.


(Twilight is not a systematic discrimination of a gender for centuries etc etc okay forget it I shut up xD )
You should totally burn those books. It's degrading to men, women, and basically the whole human race. xDD

Modifié par ysucae, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:01 .

[Rudest]

Twilgiht is the worst thing to have ever happened to vampire fiction---and the word Twlight, which itself was markedly cool before that series.

Asari can be pretty deep though! Several underlying references to a hidden greater universal combined consciousness. I think Asari have a lesser known influence by someone experienced with psychedelic drugs or at least someone who is exploring his own consciousness.

I like women in games to have depth. Take femshep for example. She's strong, her voice actor sells her passion in a wide variety of range. I like her much more than the male Shepard. Male Shepard? The man's like a breadstick. He's got no rhythm. I like female roles that grow and evolve like Liara. I don't like seeing big-titted-bimbo types----Even they have their place mind you, but when a game is that and nothing but that, It's annoying. It's just not what I'm attracted to. I like female characters to be characters. In this culture though, there will be sex appeal for the sake of sex appeal! That's just true for America in general.

I mean. There is a place for the feminism you know? Just make sure you don't step on to many toes with it. There is a thin line between fighting for your beliefs and excessive extremism! hehe.

Change cannot be positive when it is afflicted on others!

Modifié par Rudest, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:15 .

[Descy_]

So now that the conversation went to Twilight....

How about that Hitler?

[Broganisity]

Rebel_Raven wrote...



If you were a recruiter, and a, what 400lbs - 1 ton, mighty female Krogan walked up, slammed a claymore onto your desk, leaned in -real- close, looked you dead in the eyes, and wanted to sign up, would -you- say no?

I don't think they'd take "no" for an answer. Not even from another Krogan.

...

I think if you wanna use the fictional world defense with mass effect, I think you're not gunna win that one.
Maybe if it were Modern Warfare, or Call of Duty, but Mass Effect? A virtual flagship for being one of the toughest women in the galaxy, and it not feeling out of place?

/agree, mostly

The Female Krogan do fight, devise tactics, and lead. I won't use the done-to-death Eve example because, well- it was done to death...Just like with what Mordin did with her (without the Maelon's data.)! We've known this since Mass Effect Two. Female Clan Leaders and all that.

We then learn (again from Wrex) that the infertile female krogan came up with the plan of running out into the wastes to lure the Reapers away from the fertile females..

While personally I think they would work in multiplayer (and actually provide a legitimate female tank class.), at the same time though I sincerely doubt the now fertile (or are they, Salarian-Lovers?) Female Krogan are going to line up to join a ragtag group of mercenaries, wannabe heroes and N7 Rejects. If anything they'd mix and mingle with the Krogan forces on Tuchanka to kick the Reapers off...and maybe pop a few litters out in the process. (I have a feeling saying that is going to get me a hailstorm of hate, but...life's funny that way. )

But really: the lack of variety amongst the female classes is off-putting. They are all largely in support/distant roles, with the vague exceptions of the Fury and Shadow, neither of them truly filling a 'CQC/Tank' role. The females that do are carbon copies (or vice versa, take your pick.) of their male equivalents, so its not exactly varied.

But now I feel like I"m just repeating my other post. So...yeah. In short: I feel the question of female characters in regard to Mass Effect Multiplayer is not the amount, but the variety.

Modifié par Broganisity, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .

[ParatrooperSean]

Jiovanie- wrote...

I was hoping for more female characters to. I don't know what it is. Despite being a guy, I like running around with my N7 Shadow fcking **** up everywhere I go. I mean three of my favorite chars are in fact, female. Shadow, Demolisher, FQI, you know they're some other kind of awesome. I don't want a male Demolisher nor a male Shadow. IT wouldn't feel the same. I do kind of think that the Ghost Turian should have been a female. I'd have loved that. More girl power! More guy power! Even throw in some hermaphrodite power!

Frankly I'm indifferent to the gender of the class I'm playing. I actually think it would be cool to have a male shadow striking ninja to choose from, another Kai Leng if you will. But I'm just as content to have a female version.

People are reading way, way too much into the female Turian thing.