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[Javo2357]

OP, for what it's worth, I hope you do continue playing later on...

I just personally don't quite understand your frustration. I love the multiplayer and I do feel like BW has introduced quite a bit of female characters especially when compared to other games. Playing as a specific gender doesn't really matter to me much I guess, but then again, I'm not in your shoes.

[silencekills]

After reading all that....ok?

I'm just gonna go back to not caring what my in-game peeps looks like. 

[Iron Spetsnaz]

ProjectGemini07 wrote...

I'm basically on board with this rant. The time and resources devoted to developing the whoopie cushion practical joke that is the Volus could've been devoted to giving us some more female kits.

I think Bioware simply made an unfortunate design decision here. Alienating hardcore fans like Rebel Raven so that you could feed the clamoring masses their Volus...

Personally, I would rather have had More Salarians, because guess what, Salarians are less represented than Female characters.

On the subject, I couldn't care less about the number of male or female Characters because I play for one simple thing,

Modifié par Iron Spetsnaz, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:08 .

[mr_scary_wasp]

The endings sucked tragically. Simply changing the crucible to a massive network wide emp targeted at reaper shields would have been better.

On topic, I can understand your frustration and anger (i don't know it as I'm male) but I would seriously advise against it as it is bad for your health, physically and mentally. It is better to see the good than the bad.

Look at it this way, how many games actually let you actively choose a female option? Not many. How many of those allows you to choose a female option that doesn't wear a steel bikini and pretend it does wonders against weapon based attacks?

Mass Effect is more than just the multiplayer. Yes it is disappointing that there are no female characters basically outside of a few humans but there is still a possibility that Bioware may introduce them (turian and drell are likely, lore wise I'm not sure how well salarians fit but it's not too outlandish). The RPer in me doesn't want to see female krogans (too few to risk in open warfare) but the gamer wants a shaman.

Finally, the industry, as with life, is still male dominated and orientated. And hell most people think games are still for kids (yeah, the same kids now just 30 years old!). Things will improve with time and the gaming industry seems to be one of the quicker to respond. However until the proportion of serious/hardcore/spend lots of money gamers balances out, the status quo will remain.

Therefore, while most "gamers" are female, they need to stop playing FarmVille and start playing proper games...like Mass Effect

Modifié par mr_scary_wasp, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:10 .

[Immortal fish]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

BlazingShrapnel wrote...

duffpastorius wrote...

That time of the month^

That was seriously uncalled for, dude. Grow up.

On topic, I seriously did want Turian ladies. They're my favorite race, and they make sense lore wise. I would say the laziness is acceptable due to the Collectors being added, but this and the lack of new powers(outside of volus and turians) is sort of disappointing.

No, it's not acceptable any more. Female Krogan models exist in game, and no doubt the new quarian is the male model only.

They could've just reshaped the turian helmet, and added a synthed female voice, and I would've gladly accepted her as a female turian. It would've been really refreshing.

They have the resources to add women just like they tossed in a few Asari. The problem is they didn't use it.

I'm done making excuses for them, and doen taking their excuses. They're just like allll the other game companies these days. I can't expalin why earth was balanced. It's like some fluke.

I agree with you that it's a shame Bioware haven't made a more gender balanced mix of characters for multi-player. Female Turian would have been awesome even with helmets on.

Honestly the fact that in the single-player part of mass effect we've only met females for Salarians, Krogan, Quarians, Human and Asari is kind of ridiculous. Only having 3 races playable as female in multiplayer isn't great either.

Both female Salrians and Krogan would be great in multiplayer, the only reason i've ever heard against it is the rather pathetic "no one finds female krogan/salarians attractive/wants to stare at their rear while playing".

[duffpastorius]

BlazingShrapnel wrote...

duffpastorius wrote...

That time of the month^

That was seriously uncalled for, dude. Grow up.

On topic, I seriously did want Turian ladies. They're my favorite race, and they make sense lore wise. I would say the laziness is acceptable due to the Collectors being added, but this and the lack of new powers(outside of volus and turians) is sort of disappointing.

Stop trying to look like a hero in front of a girl. It's called a joke and besides why do you care?

[Momiji.mii]

I feel with you, OP. I also wanted female Turians. All new classes vere visible when I first downloaded the DLC earlier today, and I was holding out hope that the Turians wouldn't be all dudes until finding this topic.

To those that don't understand why we're sad, I want to point out that many of us have been pleased with the gender balance so far, and Earth DLC made me extremely hopeful for the future DLC, but with what looks like only 2 new female characters out of 16 now, I'm not feeling very hopeful at all anymore. All the classes are probably fun to play, I just really wanted female Turians. 

Modifié par Momiji.mii, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:22 .

[AresKeith]

@mr_scary_wasp I think thats part of the problem, they keep appealling to another crowd of fans.

I kinda understand the want for more female characters to make it equal and more fun for her.

Also, I can see a Female Krogan playing as an Adept. Eve from the singleplayer showed that they can fight if needed. And the model could be a reskin of Eve with armor plates around her

[Rebel_Raven]

AresKeith wrote...

@mr_scary_wasp I think thats part of the problem, they keep appealling to another crowd of fans.

I kinda understand the want for more female characters to make it equal and more fun for her.

Also, I can see a Female Krogan playing as an Adept. Eve from the singleplayer showed that they can fight if needed. And the model could be a reskin of Eve with armor plates around her

Bah! They don't even need to add armor to Eve's model! It's not like armor's a pre-requisite. Fury, and Vorcha at the least show that.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:22 .

[Marauder-Shields]

Zkyire wrote...

You want to play a woman? There are plenty of female characters in MP.

Human Adept (Female).
Human Soldier (Female).
Human Engineer (Female).
Human Sentinel (Female).
Human Infiltrator (Female).
Human Vanguard (Female).
Human Shadow (Female).
Human Fury (Female).
Human Demolisher (Female).
Quarian Engineer (Female).
Quarian Infiltrator (Female).
Asari Adept (Female).
Asari Justicar (Female).
Asari Sentinel (Female).
Asari Vanguard (Female).

Women are soooo underrepresented in Mass Effect.

You forgot how much better Femshep was VA'ed and written for...

I don't see the lack of a Turian female to be indicative of some gross sexism, and to rant about it is just plain silly. Don't lump the ending in with some perceived injustice of gender roles when a lot of the arguably best classes are either female or cloacal. 

[ProjectGemini07]

duffpastorius wrote...

BlazingShrapnel wrote...

duffpastorius wrote...

That time of the month^

That was seriously uncalled for, dude. Grow up.

On topic, I seriously did want Turian ladies. They're my favorite race, and they make sense lore wise. I would say the laziness is acceptable due to the Collectors being added, but this and the lack of new powers(outside of volus and turians) is sort of disappointing.

Stop trying to look like a hero in front of a girl. It's called a joke and besides why do you care?

You got called out for engaging in boorish behaviour.  It was a fair cop.  Try and do better.

[AresKeith]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@mr_scary_wasp I think thats part of the problem, they keep appealling to another crowd of fans.

I kinda understand the want for more female characters to make it equal and more fun for her.

Also, I can see a Female Krogan playing as an Adept. Eve from the singleplayer showed that they can fight if needed. And the model could be a reskin of Eve with armor plates around her

Bah! They don't even need to add armor to Eve's model! It's not like armor's a pre-requisite. Fury, and Vorcha at the least show that.

Yea, but the reason I said that is because her Robe looks like it would hard for them to run. So reskin and altering the robe might be best

[Rebel_Raven]

Marauder-Shields wrote...
You forgot how much better Femshep was VA'ed and written for...

I don't see the lack of a Turian female to be indicative of some gross sexism, and to rant about it is just plain silly. Don't lump the ending in with some perceived injustice of gender roles when a lot of the arguably best classes are either female or cloacal. 

Sorry if I derailed my own thread and gave the impression this is -just- about female turians.

It really isn't. It's about female characters in general now.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:27 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Zkyire wrote...

You want to play a woman? There are plenty of female characters in MP.

Human Adept (Female).
Human Soldier (Female).
Human Engineer (Female).
Human Sentinel (Female).
Human Infiltrator (Female).
Human Vanguard (Female).
Human Shadow (Female).
Human Fury (Female).
Human Demolisher (Female).
Quarian Engineer (Female).
Quarian Infiltrator (Female).
Asari Adept (Female).
Asari Justicar (Female).
Asari Sentinel (Female).
Asari Vanguard (Female).

Women are soooo underrepresented in Mass Effect.


...oh wait. Pointless complaining is pointless.

For some reason I figure I'll challenge this.

You missed the fact that there's only one female soldier.

The Asari Sentinel isn't out yet, so there's still only one female sentinel. Even then, the ratio of female sentinels is gunna suck.

How about you think about the fact that there's no equivalent to the krogans, or destroyers. I.E. High shields, high weapons damage output (Since bioware is really pushing this, it seems since they're doing next to nothing to help out power throwing classes.), and characters that won't get oblitterated trying to melee without gambling so much every time.

Sure, there's the Fury, and the Shadow as the most melee/CQC but they're so much more fragile they have to be far far more careful about it.

And you do realize they just added -14- more guys? And only 2 more women? The representation is really really going to start sucking at this rate. I don't see it getting any better.

Seriously, 2 out of 16 characters? When there could've been at least 3, easily? C'mon, how is this not a sign of crappy times to come for those who wanna be a female in the game?

[N7 Whiskey]

Raven, I fully support more female kits for MP and would love to have female variants of all races, but it just wasn't in the cards THIS time. That said, your ranting on this topic only reinforces female stereotypes. You go girl!

[Rebel_Raven]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Raven, I fully support more female kits for MP and would love to have female variants of all races, but it just wasn't in the cards THIS time. That said, your ranting on this topic only reinforces female stereotypes. You go girl!

I get it, you want me to shut up on the matter, and just take what ever they give me, hm? <.<
Maybe fade away if I don't have anything nice to say?

I'd love to have positive thing to talk about! I just don't.

Ranting isn't exclusive to women. Sorry if it's stereotypically female.

And at least my rant wasn't a solid wall of text with no paragraphs of any sort, good or bad, right?

I can't help if I'm passionate about this matter. Especially when Bioware was a paragon of choice, and seeing the chance to have a choice fall, and fall hard is a really frustrating experience.

So, whatever. I ranted, it's out of my system. I'm just sad now, expecting more of the same bleak future of mass effect, and the retiring a game series I loved immensely.

I don't see it "in the cards" in the future. They're getting bolder, and bolder with excluding women. They utterly excluded them in a pack already. Earth was WONDERFUL despite the lack of a high defense CQC character, and now this?

Looking at the leaked power sets for the Asari I'm probably not going to bother trying to unlock them more than anything else the RNG offers.
So the boys win, huh? The DLC may have well been solid guys as opposed to just damn near. They sure got all the new abilities.
The 2 women, Asari who're women by default, and probably token, get a puzzling assortment of abilities. Especially after the extremely self reliant Fury appeared and shown an extreme potential for biotic explosions.

I'm sorry if my stereotypical anger offends you.

Javo2357 wrote...

OP, for what it's worth, I hope you do continue playing later on...

I just personally don't quite understand your frustration. I love the multiplayer and I do feel like BW has introduced quite a bit of female characters especially when compared to other games. Playing as a specific gender doesn't really matter to me much I guess, but then again, I'm not in your shoes.

Honestly, thinking about it, I don't know if, or when I'll come back to it. if I can get my mitts on something fresh, and new, or exotic from MEMP, it'll certianly bring me back, but that requires DLC, and that takes time.

Until then, I think I'm just gunna walk away from it.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 10 octobre 2012 - 01:23 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

You realize you're talking about a company who puts camel-toes on women whenever they get the chance.

[Rebel_Raven]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

You realize you're talking about a company who puts camel-toes on women whenever they get the chance.

And I still have no problem with that.

It's not like they haven't tried to mold the guys into heart throbs. Garrus? especially Garrus! Vega? Especially Vega. I mean come -on- he's a virtual paragon of manhood. Kai Leng might've been added for eye candy, too. Maybe even the illusive man getting dolled up to be more eye-candy?

I'd rather have them a little tarted up than not exist at all, honestly. And it's not like Ashley, and EDI are dressed like whazzernmame from X-blades, and the reboot of that game with extremely short shorts, and a bikini top.

Liara's hardly tarted up.

Dare I say, they're somewhat modest looking at women in videogames these days.

So what if they're in tight fitting outfits? They could have done much, much worse in terms of taste.

Sex sells.

[bchesson]

I can't find it now but I remember awhile back...I think before ME3 released there was an art developer blog that stated the reasons why they haven't had female Turians in game. I don't recall the exact stated reasons now but it's out there somewhere. Maybe someone can track it down.

[Pacifien]

If female representation is important to you in order to enjoy the game you play, think about why it is important to you. Think about why the lack of it somehow cheapens the experience for you. Then write the developers a letter explaining these feelings to them.

Then move on.

[Rebel_Raven]

mr_scary_wasp wrote...

The endings sucked tragically. Simply changing the crucible to a massive network wide emp targeted at reaper shields would have been better.

On topic, I can understand your frustration and anger (i don't know it as I'm male) but I would seriously advise against it as it is bad for your health, physically and mentally. It is better to see the good than the bad.

Look at it this way, how many games actually let you actively choose a female option? Not many. How many of those allows you to choose a female option that doesn't wear a steel bikini and pretend it does wonders against weapon based attacks?

Mass Effect is more than just the multiplayer. Yes it is disappointing that there are no female characters basically outside of a few humans but there is still a possibility that Bioware may introduce them (turian and drell are likely, lore wise I'm not sure how well salarians fit but it's not too outlandish). The RPer in me doesn't want to see female krogans (too few to risk in open warfare) but the gamer wants a shaman.

Finally, the industry, as with life, is still male dominated and orientated. And hell most people think games are still for kids (yeah, the same kids now just 30 years old!). Things will improve with time and the gaming industry seems to be one of the quicker to respond. However until the proportion of serious/hardcore/spend lots of money gamers balances out, the status quo will remain.

Therefore, while most "gamers" are female, they need to stop playing FarmVille and start playing proper games...like Mass Effect

I won't get into the endings discussion here. 'z not the place for it.

I respect your opinions on lore, but I don't agree on them.

Krogan Shaman? Sure. 'm not picky at this point.

As for the latter, honestly, I expected better out of Bioware than to cave. I really, and truly did expect better. If they change things in the future, wonderful, if not, I'm not going to be surprised.

[Deadlysyns]

Marauder-Shields wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

You want to play a woman? There are plenty of female characters in MP.

Human Adept (Female).
Human Soldier (Female).
Human Engineer (Female).
Human Sentinel (Female).
Human Infiltrator (Female).
Human Vanguard (Female).
Human Shadow (Female).
Human Fury (Female).
Human Demolisher (Female).
Quarian Engineer (Female).
Quarian Infiltrator (Female).
Asari Adept (Female).
Asari Justicar (Female).
Asari Sentinel (Female).
Asari Vanguard (Female).

Women are soooo underrepresented in Mass Effect.

You forgot how much better Femshep was VA'ed and written for...

I don't see the lack of a Turian female to be indicative of some gross sexism, and to rant about it is just plain silly. Don't lump the ending in with some perceived injustice of gender roles when a lot of the arguably best classes are either female or cloacal. 

also forgot Asari inflitrator with tact cloak warp and i think dark channel or afield 

[Rebel_Raven]

bchesson wrote...

I can't find it now but I remember awhile back...I think before ME3 released there was an art developer blog that stated the reasons why they haven't had female Turians in game. I don't recall the exact stated reasons now but it's out there somewhere. Maybe someone can track it down.

I saw it. They weren't sure of how to design a female turian.

If they asked me, I could say, oh, a lighter, still modulated voice, a helmet with a more downturned crest, and maybe a smaller height. Probably would've tided over a lot of people.

In detail? maybe a down turned crest, features like riverstones as opposed to sharp, and jagged. Similar facial structure. maybe a smaller frame. A lighter voice. maybe some actual feathers in the crest?
More work than the helmet option, but I think a lot of lore fans might've been happy.

It's not just a lack of female turians, it's a very noticeable lack of women in the DLC in general.

Pacifien wrote...

If female representation is important to you in order to enjoy the game you play, think about why it is important to you. Think about why the lack of it somehow cheapens the experience for you. Then write the developers a letter explaining these feelings to them.

Then move on.

Think about why it's important to me? Same reason a cool, awesome male protagonist is important to guys? Projection, immersion.

Videogames have been, and still are raising children, and shaping society, and being shaped by society.

Why does it cheapen the experience? Read above. Some lack of suspension of disbeleif that I'm some hulking albino man might have something to do with it, too. I mean it's kinda hard to ignore.

Write developers a letter? I think I kinda did with my rant. I got a PM earlier saying not to give up hope, and they have an NDA. Not that it comforts me at all in the face of this DLC, and the unknown time until the next DLC happens.

I got a similar PM when I expressed my worries earlier after the Phoenix/batarian/Geth DLC. Earth was a relief, but I shouldn't have lowered my guard, apparently.

[Cyonan]

I'm curious as to why they didn't include more female characters in this DLC. There's a number of things that, while people might have cried about it being "lazy"(this might come as a shock, but people will cry about them being lazy regardless of what they do), they could have done.

Give the Turian Havoc Soldier a female voice and bam, female Turian. It's already mentioned that female and male Turians can only really be told apart by the crest on the head, and our new Turians are all helmeted. This follows exactly what was told to us in the lore.

We've also seen female Salarians in SP, and they look just like the male ones except with a female voice. They could have done the same for the Salarians, which are now the only vanilla species without new characters.

They have a female model for Eve. They could put armour on her(or even just reskin her current clothes as it's Krogan. They're tough enough to handle going without armour) and throw in a female Krogan.

The second two may get lore arguments against it, but personally I feel like Volus bent the lore enough that female Krogan or Salarians wouldn't really be a big deal anymore.

As for the OP, I'm not sure if it's that you just prefer playing female(perfectly understandable) or that you just refuse to play male characters(this I wouldn't understand). If it's the second one, I would suggest giving them a shot regardless.

[ZiRK]

Jesus Christ this is worse than the CoD forums