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[Rebel_Raven]

Deadlysyns wrote...
also forgot Asari inflitrator with tact cloak warp and i think dark channel or afield 

Also overlooked the fact that there has NEVER been a new female soldier. Nevermind a compeditor to the destroyer, or krogans.
Not even sure there's a female compeditor to the Batarians, or the Turians.

I know there's no real competition for the vorcha.

A lot of them use recycled voices that are all so sterile, and professional. meanwhile we have the Krogan, and Vorcha who sound nothing like the rest of the guys, nevermind each other.

Male species certainly get the most attention in design, and assorted play styles.

*Shrugs*

[Cyonan]

Rebel_Raven wrote...
Also overlooked the fact that there has NEVER been a new female soldier. Nevermind a compeditor to the destroyer, or krogans.
Not even sure there's a female compeditor to the Batarians, or the Turians.

I know there's no real competition for the vorcha.

A lot of them use recycled voices that are all so sterile, and professional. meanwhile we have the Krogan, and Vorcha who sound nothing like the rest of the guys, nevermind each other.

Male species certainly get the most attention in design, and assorted play styles.

*Shrugs*

When you say competition, do you mean as in how they're tough, or in terms of how good they are?

Cause I'd say that the Human Female Soldier, along with her male counterpart, are one of the best Soldiers in the game right now.

I also don't see how you can say the males have more assorted play styles. They have more yes, but not more assorted.

[Pacifien]

Rebel_Raven wrote...
Think about why it's important to me?*snip*

Yeah, see, I'm going to stop you there and say that *I* don't care why it's important to you. Because I have my own feelings about why I play video games. And I know why my friends play video games, and some of their stories are quite touching. But what you find important in a video game doesn't much matter to me.

It does, however, matter to a developer. But all to often people say "I didn't like this," or "I want this," but they fail to tell a developer *why*. You can rant in anger, and maybe if you want the developer to play psychologist they can read between the lines and pick out where in your rant your points are being made. Or you can just say "Look, this is what I want and why I want it."

Projecting ulterior motive for why you're not getting what you want just doesn't come across as a productive method of feedback. If it is, if someone really is sending you PMs saying they've got your back, then I want that person to PM and answer me: why are you letting someone bully you into placating them?

[ToaOrka]

Turian Havoc's all man.

No girl could grunt that sexily.

[Apocalypse2656]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

No.

Tell us again, how angry that makes you.

Nah, I won't soapbox, rant, and tirade.

Ya know what? I take it back. I am going to vent.

Also, thanks for being a jerk about it.

It's just not healthy to hold it in, and I don't see the harm. It's not like people at bioware will read, or care about it. The only reason they would is if it got reported, and I swore up a storm, and broke several rules.

This thread will no doubt be on page 5 by tomorrow.

I could sum up my rant into 1 crass 2 word phrase that could get me banhammered, but I won't.

To those people who don't care, or wanna troll? Lets just get it out of the way, and say I don't care. You'll be lucky if I did more than skim your post.

To those small minded people that don't grasp the importance of being a female to me in a game, I tell ya what? Why don't you post when you've spent several decades with the majority of game protagonists FEMALE ONLY until the point you're sick of it. Having to scrape, and scrounge the console game market for a shooter where you can be your gender? Nevermind digging, and researching for a decent game where you don't have to be the other gender?

I'm goddamned disgusted at Bioware. Look how mass Effect 3 MP started! Genders were balanced, and they cared to keep it that way! There was a good amount of gender in every class. Hell, I was surprised to see a female soldier! God knows that those are onoxiously rare in the world of gaming!

Now? Thank you, Bioware for falling into the typical routine of other developers. Adding male character after male character.  Overlooking potential for more female soldiers. It's a small miracle you gave enough of a **** to make a female Sentinel.

2 Asari added at some unknown date? BIG DEAL! THERE'S 14 GUYS!! Way to tokenize the Asari!
Two is not enough! And I wager they're using recycled powers, appearances, and voices, too!
They'll no doubt under perform compared to the majority of the characters. Lack luster, and overlooked for a reason.

Thanks a -lot- for killing the spirit of mass effect where it didn't matter what your gender was. Men, and women could be soldiers, or infiltrators, or what have you, and one wasn't superior than the other.
It figures. I knew it'd come down to it. I got some false security out of Earth Pack, though not enough to absolve my distrust, thankfully.
In honestly I shouldn't have had any new faith in the company. Honestly, I shouldn't ever have faith in Bioware again. It's just going to get the rug pulled out from under it in the next DLC.

PROVE ME WRONG! I DARE YOU! PROVE IT! I triple dog dare you. <.<

But I really doubt you will. I don't care anymore. Unless the Asari are excruciatingly awesome, or to my surprise there's more women than those 2, I think I'll just stop playing, full stop.

You're snuffing out why I LOVED Mass Effect. You're breaking this gamer's heart.

If I wanted to play as a guy I'd play pretty much the any of the rest of the shooters to come out.
But the crazy as hell thing is, I DON'T WANT TO.

Don't you understand you had a niche in the gaming community covered in having playable women in a shooter? Of course not!  You might've pretended to give a damn in the beginning, but it's obvious I shouldn't have had faith in you lot.

So, what BS excuses do you have? Time? Money? Work? target audience? C'mon, give me the typical crap developers shovel out! WAY TO SELL OUT!

People wonder why I'm so cynical, bitter, and jaded towards the gaming world? Really? <.<

I have a novel idea, Bioware! Why don't you just go ahead and put the nail in the coffin of the series and just not add any more women to MP at all? Why are you bothering?
How much of that artistic integrity has MP lost? 

I KNOW! BEST IDEA EVAR!!! Cut women out of single player in ME4, too! Male Shep all the way! hurray! I KNOW! Let the new male shep be assorted alien species! ALL MALE!! Who cares about character creation for women? Mirror all the other game companies!

You may as well replace the Asari with Phoenix models, or I dunno, male Quarians. Ya know, the male quarians the HYPOCRATICAL BSN board clammored for, yet when people want female versions of alien species get snubbed?
Go ahead. pour more salt into the wounds! Cater to the mysogynistic boys out there! Hurray!

Why give us hope in seeing innovative female characters (ya know, adding more women in general at regular intervals? Not like anyone else has the balls to!) only to just show we shouldn't have any?

I'm done trying to defend Bioware until they give me a reason to defend them.

Speaking of rubbing salt into the wound, thanks a lot for giving SOOOO much to the weapon classes, and not a damn thing to the casters, apparently. Thank you, ever so much, for snubbing adding meaningful things to the vast majority of female characters in the game. I'd pretend I was surprised but after seeing the latest additions, it's just token offerings, and bones thrown.

I was honestly considering buying the Trilogy pack! I WAS REALLY WANTING IT! After migrating from 360 to PS3 with my mass effect I was kinda missing having the ME1 decisions in my story!

Right now, forget it. I don't care anymore. I thought I'd spend a few more dollars on the store, too! To hell with that!

If you're just going to fall into the habit of alienating me, and like minded individuals, you can go join the rest of the game companies I don't care about anymore.

Are you just joking or are you really that upset..?

[thesunshiner007]

I pretty much agree with this sentiment. Try to balance out the genders as best they can. I realize its difficult since most of the races have only shown males in game but there are females and they can use them. As suggested one of turians could be a slightly slimmer model (or the exact same one) and just have a female voice.

I'm kinda upset the new quarian is a male, especially since its been revealed that he's a soldier. Make it a female to help with the balance and now you've also got a second female soldier.

[d_nought]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

fact

Space magic and volus

Modifié par chipsandwich, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:47 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Cyonan wrote...

I'm curious as to why they didn't include more female characters in this DLC. There's a number of things that, while people might have cried about it being "lazy"(this might come as a shock, but people will cry about them being lazy regardless of what they do), they could have done.

Give the Turian Havoc Soldier a female voice and bam, female Turian. It's already mentioned that female and male Turians can only really be told apart by the crest on the head, and our new Turians are all helmeted. This follows exactly what was told to us in the lore.

We've also seen female Salarians in SP, and they look just like the male ones except with a female voice. They could have done the same for the Salarians, which are now the only vanilla species without new characters.

They have a female model for Eve. They could put armour on her(or even just reskin her current clothes as it's Krogan. They're tough enough to handle going without armour) and throw in a female Krogan.

The second two may get lore arguments against it, but personally I feel like Volus bent the lore enough that female Krogan or Salarians wouldn't really be a big deal anymore.

As for the OP, I'm not sure if it's that you just prefer playing female(perfectly understandable) or that you just refuse to play male characters(this I wouldn't understand). If it's the second one, I would suggest giving them a shot regardless.

I assure you that it's the former. It's a really strong preference that I be female.

Earth was balanced enough to keep me happy enough that I thought "Huh, I wonder how the other gender plays out?" (Largely because the guys were among the first characters I got) so I tested them out. Played a few matches. Specced to 20. gave them good paces. Well, except the slayer. I'm no solo artist, nor did I wanna saddle people with me getting the vanguard glitch.
Ended up wishing that they, like the first humans, had other gender versions.
Would've been nice having a power house weapons platform female class that had no care about cooldowns.

I played the geth. I'm a fan of robots. Hunter mode is awesome! Loathed being a GI for most of the time, though. the whole "cloak shoot cloak shoot" cycle isn't my thing, nor is unforgiving one shot weapons... except the Kishok. I have -no- idea why I like it, but I do. Not sure why I like the argus either.

I played as the male novaguard on accident.

I haven't played every last character in the game. I'll admit that. But there's my preference in being female that's clashing with the asssorted playstyles they can't access.

[Kazztore]

MercenaryNo wrote...

Aarek wrote...

Male according to the in-game voices.

Unless female Turians just happen to sound exactly like their male counterparts that is.

Anyone feel free to correct me with proof if I'm wrong here, but I recall bioware saying female turians look and sound identical to males.  If that's the case, they'd be a lot like Tolkien's Dwarves.  A turian could easily see a female turian, but to everyone else it just looks like a male turian.  That's my guess/shot in the dark that I'm too lazy to look up to make sure.

if turian women look like the men, no wonder every turian you see engaged in a relationship in-game is involved with a non-turian. THat guy on the dock in me3 for example, he's married to an asari. Then Garrus, either shep or Tali. 

[Rebel_Raven]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Most gamers are male. Game designers cater to their target audience.

What do you expect? 

Considering where Bioware started with MEMP, I expected better from them. I guess it's too much to ask.

Cyonan wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...
Also overlooked the fact that there has NEVER been a new female soldier. Nevermind a compeditor to the destroyer, or krogans.
Not even sure there's a female compeditor to the Batarians, or the Turians.

I know there's no real competition for the vorcha.

A lot of them use recycled voices that are all so sterile, and professional. meanwhile we have the Krogan, and Vorcha who sound nothing like the rest of the guys, nevermind each other.

Male species certainly get the most attention in design, and assorted play styles.

*Shrugs*

When you say competition, do you mean as in how they're tough, or in terms of how good they are?

Cause I'd say that the Human Female Soldier, along with her male counterpart, are one of the best Soldiers in the game right now.

I also don't see how you can say the males have more assorted play styles. They have more yes, but not more assorted.

I mean tough. Sure female human soldier has AR rush that refils shields, but lets look at the destroyer who's got immense destrictuve potential and massive shields, and a toggleable mode to either allow them durability/daamge, or mobility. Hey, vorcha soldier has regen!

I'll admit female vanguards have their charges to keep them durable. But really, the Kroguard. Need I say more? Granted that guy got a kick in the quads with all the stagger that seems to be going on, but it's not like flimsy classes can't get stunlocked either. They certainly won't last as long.

Male characters have turrets, drones, potent biotics, potent techs, high durability melee, light durability melee, immense weapon damage output, light damage output, the have a litteral shield that's not easy to break. They're the classes that make almost any gun far and away better.

They have a farkton of unique powers. Submission net, hunter mode, tech scan. A lot more than women have, numerical superiority aside.

They're really all over the place. they really and truly do have more play style options than the female classes, IMO.

I'd say they do have more, and more assorted with little exceptions. Even the shadow, fury, and demolisher's playstyle, fairly unique are all glass cannons. Guys have those. And not so glassey cannons.

NOW are women compeditive? Sure! Some female biotics are the best biotics, arguably. Hard to tell with upcoming DLC if anyone will trump them.

That's beside the point, however.

Sometimes I wanna be a high durability melee machine that doesn't have to worry about being killed in 3 ravager shots, or a pre-patch prime making short work of them. Sweeten the pot with joyful laughter, and badass remarks!... Or humor!

[paleobones]

I so wanted the new Turians to be female as well as the Krogan shaman. It was the perfect opportunity, and they blew it.

[Rebel_Raven]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Wait... you don't like playing as male characters? You MUST be sexist.

#Usingyourlogic

Funny thing, all those sexist guys out there are getting catered to MASSIVELY. Even if they aren't sexist they get the luxury of having their own gender so strongly represented, and so diversely in play style, and race.

Even in sexism the people sexist against guys get shafted!

*Shrugs*

[Distilled Poison]

Oh for crap's sake. I ignored your first thread, but I can't do it again.

First, the female representation in MP is fan-fkn-tastic when you consider the races and their representation.

Human- Both genders see representation, somewhat leaning towards male. Regardless, females currently are rarely, if ever, frontline soldiers. The amount we see in MP represents a HUGE leap in female representation by comparison.

Drell- We have never seen female Drell in the story.

Salarians- Females are non-combat

Krogan- After just curing the genophage, seeing females in the military would be a surprise.

Quarians- Has both male and female representation.

Asari- All the females your heart desires.

Vorcha- Never seen females.

Turians- Females are nearly identical to males. New Turians may be female, thus the helmet.

Geth- Genderless.


You're getting upset, not because Mass Effect doesn't have female representation, not because this DLC doesn't have females, but because it doesn't have /enough/ HUMAN females?

[Rebel_Raven]

paleobones wrote...

I so wanted the new Turians to be female as well as the Krogan shaman. It was the perfect opportunity, and they blew it.

Starting to feel like that's an understatement.

They couldn't have even bothered to make the new quarian female. I mean what's one more female in the grand scheme of things?

then again I'm sure they'd have gotten blasted for that on the forums coz:
1: It wasn't a guy. Guys don't wanna play as girls.
2: Bioware got lazy pasting the old female quarian into the place.

... wait, isn't 2 what they're doing with the asari? I'd love to hear that they're using other military outfits aside from the ol leathers.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 10 octobre 2012 - 03:23 .

[Distilled Poison]

Rebel_Raven

then again I'm sure they'd have gotten blasted for that on the forums coz:
1: It wasn't a guy. Guys don't wanna play as girls.
2: Bioware got lazy pasting the old female quarian into the place.

Jesus holy crap, you are a hypocrite. You're criticising hypothetical people for doing exactly what you're doing right now.

[Distilled Poison]

And damn it, while I'm off on a rant, I'm going after your signature, too.

Misogyny doesn't lead to misandry, stupidity and ignorance leads to misandry, just like stupidity and ignorance leads to misogyny. Not including enough women in your game isn't misogyny, it's making a game as you see relevant to your universe, and as practical from a lore and development standpoint.

Modifié par Distilled Poison, 10 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Oh for crap's sake. I ignored your first thread, but I can't do it again.

First, the female representation in MP is fan-fkn-tastic when you consider the races and their representation.

Human- Both genders see representation, somewhat leaning towards male. Regardless, females currently are rarely, if ever, frontline soldiers. The amount we see in MP represents a HUGE leap in female representation by comparison.

Drell- We have never seen female Drell in the story.

Salarians- Females are non-combat

Krogan- After just curing the genophage, seeing females in the military would be a surprise.

Quarians- Has both male and female representation.

Asari- All the females your heart desires.

Vorcha- Never seen females.

Turians- Females are nearly identical to males. New Turians may be female, thus the helmet.

Geth- Genderless.


You're getting upset, not because Mass Effect doesn't have female representation, not because this DLC doesn't have females, but because it doesn't have /enough/ HUMAN females?

The women don't have to be human.

It'd help if they weren't human considering people are bent out of shape with so many humans in general, and people are annoyed at the Asari population.

Would -1- more female quarian really have hurt to bump up the female count of the DLC to 3? Would be nice to have a second female soldier.

You saying Krogan females don't wanna fight for their planet? Hm? Huh? 
Seriously, they believe the genophage has been cured at the worst. 1 female can have thousands of children. Billions will be had in a hurry. And some women might wanna try and ensure the child bearers have time to do this, so they go out and fight.
They can spare a few women, who outnumber the guys, and the krogan males are being given out like candy on halloween. <.<

Honestly, the mentality that just coz the genophage is cured that every last female on the planet wll be staying homa making babies is, well...  You get the picture, right?

As for the turians, from reports, no, they're not female.

Also you missed out on batarians.
Technically ex-cerberus, too. Yeah, they're human, but they're both guys. Did they have to be? Really?

[akimboDEEZ]

I think the turian female are like the argonion female in skyrim the voice is strange and all scrappy. unlike the males which is smooth. which always bothered me about that game. Personally i dont think a turian female would be all that hard to separate from the males. maybe slightly curved head spike's and a slimmer body ( OR DAMN ARMOUR). Hell with technology nowadays you don't even need to perfect recycle voices. you can mess with them and immitae a near female voice. I may be a guy but damn I DO not like all the guys. I play as women just because they are so much better to look at. But i do say i am a guy, i just like the female body more. much better to look at.

[Drummernate]

That is like asking if Geth are female...

They don't have Female Turians yet so no.

[Distilled Poison]

As for the turians, from reports, no, they're not female.

Those reports are from people who know as much as you, and are exactly as factual as my statement was.

Technically ex-cerberus, too. Yeah, they're human, but they're both guys. Did they have to be? Really?

Shadow doesn't count? She may have been released in a separate DLC, but her genesis is obvious.

As for Batarians, I don't know if they're combat, but we haven't seen them either.

As for Krogans, I didn't say it was impossible, only improbable. With as many children will be born, someone will need to raise them, and given current Krogan culture and hierarchy, that seems up to the women.