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A stupid, stupid, stupid question. Are either of the turians female? + Largely civil discussion on female characters past present and future.


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then again I'm sure they'd have gotten blasted for that on the forums coz:
1: It wasn't a guy. Guys don't wanna play as girls.
2: Bioware got lazy pasting the old female quarian into the place.


Jesus holy crap, you are a hypocrite. You're criticising hypothetical people for doing exactly what you're doing right now.


Yep.
What? I can't do what the rest of the board does in general? Probably why we have male quarians in the first place?

C'mon, don't act like it wouldn't happen. It'll prolly happen in general once the Asari get put up for unlock.

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And damn it, while I'm off on a rant, I'm going after your signature, too.

Misogyny doesn't lead to misandry, stupidity and ignorance leads to misandry, just like stupidity and ignorance leads to misogyny. Not including enough women in your game isn't misogyny, it's making a game as you see relevant to your universe, and as practical from a lore and development standpoint.


Ouch, you cut me to the quick!

I wouldn't mind it if the world could hold hands, and get along. And then the universe. But they can't. Makes me
angry.
Bioware was one of my -last- few hopes in the world of videogaming to provide a balanced view of genders. They're kinda failing on that.

So you expect me to be happy dealing with bioware's steady decline to all male dlc in the future time and time again? They already did it once, and they damn near did it again this time! What do you care? You get yours.

You can attack my character all you want, I don't really care. Gotta get your hands dirty now and then to get something done, and if I have to play the villain, so be it.

Asking nicely sure hadn't done a -damn- thing so far, and I was hoping this would've been a battle (metaphorically speaking) I could've won with niceties.

I'm not sure that's possible anymore.

Bioware sure never gave me a PM coz I kept asking nicely for a female anything. No, when I rant, I get some attention. Followthrough? Not so damn much either way!

And practical lore my butt! ME1, and ME2 lore is out dated. Edi has concerns about the Krogan population boom!
Doesn't make ANY sense to me that none, NONE of the women would wanna go out and fight for that future as opposed to, well, be on their backs, and tend the babies, and make sammiches for all the guys who're part of a smaller population, yet leave by the thousands to fight for a cause that people are HELL BENT on excluding women from.

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Rebel_Raven wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Wait... you don't like playing as male characters? You MUST be sexist.

#Usingyourlogic


Funny thing, all those sexist guys out there are getting catered to MASSIVELY. Even if they aren't sexist they get the luxury of having their own gender so strongly represented, and so diversely in play style, and race.

Even in sexism the people sexist against guys get shafted! :P

*Shrugs*


Who do you think buys more games on the whole, males or females? Be real...

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I mean tough. Sure female human soldier has AR rush that refils shields, but lets look at the destroyer who's got immense destrictuve potential and massive shields, and a toggleable mode to either allow them durability/daamge, or mobility. Hey, vorcha soldier has regen!

I'll admit female vanguards have their charges to keep them durable. But really, the Kroguard. Need I say more? Granted that guy got a kick in the quads with all the stagger that seems to be going on, but it's not like flimsy classes can't get stunlocked either. They certainly won't last as long.

Male characters have turrets, drones, potent biotics, potent techs, high durability melee, light durability melee, immense weapon damage output, light damage output, the have a litteral shield that's not easy to break. They're the classes that make almost any gun far and away better.

They have a farkton of unique powers. Submission net, hunter mode, tech scan. A lot more than women have, numerical superiority aside.

They're really all over the place. they really and truly do have more play style options than the female classes, IMO.

I'd say they do have more, and more assorted with little exceptions. Even the shadow, fury, and demolisher's playstyle, fairly unique are all glass cannons. Guys have those. And not so glassey cannons.

NOW are women compeditive? Sure! Some female biotics are the best biotics, arguably. Hard to tell with upcoming DLC if anyone will trump them.

That's beside the point, however.

Sometimes I wanna be a high durability melee machine that doesn't have to worry about being killed in 3 ravager shots, or a pre-patch prime making short work of them. Sweeten the pot with joyful laughter, and badass remarks!... Or humor!


The Human Female Soldier actually has the N7 Destroyer beat in terms of toughness. They can take almost equal damage to shields(Destroyer wins by 150 damage), while the HFS can take a fair bit more health damage(about 350) and she has mobility no matter what. She's about middle of the pack as far as tough Soldiers go, having Vorcha Krogan and Batarian beating her, but Turian and N7 Destroyer losing to her. Havoc Soldier wins or loses based on how many grenades you have left. The Quarian Marksman(I really think this should have been female for the record) and Geth Soldier are both going to lose to the HFS as well.

The Valkyrie is also going to be pretty tough I think with being able to regenerate shields with Annhiliation Field. Within her class I don't know that she'll take home the title of "toughest Sentinel" though, as the N7 Paladin will be hard to beat.

We do lack a heavy female(as in higher base shields but can't dodge), as well as an immortal female(see Krogan Vanguard or soon Batarian Vanguard). I wouldn't mind seeing the first, but I have issues with the second's existence in the game in general.

I still say the assorted thing is just a result of simply having more males. There are tougher females, just not immortal females like the men have the Krogan Vanguard(which I already mentioned I don't think should be as tough as he is currently) and soon Batarian Vanguard.

I can always agree on more competitive melee focused characters in general. My Kroguard, Krosoldier, and Batarian Hatesurfer could use some friends.

It is a shame, because the Kroguard sounds like exactly what you want, just not female.

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As for the turians, from reports, no, they're not female.


Those reports are from people who know as much as you, and are exactly as factual as my statement was.


Technically ex-cerberus, too. Yeah, they're human, but they're both guys. Did they have to be? Really?


Shadow doesn't count? She may have been released in a separate DLC, but her genesis is obvious.

As for Batarians, I don't know if they're combat, but we haven't seen them either.

As for Krogans, I didn't say it was impossible, only improbable. With as many children will be born, someone will need to raise them, and given current Krogan culture and hierarchy, that seems up to the women.

Actually the two that are avaliable have been unlocked by others. I asked that stupid, stupid question coz I knew the forums would EXPLODE if even ONE were female. For better or worse, the boards would have gone nuclear meltdown over the amazement, hatred, joy, and all the emotions people invest in such things.

See, I'm not the only one that wants a female turian.
To a lesser extent, I'm not the only one that wants a female krogan.

If Bioware wants board activity, make one of the male only classes show both genders. Seriously. I may as well be asking bioware for volus the way I get received, mean or nice! ... wait, we got volus! I need another near impossible metaphor!

Shadow, while very very nice, doesn't count. She came in a later DLC that followed an all male DLC. yes, she's strikingly the phantom, but slayer is very much Kai Lang. Big deal.
And I was actually plesantly surprised by the Earth pack instead of irate at the all male DLC.

And you're saying some guys wouldn't stay home to help the kids, raise them, teach them how to headbutt like a man. and protect them along with the women you wanna saddle with the sole responsibility of?

Stop, and tihnk about what you're saying. You're basically telling me that the Krogan women should be home makers, and nothing else.

Krogan Lore's out dated due to a planet wide culture changing event. Free will is more probable among the revelry, and fact that making their culture won't be near as hard as it was before.

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What do you care? You get yours.


This is implying I get more or less enjoyment based on my character's gender. In ME multiplayer, that is not true, and in 90% of other games, I prefer playing as a female (smaller hitbox, easier to look at when making long treks, ala Fallout, and I have a thing for nice female voices, and VA's seem to nail it). So at best, I'm impartial. At worst, I'm in the same boat as you.

Bioware sure never gave me a PM coz I kept asking nicely for a female anything.


Nor did I get a PM about Volus. A lot of things are going downhill, least of which is Bioware's female representation.

If you're looking for developers that treat women fairly, my first suggestion is Ninja Theory. Heavenly Sword gave us Nariko, IMO one of the best female characters this generation. Enslaved brought us Trip, a realistic woman trapped in a dangerous world who uses her brains and tenacity to survive.

Also try American McGee's Alice and Alice: Madness returns. Exceptional games.

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The Human Female Soldier actually has the N7 Destroyer beat in terms of toughness. They can take almost equal damage to shields(Destroyer wins by 150 damage), while the HFS can take a fair bit more health damage(about 350) and she has mobility no matter what. She's about middle of the pack as far as tough Soldiers go, having Vorcha Krogan and Batarian beating her, but Turian and N7 Destroyer losing to her. Havoc Soldier wins or loses based on how many grenades you have left. The Quarian Marksman(I really think this should have been female for the record) and Geth Soldier are both going to lose to the HFS as well.

The Valkyrie is also going to be pretty tough I think with being able to regenerate shields with Annhiliation Field. Within her class I don't know that she'll take home the title of "toughest Sentinel" though, as the N7 Paladin will be hard to beat.

We do lack a heavy female(as in higher base shields but can't dodge), as well as an immortal female(see Krogan Vanguard or soon Batarian Vanguard). I wouldn't mind seeing the first, but I have issues with the second's existence in the game in general.

I still say the assorted thing is just a result of simply having more males. There are tougher females, just not immortal females like the men have the Krogan Vanguard(which I already mentioned I don't think should be as tough as he is currently) and soon Batarian Vanguard.

I can always agree on more competitive melee focused characters in general. My Kroguard, Krosoldier, and Batarian Hatesurfer could use some friends.

It is a shame, because the Kroguard sounds like exactly what you want, just not female.


Yes, female human soldier may win in toughness, but I don't see anyone complaining that she makes -anything- OP. :P Would be really nice to have that sort of power on a woman.

Regardless, they have, largely, one play style, coz there's only one female human soldier. Nevermind the only female soldier. Vorcha, krosols, batarians, turians, they offer a lot of play style variation among them. And now we're getting turians on jetpacks, and quarian soldier guys! More variation!
I'm thinking, maybe, the turians are probably now the most mobile soldier thanks to their jetpacks? Do they get a dodge, too?
Honestly, I wouldn't know. I'm taking a break from MEMP right now as opposed to have to see all the guys with their nice and shiney toys.

Honestly, Geth soldier would probably be nice. Sure they have crap health (maybe!) but as far as other geth go, they have the -best- shields. And an excellent melee that drains the shields. Believe me, it was something rendering enemies into goo during my long run as a GI.

And yeah, there's this crazy bit of science going on that women actually shoot better than men. At least as far as humans go. Would have really been nice if the Quarians decided to hang with that lore, and it would've made me less angry to have not only one more female, but one more soldier, too.

I agree completely with the Sentinel situation. And it may be arguable just how well the Asari Sentinel's power set will help her.

Ya know, strangely enough, I'm fine with batarians staying male only. As much as I come off as a vindictive, evil, villainous person I actually don't mind some races staying male only. I'm pretty much picking battles (Metaphorically) I think I can win.

I mean women do have the asari to have all to their own.

Guys? They could have vorcha, and batarians. Until I get a geth that sounds like Edi, they have them, too. :P Voice, and frame are important to the aesthetic, too.

I'd love to have a character that can be out there with your batarian, or Krogans, and have the durability to do it as opposed to face planting every few seconds.

i'm not looking for an adge over the guys, I just feel like the female options are still playig catch up.

A female kroguard would be -really- nice. They're practically immortal, and can goin and maul people with near reckless abandon with little slowing them down. Hands down, a female krogan with vanguard mobility would be nice. Biotic charge, and charge assaults.

I wonder if the male krogan adept will get biotic dodges? I mean Biotics can hurl a krogan halfway across the map. Short range jumps may not be out there. Then again he'd probably be broken if he could dodge like a fury.

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Actually the two that are avaliable have been unlocked by others.


What I meant was, one can not positively determine their gender due to ambiguity.

See, I'm not the only one that wants a female turian.


Yes, a lot of people want female Turians, myself included, not because we're concerned over a gender count disparity, but because it would be something new, because we want to learn about the Turians.

Shadow, while very very nice, doesn't count. She came in a later DLC that followed an all male DLC.


Demolisher doesn't count? Fury doesn't count?

And you're saying some guys wouldn't stay home to help the kids, raise them, teach them how to headbutt like a man. and protect them along with the women you wanna saddle with the sole responsibility of?


No, I'm saying they could justify the lack of Krogan females by saying they, along with some males, can help more by raising children, although to me it's just laziness.

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In my opinion, all gender concerns could be solved easily if the devs were willing to put some effort in. Simple solution: Drop gender specifities all together give each applicable class (e.g., Human, Quarian, Krogan, etc?) the option to toggle genders. Boom, EVERYONE is happy.

Barring that, in my opinion, the gender representation between applicable races is fine.

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Distilled Poison wrote...


What do you care? You get yours.


This is implying I get more or less enjoyment based on my character's gender. In ME multiplayer, that is not true, and in 90% of other games, I prefer playing as a female (smaller hitbox, easier to look at when making long treks, ala Fallout, and I have a thing for nice female voices, and VA's seem to nail it). So at best, I'm impartial. At worst, I'm in the same boat as you.


Bioware sure never gave me a PM coz I kept asking nicely for a female anything.


Nor did I get a PM about Volus. A lot of things are going downhill, least of which is Bioware's female representation.

If you're looking for developers that treat women fairly, my first suggestion is Ninja Theory. Heavenly Sword gave us Nariko, IMO one of the best female characters this generation. Enslaved brought us Trip, a realistic woman trapped in a dangerous world who uses her brains and tenacity to survive.

Also try American McGee's Alice and Alice: Madness returns. Exceptional games.


I didn't mean you as in -you-, sorry. it's more of a dig at the ardent naysayers.

It just it feels like a lot of people are against more females coz they get a ton of dudes to play with, so they don't care at best case scenario, or are against it coz they don't want less dudes, or lose male exclusive races in MP. Yet they'd gladly take female exclusiviity from quarians.

Still, here you are with volus, one of the biggest longshots in mass effect MP. Not only -one- volus, but -4-. it'd a virtual jackpot. Sure it's a massive lightning rod, and it may not be what you want, but you have your mission more or less accomplished.

I can't say for sure how hard you lobbied for volus additions, or if it was done seriously, but you got there. Congradulations.

Me? I still have a long way to go. Months longer, easy. Hell, it may not happen, or could be Bioware's last gasp of air as the MEMP servers go down.
Honestly, I thought I had a better shot with female krogans than the volus!

I really doubt the Asari Sentinel will fill much gaps. Sure they'll be durable, but unless they're point blank with an enemy that has shields (who'll lose them quickly) they're probably not more durable than the HFSent. And may have a questionable power loadout to boot.
I really doubt weapons will be her strong suit.
I really doubt she'll be able to melee any better than the usual Asari. Impressive as it is, it's hardly something to charge in with coz it takes windup, and cooldown. If there's something alive after that, you're gunna get hurt -bad- and not have much of anything you can do about it.

And yet there's several great frontiers we've not ventured into for women. 

We basically have no equivalents to the turians, batarians, vorcha, or krogans, destoyers, or GI. It's frustrating, you see? Several playstyles that are well out of the reach of any female character. It's frustrating.

X-Seed, Koei/Namco, and more than a few others are also good about female representation. Sure namco goes hard with the sex sells things, but their guys aren't exactly made without care for attractiveness. 'z good enough for me. Both sides are supposed to be eye candy.

Bioware stands atop all other companies, though, and right now it feels like a heroic paragon of giving a crap about playable women characters in games is taking a long fall. It hits me -hard-. I'm shocked. Shaken to the core! My faith is vastly, and hugely disturbed!

Alice Returns, I've debated on getting. Mixed reviews.

I have Heavenly Sword, but I'm hard pressed to call it "this generation" as it's been a long time since it's release.

I have a plethora of games with female protagonists, or the choice of gender.

I could make a large list of the games I have, but practically none of them are shooters, FPS, or TPS. If they are, they're not very -good- shooters, FPS, or TPS. I like shooters now and then. Mass Effect -was- my go to game, but, well, this DLC kinda bummed me out.

I dunno where I'm gunna go for console shooters that don't make you be a guy now that are co-op vs bots and don't offer uneven rewards, or restrict playstyles so heavily.
So yeah, that said, borderlands series is out. <.<

Looking forward to WWE '13 as they finally seem to have jumped the hurdle of restricting women's matches.

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Yes, infact all of them are

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Distilled Poison wrote...



Actually the two that are avaliable have been unlocked by others.


What I meant was, one can not positively determine their gender due to ambiguity.



See, I'm not the only one that wants a female turian.


Yes, a lot of people want female Turians, myself included, not because we're concerned over a gender count disparity, but because it would be something new, because we want to learn about the Turians.



Shadow, while very very nice, doesn't count. She came in a later DLC that followed an all male DLC.


Demolisher doesn't count? Fury doesn't count?

And you're saying some guys wouldn't stay home to help the kids, raise them, teach them how to headbutt like a man. and protect them along with the women you wanna saddle with the sole responsibility of?


No, I'm saying they could justify the lack of Krogan females by saying they, along with some males, can help more by raising children, although to me it's just laziness.


I'm not going to pretend a male turian is a female turian until Bioware comes out and says flat out they are female. :P

So our goals are similar in wanting a female turian. I admit my motives are a lot like yours and then some about equality.

Neither demoliosher, or fury are Cerberus related. Yes, they're excellent classes, but they're some really rare standouts. And they come form another DLC that wasn't the all male one.

Earth is feeling like a fluke because it's equal.

As far as Krogan, nevermind Turians, there's no justifications anymore. People can try and bash me over the head with lore, and design problems, but neither hold -that- much water.

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Yes, female human soldier may win in toughness, but I don't see anyone complaining that she makes -anything- OP. :P Would be really nice to have that sort of power on a woman.

Regardless, they have, largely, one play style, coz there's only one female human soldier. Nevermind the only female soldier. Vorcha, krosols, batarians, turians, they offer a lot of play style variation among them. And now we're getting turians on jetpacks, and quarian soldier guys! More variation!
I'm thinking, maybe, the turians are probably now the most mobile soldier thanks to their jetpacks? Do they get a dodge, too?
Honestly, I wouldn't know. I'm taking a break from MEMP right now as opposed to have to see all the guys with their nice and shiney toys.

Honestly, Geth soldier would probably be nice. Sure they have crap health (maybe!) but as far as other geth go, they have the -best- shields. And an excellent melee that drains the shields. Believe me, it was something rendering enemies into goo during my long run as a GI.

And yeah, there's this crazy bit of science going on that women actually shoot better than men. At least as far as humans go. Would have really been nice if the Quarians decided to hang with that lore, and it would've made me less angry to have not only one more female, but one more soldier, too.

I agree completely with the Sentinel situation. And it may be arguable just how well the Asari Sentinel's power set will help her.

Ya know, strangely enough, I'm fine with batarians staying male only. As much as I come off as a vindictive, evil, villainous person I actually don't mind some races staying male only. I'm pretty much picking battles (Metaphorically) I think I can win.

I mean women do have the asari to have all to their own.

Guys? They could have vorcha, and batarians. Until I get a geth that sounds like Edi, they have them, too. :P Voice, and frame are important to the aesthetic, too.

I'd love to have a character that can be out there with your batarian, or Krogans, and have the durability to do it as opposed to face planting every few seconds.

i'm not looking for an adge over the guys, I just feel like the female options are still playig catch up.

A female kroguard would be -really- nice. They're practically immortal, and can goin and maul people with near reckless abandon with little slowing them down. Hands down, a female krogan with vanguard mobility would be nice. Biotic charge, and charge assaults.

I wonder if the male krogan adept will get biotic dodges? I mean Biotics can hurl a krogan halfway across the map. Short range jumps may not be out there. Then again he'd probably be broken if he could dodge like a fury.


Well, you were talking about toughness =P

She can make a few things "OP", but the trio that makes it even more OP does consist of 2 men and a robot. The new Turians have a dodge that's a little slower, but covers more ground, and have toughness directly tied to how many grenades they have left(as they have a survival ops pack type ability that uses grenades).

I don't recall Quarian combatants as being strictly female in the lore, just that they were the only gender with a rendered model for ME1 so that was all we ever saw(same reason why all we ever see is Turian males). If it had been female, it would have knocked out 2 things at once from your post, as the Quarian Marksman has the Marksman ability, which is what gives the Turian Soldier his spot in the trio of "can make any weapon OP". The Quarian will soon be joining them and I'll have to come up with a new name for them.

Also, am I just crazy and making things up, or did Eve say that all Krogan Shaman were female? The new adept is listed as "Krogan Shaman" in the game files.

However, as I've been going through those files throughout the day, I recently just finished looking at the sounds and I can confirm that there aren't any surprises with the unreleased characters. They are all male, depending on what you consider Geth. At one point I might have mentioned lore but screw it, we have Volus now(not that I'm terribly broken up about lore being bent for the sake of MP).

I believe the Krogan Adept was listed as having limited mobility when I looked at it before they removed the unreleased characters from the character select screen, so no biotic dodge.

I'd say if there is more DLC planned it's a fight you could probably win if you kept up posting about it. Having equal representation is a thing I would support. They appear to listen to the forums on the wants of future DLC quite a bit. Krogan Vanguard, Quarian Males, and Volus were all asked for on a fairly regular basis from what I remember. The only thing we ask for a lot they haven't given us is Protheans. Though for more female characters I really just see you and Liarasshield making threads about it.

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Maybe the aliens are sexist...

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Still, here you are with volus, one of the biggest longshots in mass effect MP. Not only -one- volus, but -4-. it'd a virtual jackpot. Sure it's a massive lightning rod, and it may not be what you want, but you have your mission more or less accomplished.

I can't say for sure how hard you lobbied for volus additions, or if it was done seriously, but you got there. Congradulations.


My point here was that I didn't want Volus, in comparison to you saying Bioware didn't PM you. It's clear they've gone YOLOSWAG/DGAF/Based and are simply pandering to the people willing to shell out more money for ridiculous crap. If you want to start a crusade against Bioware's female representation, start with their FemShep bishoujo statue and I'll be right beside you.

In Bioware's defense, I don't blame them, I blame EA. They love to ride a series into the ground for just a few more bucks, e.g., Tony Hawk/Guitar Hero. I'm terrified of how Deadspace 3 will turn out.

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And reviews can eat sh*t, Alice: Madness returns was one of the best games I've ever played. The art/creative design team deserves a damn trophy for their work.

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No they aren't. Turian females are probably too weak to fight.

Why would they be? we already know that there are Turian Females in their military, and that they're fairly capable.

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Well, you were talking about toughness =P

She can make a few things "OP", but the trio that makes it even more OP does consist of 2 men and a robot. The new Turians have a dodge that's a little slower, but covers more ground, and have toughness directly tied to how many grenades they have left(as they have a survival ops pack type ability that uses grenades).

I don't recall Quarian combatants as being strictly female in the lore, just that they were the only gender with a rendered model for ME1 so that was all we ever saw(same reason why all we ever see is Turian males). If it had been female, it would have knocked out 2 things at once from your post, as the Quarian Marksman has the Marksman ability, which is what gives the Turian Soldier his spot in the trio of "can make any weapon OP". The Quarian will soon be joining them and I'll have to come up with a new name for them.

Also, am I just crazy and making things up, or did Eve say that all Krogan Shaman were female? The new adept is listed as "Krogan Shaman" in the game files.

However, as I've been going through those files throughout the day, I recently just finished looking at the sounds and I can confirm that there aren't any surprises with the unreleased characters. They are all male, depending on what you consider Geth. At one point I might have mentioned lore but screw it, we have Volus now(not that I'm terribly broken up about lore being bent for the sake of MP).

I believe the Krogan Adept was listed as having limited mobility when I looked at it before they removed the unreleased characters from the character select screen, so no biotic dodge.

I'd say if there is more DLC planned it's a fight you could probably win if you kept up posting about it. Having equal representation is a thing I would support. They appear to listen to the forums on the wants of future DLC quite a bit. Krogan Vanguard, Quarian Males, and Volus were all asked for on a fairly regular basis from what I remember. The only thing we ask for a lot they haven't given us is Protheans. Though for more female characters I really just see you and Liarasshield making threads about it.


Yeah, I was talking toughness. It's part of the fomula, and it's really important. Having female characters that rival a lot of the guys is the whole formula.

No, Lore doesn't paint quarian females as the only combatants, but in MP that was the way it was a long time. I'm not mad so much that male quarians violate lore, it's that there's no give, and take with it, and a ton of people are hoping mad that someone expects them to give.
Quarians are represented by both genders. I'm waiting for Turians, and Krogans to do the same. Lore doesn't say only guys are the fighters in those genders. Infact it says the opposite.

And yeah, even before the patch marksman pumped up the damage of a weapon making TSol one of those infamous three. Post patch? Probably moreso.

Bioware's really giving the weapon classes the beans with grenade buffs, weapon buffs, and new weapons, and weapons mods thast really just don't seem to be there for power lobbers. So there's a bit more frustration for me.

Not all Krogan females were Shaman. Grunt lets on intently about a female warlord. I'd like to think they have a lot of statuses, and hierarchy especially since there's a clan of entirely women.
Pretty sure there's at least one more mention of a female warrior.
In general, they're all tough to put up with marauding males.

From the thumbnail the Krogan Shaman looks like the kroguard. Hard to tell from what little footage there was, but I'd like to think that if they did make a female Krogan, they'd incorporate elements from Eve's wonderful outfit so they'd stand out more.
The voice will probably tell all. Odds are good it'll just be the typical krogan voice, like your findings, well, find. :P

The way the Geth are built, and sound, I consider them like Asari, but guys. 
They sound like guys, the'yre built like guys.
If we get a geth sounds like and shaped like Edi then we can talk about them being dual gendered. :P

I certainly hope there's more DLC planned, and I can win this, along with others who want what I do (though not necessarily for the same reasons. Either way, we'll both be happy, I'm sure.) I'd feel really good about it. it'd probably be the first time I've ever been listened to, even as a group as far as games go. This isn't the first battleground 've had. If Mass Effect does what I ask, it may well be the last, though. There's very few other games in it's genre I'd rather play.

The problem with continually making posts about it, and I'd say I have considering some of the responses I've gotten, is that I don't wanna maul people with the idea. I really don't. ranting and raving isn't my favorite approach.
I'd like to get support, and see it happen peacefully. I've tried that, however, and it's just not all that likely.

I'm just bent out of shape coz I'm extremely skeptical of just how close female aliens are to being next, though. Especially after this DLC!
On the bright side, they've done just about everything. More female aliens -have- to be higher on the list now? One can only hope!

But odds are I think we'd see a pack of 6 prothean guys before we see a female turian, or female krogan. Possibly before we see a new female quarian now that Quarian male's dug in.

I really don't feel like making a whole new character is necessary when I just want variations of existing classes, or even duplicates of existing classes like a lot of people suggest we should have.

Honestly, I was hoping that by now, Bioware could've hammered a few out. I guess not. :/

Still, I'm not opposed to a collaboration.

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Elementlordofmilk wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No they aren't. Turian females are probably too weak to fight.

Why would they be? we already know that there are Turian Females in their military, and that they're fairly capable.

I kinda feel like Sirian's trolling for some reason.

Distilled Poison wrote...

Still, here you are with volus, one of the biggest longshots in mass effect MP. Not only -one- volus, but -4-. it'd a virtual jackpot. Sure it's a massive lightning rod, and it may not be what you want, but you have your mission more or less accomplished.

I can't say for sure how hard you lobbied for volus additions, or if it was done seriously, but you got there. Congradulations.


My point here was that I didn't want Volus, in comparison to you saying Bioware didn't PM you. It's clear they've gone YOLOSWAG/DGAF/Based and are simply pandering to the people willing to shell out more money for ridiculous crap. If you want to start a crusade against Bioware's female representation, start with their FemShep bishoujo statue and I'll be right beside you.

In Bioware's defense, I don't blame them, I blame EA. They love to ride a series into the ground for just a few more bucks, e.g., Tony Hawk/Guitar Hero. I'm terrified of how Deadspace 3 will turn out.


I'm just saying Bioware never really PMed me coz I asked nicely about females in future DLC. They have said "don't give up hope" before, though, and not just to me.

And here we are with this DLC. This is hope?! <.< smh Just another straw on the camel's back.

The statue? Statue's a non-issue with me. It's the lack of women, and playstyles among them that are driving me up the wall while we get tons and tons of guys.

AFAIK Bioware is in charge of what goes into the game, and multiplayer outside of money related issues. Not sure what women have to do with that. especially as part of a free DLC that's part of an RNG store.

Deadspace 3? I don't see it staying to old formulas. It looks like a huge departure with co-op and less cramped, and scary locales. Possibly, it's going the way of resident evil games. More shootetry, less horror.

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Can't quote on Xbox browser but replying to your reply on my other post:

No, you shouldn't just shut up or give up on this matter, but that very response is what I was referring to in regard to the stereotypes. You are obviously an intelligent woman but your rants make you seem paranoid, irrational and very moody. Sorry if that offends but that is how your posts seem and it is very uncharacteristic from your past postings (which I've enjoyed BTW).

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i want female turians for lore reasons

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I'm pretty disappointed too. Character-wise, female Turians were the only thing I asked for. :(

I have zero knowledge of how game development works, but couldn't they just add a flange effect to one of the existing (human) female voices and be done with it? No new art needed.

I guess it's possible that Turians don't have ANY sexual dimorphism at all, even in voice pitch ... but come on MP dev team, let's just pretend they do. For science.

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BuckshotSamurai wrote...

Can't quote on Xbox browser but replying to your reply on my other post:

No, you shouldn't just shut up or give up on this matter, but that very response is what I was referring to in regard to the stereotypes. You are obviously an intelligent woman but your rants make you seem paranoid, irrational and very moody. Sorry if that offends but that is how your posts seem and it is very uncharacteristic from your past postings (which I've enjoyed BTW).

It doesn't offend me. I do admit emotions are getting the better of me in rants like that. I can, rarely, get very passionate, and that, mixed with my dim views on women in videogames, well, it's not a good combination. lol

I'm glad my other posts are something you enjoy, and I'm glad we've cleared the waters. :3

Also, the 360 got a web browser? I did not know that. o.O
Do you need to be a gold member to use it on the web?

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Atalanta wrote...

I'm pretty disappointed too. Character-wise, female Turians were the only thing I asked for. :(

I have zero knowledge of how game development works, but couldn't they just add a flange effect to one of the existing (human) female voices and be done with it? No new art needed.

I guess it's possible that Turians don't have ANY sexual dimorphism at all, even in voice pitch ... but come on MP dev team, let's just pretend they do. For science.


I agree, seeing a female turian would have been incredible1 

The helmets, and full suits could make for an ambiguos gender. A voice swap would probably have been all that was needed and no one would tell the diffirence, nevermind care.

It'd be nice if Bioware laid out the lore on the distinctions between male and female turians here on this board, so we can put the matter to rest.

If women sound exactly like men, though, I'd be kinda dissapointed.

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Should there have been female turians in MP? Sure, why not?

Are there any female turians in MP? Nope.

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I'm curious as to why they didn't include more female characters in this DLC. There's a number of things that, while people might have cried about it being "lazy"(this might come as a shock, but people will cry about them being lazy regardless of what they do), they could have done.

Give the Turian Havoc Soldier a female voice and bam, female Turian. It's already mentioned that female and male Turians can only really be told apart by the crest on the head, and our new Turians are all helmeted. This follows exactly what was told to us in the lore.

We've also seen female Salarians in SP, and they look just like the male ones except with a female voice. They could have done the same for the Salarians, which are now the only vanilla species without new characters.

They have a female model for Eve. They could put armour on her(or even just reskin her current clothes as it's Krogan. They're tough enough to handle going without armour) and throw in a female Krogan.

The second two may get lore arguments against it, but personally I feel like Volus bent the lore enough that female Krogan or Salarians wouldn't really be a big deal anymore.

As for the OP, I'm not sure if it's that you just prefer playing female(perfectly understandable) or that you just refuse to play male characters(this I wouldn't understand). If it's the second one, I would suggest giving them a shot regardless.


A female voice would have been good, aye.

As for female salarians, mmmm... no. Pretty clear the Salarians aren't going to risk it. As for female Krogans, a female with Slam, dark channel and throw would be amazing.