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[Cyonan]

Xaijin wrote...
A female voice would have been good, aye. 

As for female salarians, mmmm... no. Pretty clear the Salarians aren't going to risk it. As for female Krogans, a female with Slam, dark channel and throw would be amazing.

It also used to be clear that the Volus weren't fit for spec ops teams =P

[Xaijin]

Not really. Logistically speaking, a support specialist is needed for any extended op. BW have chosen geth and volus. Make pretty good sense. There were very few Salarians involved in the war proper and most were off the record STG or freelancers according to SP. The STG split is pretty much a political snubbing of the entire current system.

Not really seeing many females being onboard with that.

Modifié par Xaijin, 10 octobre 2012 - 07:44 .

[Leonia]

And people thought my passion for the turian feminist agenda was crazy. Oh boy. This is why we can't have nice things.

[Rebel_Raven]

leonia42 wrote...

And people thought my passion for the turian feminist agenda was crazy. Oh boy. This is why we can't have nice things.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm pushing for as many female aliens as possible. Not just turian females.  Mass crazy passion. 

And we can't have nice things coz I rarely see anyone posting their wants for it. If more posts were made by more people, we might have better chances than just silently hoping.

[Rebel_Raven]

Forum seems like it's eating my posts.

Nvm, there it goes.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 10 octobre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Zkyire]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

You want to play a woman? There are plenty of female characters in MP.

Human Adept (Female).
Human Soldier (Female).
Human Engineer (Female).
Human Sentinel (Female).
Human Infiltrator (Female).
Human Vanguard (Female).
Human Shadow (Female).
Human Fury (Female).
Human Demolisher (Female).
Quarian Engineer (Female).
Quarian Infiltrator (Female).
Asari Adept (Female).
Asari Justicar (Female).
Asari Sentinel (Female).
Asari Vanguard (Female).

Women are soooo underrepresented in Mass Effect.


...oh wait. Pointless complaining is pointless.

For some reason I figure I'll challenge this.

You missed the fact that there's only one female soldier.

The Asari Sentinel isn't out yet, so there's still only one female sentinel. Even then, the ratio of female sentinels is gunna suck.

How about you think about the fact that there's no equivalent to the krogans, or destroyers. I.E. High shields, high weapons damage output (Since bioware is really pushing this, it seems since they're doing next to nothing to help out power throwing classes.), and characters that won't get oblitterated trying to melee without gambling so much every time.

Sure, there's the Fury, and the Shadow as the most melee/CQC but they're so much more fragile they have to be far far more careful about it.

And you do realize they just added -14- more guys? And only 2 more women? The representation is really really going to start sucking at this rate. I don't see it getting any better.

Seriously, 2 out of 16 characters? When there could've been at least 3, easily? C'mon, how is this not a sign of crappy times to come for those who wanna be a female in the game?

And there's no male equivelant of the Fury. Or the Demolisher.

Hold on I'll get the guys together and we'll complain about Bioware being misandric.

Oh no, wait, we wont. Because we don't give a damn about representation. We play and enjoy the classes for what they are, instead of ranting about nothing. "The Destroyer is MALE? HOW DARE THEY NOT MAKE A FEMALE DESTROYER TOO?" Yet you give all the female only characters a free pass.

You're given fifteen female characters to choose from, and you complain that you're not being represented.

Also, few points:

1) We know nothing about Volus physiology so we don't know if they're male, female or whatever.
2) Vorcha do not count because they're not mammals. Again, they may even reproduce asexually, so again, don't count as male.
3) Geth are machines and do not count as male.

Modifié par Zkyire, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:37 .

[Ypiret]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

No.

Tell us again, how angry that makes you.

Nah, I won't soapbox, rant, and tirade.

Ya know what? I take it back. I am going to vent.

LOOLOOLOOLLOLLOLLO

I knew it.
This post was inevitable.

[bluebeam]

I also wanted to see at least one female turian. Hell, they could just have used a female voice for one of the characters, but nooo! Too much trouble?
I'd like to see the official reason for the missing female turians, if there is any.

[paleobones]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And people thought my passion for the turian feminist agenda was crazy. Oh boy. This is why we can't have nice things.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm pushing for as many female aliens as possible. Not just turian females.  Mass crazy passion. 

And we can't have nice things coz I rarely see anyone posting their wants for it. If more posts were made by more people, we might have better chances than just silently hoping.

Very true. I posted in a few threads that I would like to see turian and krogan females in multiplayer but I havent seen a thread dedicated to adding more female aliens. Perhaps we should start one.

[Ziegrif]

Thing is.
In mass effect MP one of the most powerful units in MP is genderless.
You know Geth. Though their design shows masculinity, Pointed shoulders deep grated voice.
I do understand really. I prefer female characters, most will say I'm some sort of pervert for saying that. If there's a female option I'll take it. I bought P3P just for the Female option.
Human Female soldier is one of my top 5 favorite kits in MP too and I tend to build the female variants into builds I'll mainly use when it comes to the starting kits.

I would have loved to play female Krogans, turians and other races. It won't stop me from playing MP though. Also the stereotypes of women in shooters is pretty deep rooted. It'll take a lot of time for things and attitudes to shift. Eventually it'll change though... except the doods that made Dead or alive series. Those guys will never change...



That there is a step in a good direction. Even if it's just a fan mod it's a sign there's progress. Eventually there'll be room for less sexualised women in games aswell. Though I do reckon the oversexualised version will always stay. Sex sells after all.

[rtwebre]

Irony is a good buddy of mine is in the Canadian special forces group JTF2, and his squad has a female sniper (not the butch kind either, she goes shopping with my buddies' wife). So the argument that women don't belong on the frontlines is bs. Bioware you're countrymen trust female troops in real life, shouldent there be female versions of existing male characters. I know a tad mellodramatic, but I thought it made my point.   

Modifié par rtwebre, 10 octobre 2012 - 09:07 .

[Ashen One]

brb, typing up a 6 paragraph essay on how bad Bioware is as a game developer because two of the most threatening enemies in the multiplayer mode are female, and have no male equivalent.

[DragonRacer]

Just adding my support, again, for female Turians. Probably a pipe dream, but I would like it.

Not a deal breaker for me, though. I am happy to have more Turians at all at this point.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Christ what a stupid thing to get mad about. I should have listened to the thread title "stupid, stupid".

Are you really complaining about the ratio of male/female character models in-game? Who gives a flying freak? There are multiple female figures in the ME universe that are quite strong-willed and upstanding. (Benezia was... not one of these)

The fact that you say you are disgusted with Bioware is a complete joke. The Multiplayer game mode, completely optional mind you, has plenty of female characters for you to play as. If you are unsatisfied with that then go play another game, the developers don't bend to your will. Now if you got a global group to advertise your opinions and try and change something outside your computer then I would respect that. But this is foolish and whiny.

Go ahead, retort, I'm out of here...

[Charaxan]

I am looking forward to play a male asari. You can say what you want but I did not see one since the begining and I played since the first ME !

...

Seriously guys. Solve your problems IRL and cultivate yourself (the wikia of mass effect is a great source). In that way, no flame for female turian nor ignorance about the lore of the game. (female turians are repertoriates and source on sexual dimorphisms are quite clear. You don't know that ? Don't write, but read)

[paleobones]

DragonRacer wrote...

Just adding my support, again, for female Turians. Probably a pipe dream, but I would like it.

Not a deal breaker for me, though. I am happy to have more Turians at all at this point.

Its not a deal breaker for me either. I just think they would be a great addition. And there is no real reason why they aren't already present. As others have pointed out with the helmets on all that was needed was a feminine voice.

[The fool you should have eaten]

Well OP, the DLC flow isn't done yet, and the only way to get them to see that this matters to their players (while it might seem common sense to some) is to make posts like this. This is perhaps a little beyond mere suggestion, but it is on the right track. The forums are the connection between the Devs and the players, and the truth of the matter is that the loudest group is the one that gets heard (hence the volus).

Don't give up yet. Trends can always be reversed.

On a side note, I am impressed with how civil most of the people have been on this thread. When I saw a rant, I expected flaming. A pleasant surprise.

[Rebel_Raven]

Zkyire wrote...


And there's no male equivelant of the Fury. Or the Demolisher.

Hold on I'll get the guys together and we'll complain about Bioware being misandric.

Oh no, wait, we wont. Because we don't give a damn about representation. We play and enjoy the classes for what they are, instead of ranting about nothing. "The Destroyer is MALE? HOW DARE THEY NOT MAKE A FEMALE DESTROYER TOO?" Yet you give all the female only characters a free pass.

You're given fifteen female characters to choose from, and you complain that you're not being represented.

Also, few points:

1) We know nothing about Volus physiology so we don't know if they're male, female or whatever.
2) Vorcha do not count because they're not mammals. Again, they may even reproduce asexually, so again, don't count as male.
3) Geth are machines and do not count as male.

Then why not ask bioware for an equivalent to the demolisher, or the fury? Crazy idea, I know!

Problem with MY lack of equivalents is I'm looking for some bery basic play styles. It's not my fault that they're epitomized in 2 classes, the Destroyer, and the Kroguard.

See, males have a lot of power spammy glass cannon classes that can generate their own booms.
Women have NO class that starts out with a heavy defense. Krogans, turians, batarians, and destroyers do this easily.

There really is no good weapons platform female classes compared to Geth Infiltrator, Destroyer, or TSol.

Fury, and Demolisher are really one of a kind vs the power characters that are universally male, and pretty numerous.

Further, look at the DLC! -2- women out of 16 characters? When several could have easily been female? The Quarian Marksman would've settled a lot of my gripes if he used the female quarian appearance. Or even a variation of one of Tali's old DLC suits that had the HUD on the face plate? Would've been really fitting, exotic, fresh, and new to MP, IMO.

Said Quarian would've had the marksman power, modernly equipped/powered, and been a soldier, AND female. That would've reeaaally kaboshed my complaints that the only female soldier is THE ONE WE STARTED OUT WITH, and have given a strong contender as a weapon platform class.

One Krogan out of the entire DLC, and it's a vanguard variation? Joy! Could've been female, new, exotic, and fun!

Add -one- female turian in the bunch, and look! -5- women! Out of 16 characters! A far less crappy ratio! A LOT more for me to look forward to! And probably not all that damn hard to make!

So we have 15 women, lets look at the number of males out there, shall we?

We may be represented, but compared to the representation of male characters, it's getting really really bad. I was glad when women made up about 1/3 the population, but that's LONG gone now. Blown the hell out of the water by -14- guys!!

I'm not selfish enough to ask for all female DLC (yeah, lets see how popular THAT would be vs an all male DLC!), but that's about the only way female characters can get anywhere back to 1/3 the characters at this rate. 1/3 was nice!

And I'd appreciate it if you didn't BS me splitting hairs. ooo! The Geth are gender neuter! They still strongly resemble the male gender, and reproduce on their own somehow or another. If there was a race of EDI, the general populous would prolly call her female!

Vorcha are a male resembling species, and they don't count? Well, look at the asari! the female only species that don't count, then! They're very similar to eachother reproduction, and species wise.

You can't throw unknown volus physiology at me, and expect me to take it like they're vorcha, and say the vorcha don't count! It don't work that way.

If you're going to split hairs like that you're gunna have to remove the Asari from your list. How's our representation then?

Why is it that the only alien race to show both genders is the Quarian, who was once only represented by women? People lobbied for male quarians, and got it!
Yet here we are, people are asking one or two, or three of the MANY male only classes to go the same way and we're silly, criticized, trolled, and flamed with occassional support?! We get a lot of people against it? I call BS! That's some double standard BS.

Even if Salrians, Turians, and Krogan ended up represented by both genders in MP, the boys only club would STILL have the Drell and Batarians! Unless you don't wanna split hairs, then there's the Geth, and Vorcha, too!

That said, the girls only club would still have one species, the Asari. Unless you -wanna- split hairs, then, well, ... looks like I got nuthin'.

Bioware consistently gives MP more and more male characters. They haven't with female characters. How's that not biased towards a gender?
Earth was a FLUKE in being gender balanced (Coz the phoenix sure as hell weren't gender balanced lolz), or even remotely so, frustratingly. A one of a kind DLC that was gender balanced vs the rest that were frankly nowhere near, and probably won't be again.

Like I said, it feels like the Asari were just token offerings so they wouldn't make an all male DLC. They'll probably be among the last to be unlockable, too. Then there's the Random store to deal with. yay...

But here we are, guys get the vast majority of the characters, so anyone that has a problem with it MUST be wrong! <.<
Lets force people to be guys to get new experiences! What if they want to be women? WHO CARES?
Puhleez.

You call gender nothing, but a guy playing as the opposite gender is a luxury vs women playing the opposite gender is getting more and more mandatory to enjoy new content.
When guys have to play a female character to enjoy new content, well, we'll see how well that goes over with the board.
You'd be surprised over the amount of people who wouldn't call it "nothing."

[Ashen One]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

When guys have to play a female character to enjoy new content, well, we'll see how well that goes over with the board.

I had to play the Shadow to try out the only true melee Infiltrator back when Earth dropped, and you don't see me pissing and moaning about it.

Rebel_Raven wrote...

You call gender nothing, but a guy playing as the opposite gender is a luxury vs women playing the opposite gender is getting more and more mandatory to enjoy new content.

Some of us are pretty indifferent about it since the character model has nothing to do with the skillset. Making a broad claim about how "a guy playing as the opposite gender is a luxury" and expecting to be taken seriously is stupid beyond words.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 10 octobre 2012 - 10:15 .

[ZiRK]

rtwebre wrote...

Irony is a good buddy of mine is in the Canadian special forces group JTF2, and his squad has a female sniper (not the butch kind either, she goes shopping with my buddies' wife). So the argument that women don't belong on the frontlines is bs. Bioware you're countrymen trust female troops in real life, shouldent there be female versions of existing male characters. I know a tad mellodramatic, but I thought it made my point.   

Do you know what recon/sniper teams do? - They stay well away from the "frontlines". Theres a good reason females generally arent included in spec./fireteams/Operations, I shouldnt have to tell anyone this. Our society is still really confused right now. 

[Major Durza]

I'm just gonna paraphrase here, only putting up your quote that I want to address:

Rebel_Raven wrote...
To those small minded people that don't grasp the importance of being a female to me in a game, I tell ya what? Why don't you post when you've spent several decades with the majority of game protagonists FEMALE ONLY until the point you're sick of it. Having to scrape, and scrounge the console game market for a shooter where you can be your gender? Nevermind digging, and researching for a decent game where you don't have to be the other gender?

I hear ya there, I can sympathize.  I prefer not to play as female characters since I am male, I can understand your frustration.

Rebel_Raven wrote...
2 Asari added at some unknown date? BIG DEAL! THERE'S 14 GUYS!! Way to tokenize the Asari!
Two is not enough! And I wager they're using recycled powers, appearances, and voices, too!
They'll no doubt under perform compared to the majority of the characters. Lack luster, and overlooked for a reason.

The Valkyrie and the Huntress are powerful.  If memory serves right, Tech Armor, Ahilation Field, and Warp.  Slower, more defensive Fury basically.
Huntress.  Tactical Cloak, Dark Channel, Warp.  That is quite the punch, its aggressive.

Rebel_Raven wrote...
Unless the Asari are excruciatingly awesome, or to my surprise there's more women than those 2, I think I'll just stop playing, full stop.

Shaman has a chance, since they do have a Krogan female in the game, and the Shaman is armored.
I wouldn't hope too much for the rest, since Krogan and Salarians are the only non-humaniod race(well, you know what I mean) to have females.  It is unlikely that they will introduce females of any given gender in MP.  Then again, they might be armored.  Turian Saboteur has a chance of being female, I hope so.
We didn't see the Quarian Marksman, and there have been many complaints in the past of Male Quarians surpassing the females.

Rebel_Raven wrote...
So, what BS excuses do you have? Time? Money? Work? target audience? C'mon, give me the typical crap developers shovel out! WAY TO SELL OUT!

Unlikely that we are going to see Batarian or Drell females, since they are unlikey to figure out how to portray them.  How does one make a Batarian female?  Or a drell, do you just slap the figure on and call it a day?  Well, furries do, but we do not want to go there.
Hard to portray.  Or at least, in a manner acceptable to the community.

Rebel_Raven wrote...
You may as well replace the Asari with Phoenix models, or I dunno, male Quarians. Ya know, the male quarians the HYPOCRATICAL BSN board clammored for, yet when people want female versions of alien species get snubbed?

Because Quarians are suited humanoids, easy to portray.  They even have the same profiles as humans, its easuy.  As I said earlier, portraying a Batarian or Drell female would be difficult.  Turian female, maybe not so much.  Again, hoping that the Krogan Shaman and Turian Sabeteur are female at least.  Quarian Marksman, I think that one is likely to be female.

[Rebel_Raven]

The fool you should have eaten wrote...

Well OP, the DLC flow isn't done yet, and the only way to get them to see that this matters to their players (while it might seem common sense to some) is to make posts like this. This is perhaps a little beyond mere suggestion, but it is on the right track. The forums are the connection between the Devs and the players, and the truth of the matter is that the loudest group is the one that gets heard (hence the volus).

Don't give up yet. Trends can always be reversed.

On a side note, I am impressed with how civil most of the people have been on this thread. When I saw a rant, I expected flaming. A pleasant surprise.

I'm extremely appreciative of the civil people, too. It's extremely nice to see people taking this matter seriously, even if they are against it.

[AresKeith]

The only female race I really can't see in the MP is female Salarians based on what Bioware wrote about them

[Rebel_Raven]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

When guys have to play a female character to enjoy new content, well, we'll see how well that goes over with the board.

I had to play the Shadow to try out the only true melee Infiltrator back when Earth dropped, and you don't see me pissing and moaning about it.

Rebel_Raven wrote...

You call gender nothing, but a guy playing as the opposite gender is a luxury vs women playing the opposite gender is getting more and more mandatory to enjoy new content.

Some of us are pretty indifferent about it since the character model has nothing to do with the skillset. Making a broad claim about how "a guy playing as the opposite gender is a luxury" and expecting to be taken seriously is stupid beyond words.

Yeah, shadow plays a lot like a vanguard, and Slayer is very strongly related to the shadow. Further, Geth Infiltrator's a strong melee character. Playing as a true melee infiltrator, or getting a similar feeling to the shadow isn't too hard, imo.

I find it a bit more daunting to play a character like a kroguard, or TSol, or Destroyer. They have no close relatives among the female cast.

Some of the people who don't care about gender  are apparently in the small minority compared to the people who seem outright against more women, and playstyles among them being added.

My methods, and motives may not be pure, but my goal is simple. I wanna see women stop playing the roles of glass cannons vs the more durable, hard hitting guys.
If a male human can get krogan level shields, why not a woman?

So if you don't care about gender, why are you going out of your way to object towards, and/or belittle my goal anyhow?
My end goal doesn't seem harmful for the Mass effect Community. I just wanna see more females around, in a wider array of play styles.

[Ashen One]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

So if you don't care about gender, why are you going out of your way to object towards, and/or belittle my goal anyhow?

Because your execution is ridiculous, hypocritical, stereotypical and hilarious all at the same time.

But mostly because I wanted to see if you were going to type up a dissertation on gender equality in response to the lack of a female voiceover in an expansion to a game's tacked on Multiplayer, with a relatively small active community.

... I was right.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:05 .