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[Rebel_Raven]

Najarati wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...
I admit, I did forget the Demolisher, she has grenades, but she carrys around a supply pylon to stay in the back ground as support and use wrist propelled homing grenades.. What, women can't aim or throw anymore?.... That was a joke, I'm well aware of her other grenade power.

No, she carries a supply pylon so she can refill her grenades without having to visit a crate -- no more, no less.  If you want to huddle around the pylon in the back that's certainly your choice, but there's no rule saying you must play that way.  My Demolisher is often right up in the front shredding enemies with everyone one else -- grenades, buckshot, melee, whatever gets the job done.  Other times, she hangs back.  It all depends on the situation.  And I don't travel light with her or use "wimpy" weapons or any such nonsense; Piranha and Sabre or the Crusader alone for her.

To sum up: she's tough, powerful, and as hardcore as you choose to play her.  The tools are there and she has no counterpart.

I can agree on most of this. Mine carries the typhoon to say the least. When I'm over my dissapointment, or when the Asari are released I've pondered her using the raider in place of the pirahna.

I finally got the Indra the night before the DLC, but I'm so disgusted I don't care, and it was instant love with the indra. Yes, 14 male characters vs 2 is that repulsive.

While the Demolisher can carry any weapon in the game just fine, but lets not overlook the fact she has no power like adrenaline rush, or marksman to buff her weapon damage output making her squarely sub par vs soldiers which means I don't count her as a weapons platform class. Just really close to it.

Yes, she's an engineer, but she's probably one of the most likely heavy weapons combatants and she STILL can't catch up in pure weapons damage which is one of the most important things in the game.

There's the Human Female Soldier, but who brags about adrenaline rush?

[MearasNZ]

I would like Female Krogans, and Turians, very much so. And I have wanted a FemDrell since I fist started playing ME MP. Not just because I am a girl, however, but because I love the ME Universe and I want MOOOAAARRR of everything.

I have no difficulty in playing male characters - after all I've been doing that since Wolfenstein 3D and Doom; so in all honesty that doesn't bother me too much. Interestingly, if playing a dual-gendered class (HSol, HA, HV etc), probably 8 times out of 10 I would choose the male - but maybe this is because I have been "conditioned" after around 20 years of videogaming? Who knows!

Though it doesn't bother me - at least on a level I am aware of! - that most of the characters are male, I would still really welcome a FemDrell, FemKrogan, and FemTurian. It certainly couldn't hurt! The more the merrier, I think - I just want more ME stuff - more people, no matter what species, and more planets / maps.

[Najarati]

Rebel_Raven wrote...
While the Demolisher can carry any weapon in the game just fine, but lets not overlook the fact she has no power like adrenaline rush, or marksman to buff her weapon damage output making her squarely sub par vs soldiers which means I don't count her as a weapons platform class. Just really close to it.

Yes, she's an engineer, but she's probably one of the most likely heavy weapons combatants and she STILL can't catch up in pure weapons damage which is one of the most important things in the game.

She doesn't have Adrenaline Rush or Marksman because she doesn't -need- it on top of two types of grenades (one which can specialize in dealing with shields and the other armor).  So what if she can't deal quite as much damage per shot as a soldier.  That's all the human and turian soldier classes really -do- is shoot with the occassional mine or frag grenade.  The Demolisher's damage to a group of targets is far greater as she can toss out grenades like candy.  High single-target damage is not always the best damage in all situations.  Nobody lays down cover like a Demolisher tossing a Arc and Homing Grenades all around -- nobody.  Very helpful when your team is trying to rez someone in the middle of a battlefield with enemies surrounding them.

What about the FQE?  She doesn't have Marksman or Adrenaline Rush or Hunter Mode, but I often outscore teams with her if that means anything to you; and that was -before- these DLC changes.  Now she's even better.  Her gun is only for setup or polishing off enemiles.  Otherwise, she's a freezi'splode machine with her turret for minor CC (folks seem to hate on turret's shock ability, but I've saved people countless times by hurling it into enemies and stunning the whole group).

I'm with you on more female characters, Rebel Raven, but let's not downplay some of the female characters we have.  They have strengths and weaknesses like the male classes, and they have appearances which range from armored to skin tight like the male classes.  "Coolness" and "hardcoreness" are subjective; they aren't a skill you put points into.

Also, shameless plug:  If we get a female Quarian Marksman, can she look like this?

standalone-complex.deviantart.com/gallery/

It's a commission I had done by Peter Ortiz a few years back of a character I write about.

[Cyonan]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

While the Demolisher can carry any weapon in the game just fine, but lets not overlook the fact she has no power like adrenaline rush, or marksman to buff her weapon damage output making her squarely sub par vs soldiers which means I don't count her as a weapons platform class. Just really close to it.

Yes, she's an engineer, but she's probably one of the most likely heavy weapons combatants and she STILL can't catch up in pure weapons damage which is one of the most important things in the game.

There's the Human Female Soldier, but who brags about adrenaline rush?

Adrenaline Rush is actually an amazing ability, but we don't use it to speed run and it can't make you immortal so it doesn't get much mention on the BSN.

I used to say that the Human Soldiers were the best Soldiers in the game, but the N7 Destroyer had to go and be better then either of them(I don't think he's incredibly far ahead, though), so they're second place now.

Also we need another Krogan. One that has an ability that gets boosted by +melee damage. Doesn't seem right that the Krogan didn't get that.

[Omnifarious Nef]

MearasNZ wrote...

I would like Female Krogans, and Turians, very much so. And I have wanted a FemDrell since I fist started playing ME MP. Not just because I am a girl, however, but because I love the ME Universe and I want MOOOAAARRR of everything.

I have no difficulty in playing male characters - after all I've been doing that since Wolfenstein 3D and Doom; so in all honesty that doesn't bother me too much. Interestingly, if playing a dual-gendered class (HSol, HA, HV etc), probably 8 times out of 10 I would choose the male - but maybe this is because I have been "conditioned" after around 20 years of videogaming? Who knows!

Though it doesn't bother me - at least on a level I am aware of! - that most of the characters are male, I would still really welcome a FemDrell, FemKrogan, and FemTurian. It certainly couldn't hurt! The more the merrier, I think - I just want more ME stuff - more people, no matter what species, and more planets / maps.

Oh god, thanks for reminding me of that <.< You know what they say, the more the merrier, the more the marrier, the marrier, marrier.... MARRIER...... Now if you don't mind me, I've gotta go and find that damn fourth Chaos emerald.

[Rebel_Raven]

MearasNZ wrote...

I would like Female Krogans, and Turians, very much so. And I have wanted a FemDrell since I fist started playing ME MP. Not just because I am a girl, however, but because I love the ME Universe and I want MOOOAAARRR of everything.

I have no difficulty in playing male characters - after all I've been doing that since Wolfenstein 3D and Doom; so in all honesty that doesn't bother me too much. Interestingly, if playing a dual-gendered class (HSol, HA, HV etc), probably 8 times out of 10 I would choose the male - but maybe this is because I have been "conditioned" after around 20 years of videogaming? Who knows!

Though it doesn't bother me - at least on a level I am aware of! - that most of the characters are male, I would still really welcome a FemDrell, FemKrogan, and FemTurian. It certainly couldn't hurt! The more the merrier, I think - I just want more ME stuff - more people, no matter what species, and more planets / maps.

I'm the opposite. After several decades, I'm just tired of it.

I'm going to chalk it up to conditioning if you don't mind. Nothing tinfoil hat evil, but in a game as progressive as mass effect, set in a very progressive future, I find it suspicious that there's no high grade front line weapon using women that aren't glass cannons compared ot the guys out there.

So, yeah, there's a lot of conditioned people with the mentality that it's fine. It shows all over the place.

[AresKeith]

You know with Characters like Ashley, FemShep, Samara, Tali, probably EDI too in the SP, that alone says there can female characters as tough as Male characters for the MP. So why not add those?

[ParadoxFaet]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

You want to play a woman? There are plenty of female characters in MP.

Human Adept (Female).
Human Soldier (Female).
Human Engineer (Female).
Human Sentinel (Female).
Human Infiltrator (Female).
Human Vanguard (Female).
Human Shadow (Female).
Human Fury (Female).
Human Demolisher (Female).
Quarian Engineer (Female).
Quarian Infiltrator (Female).
Asari Adept (Female).
Asari Justicar (Female).
Asari Sentinel (Female).
Asari Vanguard (Female).

Women are soooo underrepresented in Mass Effect.


...oh wait. Pointless complaining is pointless.

For some reason I figure I'll challenge this.

You missed the fact that there's only one female soldier.

The Asari Sentinel isn't out yet, so there's still only one female sentinel. Even then, the ratio of female sentinels is gunna suck.

How about you think about the fact that there's no equivalent to the krogans, or destroyers. I.E. High shields, high weapons damage output (Since bioware is really pushing this, it seems since they're doing next to nothing to help out power throwing classes.), and characters that won't get oblitterated trying to melee without gambling so much every time.

Sure, there's the Fury, and the Shadow as the most melee/CQC but they're so much more fragile they have to be far far more careful about it.

And you do realize they just added -14- more guys? And only 2 more women? The representation is really really going to start sucking at this rate. I don't see it getting any better.

Seriously, 2 out of 16 characters? When there could've been at least 3, easily? C'mon, how is this not a sign of crappy times to come for those who wanna be a female in the game?

I'm stopping caring about this thread right with this post. 


Females in the Mass Effect series are not underrepresented whatsoever. If you think so, you're a biased idiot. Period, end of story. Some of the best classes are female, and every human class has a female equivilent. 

And I'm actually surprised the iratofemenists took so long to reach Mass Effect...

[Cyonan]

AresKeith wrote...

You know with Characters like Ashley, FemShep, Samara, Tali, probably EDI too in the SP, that alone says there can female characters as tough as Male characters for the MP. So why not add those?

I don't really see how Tali/EDI come off as tough in the SP. At least physically.

[Omnifarious Nef]

Cyonan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

You know with Characters like Ashley, FemShep, Samara, Tali, probably EDI too in the SP, that alone says there can female characters as tough as Male characters for the MP. So why not add those?

I don't really see how Tali/EDI come off as tough in the SP. At least physically.

Next multiplayer DLC, Shirtless, Blonde, long flowing haired rippling muscled He-men with spandex pants and huge bulges. They will kill the Reapers with their chiseled jaws and ludicrous levels of testosterone. I think I just have a problem with them making the Women sex objects, Samara has giant exposed boobs, they re did Ashley, EDI is basically a naked woman... Need I go on?

Modifié par NeferiusX3, 11 octobre 2012 - 01:48 .

[MearasNZ]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

I'm going to chalk it up to conditioning if you don't mind. Nothing tinfoil hat evil, but in a game as progressive as mass effect, set in a very progressive future, I find it suspicious that there's no high grade front line weapon using women that aren't glass cannons compared ot the guys out there.

So, yeah, there's a lot of conditioned people with the mentality that it's fine. It shows all over the place.

Interesting that you think it could be conditioning, after all.  I grew up in a military family; my father was a soldier and fought in the Vietnam war.  Back in the day when I was a kid living in army bases, female soldiers were few and far between and they certainly didn't participate in any frontline warfare.  I then had a diet of buffed and burly macho FPS characters - "Doomguy" and "Wolfenstein Guy", Duke Nukem, Gordon Freeman (wait...).  It is probably no wonder then that I usually select a male character to go shoot s**t up.

Still doesn't bother me, though    I would be absolutely chuffed if Fem Drell, Krogs, and Turians found a place within the Hallowed Halls of MP, I would be completely stoked; but at the same time I'm not going to stop playing the game I love, or lose faith in the development team, or lose any sleep over the fact that those characters are not there.  (And please don't take offence to that because it was not a statement directed at you and what you are posting about - it's just my humble opinion).

[Cyonan]

NeferiusX3 wrote...
Next multiplayer DLC, Shirtless, Blonde, long flowing haired rippling muscled He-men with spandex pants and huge bulges. They will kill the Reapers with their chiseled jaws and ludicrous levels of testosterone. I think I just have a problem with them making the Women sex objects, Samara has giant exposed boobs, they re did Ashley, EDI is basically a naked woman... Need I go on?

That would actually be kind of hilarious to see.

As I mentioned over in the Dragon Age 3 forums at some point, I don't mind a character that looks like that if it makes sense for the character. If not though, then it kind of bothers me. I had a hard time taking Miranda seriously in ME2 since you'd never go into combat looking like that, shields or no shields.

EDI maybe didn't need to be that sexualized, but it makes a kind of sense that the robot body wouldn't be clothed. Ashley's redesign was partially for sex appeal, but I don't really see her or Samara as being sex objects(at least Samara wears armour, unlike Miranda =P). Having/getting a bit of sex appeal doesn't necessarily turn them into a sex object.

[AresKeith]

Cyonan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

You know with Characters like Ashley, FemShep, Samara, Tali, probably EDI too in the SP, that alone says there can female characters as tough as Male characters for the MP. So why not add those?

I don't really see how Tali/EDI come off as tough in the SP. At least physically.

I think it depends on how you set them up, because they was pretty tough in my playthrough

[Deucetipher]

Respectfully OP, ME3 as a game is incredibly progressive in its gender and sexual politics. While your complaints certainly have merit, I feel it is unfair to focus so strongly on the MP and disregard the great lengths to which Bioware went to make the game relatable for everyone.

Without judgment or humor, Bioware included same-sex relationships and generally avoided falling into the tropes of gender politics. FemShep is just as much in charge of her sexuality as ManShep is. FemShep was featured in promotional materials, and currently graces the cover of my game.

While I certainly can't place myself directly in your shoes, I grew up Latino in the deep south. There aren't many Hispanic heroes in games, either. I personally do not feel the sense of alienation you describe, but I do, almost without fail, play as men in games. Feels odd to play cross gendered for me, at least if in a roleplaying game.

Insofar as the MP is concerned, you raise a valid concern. I just think that one should recognize the efforts to which Bioware has gone to make a game that is significantly more progressive then the typical AAA title.

BTW, you should check out Wet. It's a highly entertaining shooter featuring an admittedly euro-centrically beautiful female protagonist. However, if I recall correctly, the game avoids sexualizing her, and she kicks major ass. Another, better, game is Mirror's Edge, with which I am sure you are familiar.

Modifié par Deucetipher, 11 octobre 2012 - 02:06 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Najarati wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...
While the Demolisher can carry any weapon in the game just fine, but lets not overlook the fact she has no power like adrenaline rush, or marksman to buff her weapon damage output making her squarely sub par vs soldiers which means I don't count her as a weapons platform class. Just really close to it.

Yes, she's an engineer, but she's probably one of the most likely heavy weapons combatants and she STILL can't catch up in pure weapons damage which is one of the most important things in the game.

She doesn't have Adrenaline Rush or Marksman because she doesn't -need- it on top of two types of grenades (one which can specialize in dealing with shields and the other armor).  So what if she can't deal quite as much damage per shot as a soldier.  That's all the human and turian soldier classes really -do- is shoot with the occassional mine or frag grenade.  The Demolisher's damage to a group of targets is far greater as she can toss out grenades like candy.  High single-target damage is not always the best damage in all situations.  Nobody lays down cover like a Demolisher tossing a Arc and Homing Grenades all around -- nobody.  Very helpful when your team is trying to rez someone in the middle of a battlefield with enemies surrounding them.

What about the FQE?  She doesn't have Marksman or Adrenaline Rush or Hunter Mode, but I often outscore teams with her if that means anything to you; and that was -before- these DLC changes.  Now she's even better.  Her gun is only for setup or polishing off enemiles.  Otherwise, she's a freezi'splode machine with her turret for minor CC (folks seem to hate on turret's shock ability, but I've saved people countless times by hurling it into enemies and stunning the whole group).

I'm with you on more female characters, Rebel Raven, but let's not downplay some of the female characters we have.  They have strengths and weaknesses like the male classes, and they have appearances which range from armored to skin tight like the male classes.  "Coolness" and "hardcoreness" are subjective; they aren't a skill you put points into.

Also, shameless plug:  If we get a female Quarian Marksman, can she look like this?

standalone-complex.deviantart.com/gallery/

It's a commission I had done by Peter Ortiz a few years back of a character I write about.

Au contraire, while Demolisher has her grenades, and they are capable, they are finite, and when not using them, her weapon use is no better than anyone else's frankly.

She's a grand character, but she's not up to my standards as a front line soldier combatant which, thanks to male characters, are set fairly high.

She may not need AR, or marksman, but her grenades are finite. Without them, she's -relying- on weapons, and in her hands they're no better than in the hands of most every other non weapons platforms class. That'd be my point on her.

FQE? I love her. She's my go to class, and favorite, but it's not for her raw power that's for sure. She's a wonderfully flexible class, but she's not above needing weapons to kill things in a timely manner, even -with- the post patch fixes.

And there in lies another problem I have with the game. Most female characters just aren't getting any new guns, or old ones buffed worth using since most are cooldown conscious, and guns get heavy, and mods can make them heavier these days.

I regularly get second place in matches with FQE, or did before the patch, no matter who was in 3rd, or 4th. Never quite got 1st often, but I think I did well with her with nothing but an SMG, and gear in silver.

I'm not saying our current characters are trash! Not in the slightest! I'd go back and play them just fine even if we got 16 female characters in a DLC. 
I'm saying none that we have particularly fit some playstyles. I.E. The high Defense juggernaught of melee, the well defended weapons expert that tears down bosses with weapon boosting powers. And even with HFSol, we only have -one- female soldier? After ALL this time not a new one was added? I mean come -on-. How am I supposed to not notice that?

14 missed opportunities for these character archetypes just sucked immensely and sucked the joy out of MP for me for a while, and made me question why I love bioware. That doesn't include previous DLCs! So many missed opportunities!

FQSol? Could've been easy to allow, no? Why is he a guy? That's my question.

And, yes, either that design works excellently for the sadly non existant FQSol.

[Rebel_Raven]

Cyonan wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

While the Demolisher can carry any weapon in the game just fine, but lets not overlook the fact she has no power like adrenaline rush, or marksman to buff her weapon damage output making her squarely sub par vs soldiers which means I don't count her as a weapons platform class. Just really close to it.

Yes, she's an engineer, but she's probably one of the most likely heavy weapons combatants and she STILL can't catch up in pure weapons damage which is one of the most important things in the game.

There's the Human Female Soldier, but who brags about adrenaline rush?

Adrenaline Rush is actually an amazing ability, but we don't use it to speed run and it can't make you immortal so it doesn't get much mention on the BSN.

I used to say that the Human Soldiers were the best Soldiers in the game, but the N7 Destroyer had to go and be better then either of them(I don't think he's incredibly far ahead, though), so they're second place now.

Also we need another Krogan. One that has an ability that gets boosted by +melee damage. Doesn't seem right that the Krogan didn't get that.

Yeah, speaking of speedruns, is there a woman out there that's good for those?

AR is a nice ability, I won't discount that. But like you said, it's not quite up there.

And yes, a Krogan with melee bonuses would be awesome.

[Deucetipher]

I'd say the Fury is tolerably good for speed running if hosting. AF+Throw, with the instant recharge evo for throw. Any infil is ok if you throw a piranha or claymore on them.

[Cyonan]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Yeah, speaking of speedruns, is there a woman out there that's good for those?

AR is a nice ability, I won't discount that. But like you said, it's not quite up there.

And yes, a Krogan with melee bonuses would be awesome.

Speed running, or at least competitive speed running, is about min/maxing. There is no equality and there never will be in min/maxing. Something needs to hold top spot and right now it's the robot. Before that it was biotics. Plenty of female characters are good at speed running though, and the Human Soldier is among them.

AR has its' upsides, and it does work better with certain weapons than Devastator Mode does. It just doesn't get the spotlight on the BSN because it doesn't boost accuracy which is what is needed to turn shotguns into sniper rifles, which is what people complain about being "OP". If a female character ever gets an accuracy boost of 25% or higher, she'll join the trio. It's as simple as that.

As far as weapons platforms go, the Human Female Soldier, Human Female Infiltrator, and Quarian Female Infiltrator all can wield weapons very effectively, however the mechanics of their abilities tend to favour slower harder hitting weapons, perferable single shot weapons like the Claymore. AR can do a bit better with the faster weapons, being pretty solid with the Typhoon I find.

[Rebel_Raven]

Cyonan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

You know with Characters like Ashley, FemShep, Samara, Tali, probably EDI too in the SP, that alone says there can female characters as tough as Male characters for the MP. So why not add those?

I don't really see how Tali/EDI come off as tough in the SP. At least physically.

EDI's Defense Matrix probably kicked ass.

Tali had a defense drone.

NeferiusX3 wrote...

 Next multiplayer DLC, Shirtless, Blonde, long flowing haired rippling muscled He-men with spandex pants and huge bulges. They will kill the Reapers with their chiseled jaws and ludicrous levels of testosterone. I think I just have a problem with them making the Women sex objects, Samara has giant exposed boobs, they re did Ashley, EDI is basically a naked woman... Need I go on?

... What do you think Kroguards look like under those helmets?!

I'm kinda weird on the sex object topic. I mean, if a person, be they male, or female, own their sexual appearance, go I'm down with it. If it's just there? Meh.

Further, if both genders get the eyecandy treatment, it's kinda fair. Vega looks like a male stripper, Bioware took pains to keep Garrus the girl crush, Kai Leng's the brooding badboy no matter how much of an ass he was which was possibly the point, Illusive man is the suave older man for most of the game.
And THANE? Really? He's not eyecandy intended?

Heck, I even get the vibe off Wrex.

Mordin might appeal to people. He's got a charisma, and some women like the skinny guys.

Bioware didn't make their aliens ugly.... cept the batarians who were initially slated to be the big bads, and the Vorcha with their weird forehead nostril hole things... *Cough*

So I could live with Samara, and Ashley, and EDI. It has nothing to do with my attraction to women! <.< >.>

MearasNZ wrote...

Interesting that you think it could be conditioning, after all. I grew up in a military family; my father was a soldier and fought in the Vietnam war. Back in the day when I was a kid living in army bases, female soldiers were few and far between and they certainly didn't participate in any frontline warfare. I then had a diet of buffed and burly macho FPS characters - "Doomguy" and "Wolfenstein Guy", Duke Nukem, Gordon Freeman (wait...). It is probably no wonder then that I usually select a male character to go shoot s**t up.

Still doesn't bother me, though I would be absolutely chuffed if Fem Drell, Krogs, and Turians found a place within the Hallowed Halls of MP, I would be completely stoked; but at the same time I'm not going to stop playing the game I love, or lose faith in the development team, or lose any sleep over the fact that those characters are not there. (And please don't take offence to that because it was not a statement directed at you and what you are posting about - it's just my humble opinion).

I know. I'm not gunna think badly about you for not having a problem. Everyone's diffirent, everyone has opinions, and I respect that. I appreciate your input on the matter. :3

Deucetipher wrote...

Respectfully OP, ME3 as a game is incredibly progressive in its gender and sexual politics. While your complaints certainly have merit, I feel it is unfair to focus so strongly on the MP and disregard the great lengths to which Bioware went to make the game relatable for everyone.

Without judgment or humor, Bioware included same-sex relationships and generally avoided falling into the tropes of gender politics. FemShep is just as much in charge of her sexuality as ManShep is. FemShep was featured in promotional materials, and currently graces the cover of my game.

While I certainly can't place myself directly in your shoes, I grew up Latino in the deep south. There aren't many Hispanic heroes in games, either. I personally do not feel the sense of alienation you describe, but I do, almost without fail, play as men in games. Feels odd to play cross gendered for me, at least if in a roleplaying game.

Insofar as the MP is concerned, you raise a valid concern. I just think that one should recognize the efforts to which Bioware has gone to make a game that is significantly more progressive then the typical AAA title.

BTW, you should check out Wet. It's a highly entertaining shooter featuring an admittedly euro-centrically beautiful female protagonist. However, if I recall correctly, the game avoids sexualizing her, and she kicks major ass. Another, better, game is Mirror's Edge, with which I am sure you are familiar.

I'd love to keep Bioware's story mode in mind, but 14 male characters and 2 females really takes the cake! I kept SP in mind until this DLC.

I was playing mass effect on ME1, and I EAGERLY entered a contest to get the speical edition ME1, and I got it, and I LOVED IT. ME2? Got it! Loved it! I couldn't carry over from 1 coz I went from 360 to PS3, BUT, I still loved it!
ME3? I loved every second of the story... at least after I loaded the ME2 gameplay. lol Man ME3 was rough without it. That said, I was invested in Mass effect's story side.

I still respect the story, and if they added more to it, I'd probably love it. But MP is the future of the series, and it's tarnishing the respect.

The decay of the spirit of ME in MP is what's really hitting me so hard, and I'm glad you're saying I have valid points.

Wet? Got it, love it. I appreciate the option to play a foulmouthed, angry, violent woman now and then. It's really refreshing!
Ruby had something of a cheesecake moment or two, but yeah, she wasn't some bikini clad supermodel. Still, a lovely, lovely woman! And voiced by Eliza Dushku! Who voiced Shaundi in Saints Row 2 among other roles. I'm a fan!

Mirrors edge was a little hard. Still, I liked it.

[AresKeith]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

You know with Characters like Ashley, FemShep, Samara, Tali, probably EDI too in the SP, that alone says there can female characters as tough as Male characters for the MP. So why not add those?

I don't really see how Tali/EDI come off as tough in the SP. At least physically.

EDI's Defense Matrix probably kicked ass.

Tali had a defense drone.

They rarely went down when I had them in my squad. EDI was almost a Tank with Defense Matrix, her only real problem was her recharge speed

And defense drone is a really good ability (which I'm surprised its not in the MP yet)

[Rebel_Raven]

Deucetipher wrote...

I'd say the Fury is tolerably good for speed running if hosting. AF+Throw, with the instant recharge evo for throw. Any infil is ok if you throw a piranha or claymore on them.

Cyonan wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Yeah, speaking of speedruns, is there a woman out there that's good for those?

AR is a nice ability, I won't discount that. But like you said, it's not quite up there.

And yes, a Krogan with melee bonuses would be awesome.

Speed running, or at least competitive speed running, is about min/maxing. There is no equality and there never will be in min/maxing. Something needs to hold top spot and right now it's the robot. Before that it was biotics. Plenty of female characters are good at speed running though, and the Human Soldier is among them.

AR has its' upsides, and it does work better with certain weapons than Devastator Mode does. It just doesn't get the spotlight on the BSN because it doesn't boost accuracy which is what is needed to turn shotguns into sniper rifles, which is what people complain about being "OP". If a female character ever gets an accuracy boost of 25% or higher, she'll join the trio. It's as simple as that.

As far as weapons platforms go, the Human Female Soldier, Human Female Infiltrator, and Quarian Female Infiltrator all can wield weapons very effectively, however the mechanics of their abilities tend to favour slower harder hitting weapons, perferable single shot weapons like the Claymore. AR can do a bit better with the faster weapons, being pretty solid with the Typhoon I find.

Noted, and double noted. Thank you both.

[Xaijin]

Cyonan wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

While the Demolisher can carry any weapon in the game just fine, but lets not overlook the fact she has no power like adrenaline rush, or marksman to buff her weapon damage output making her squarely sub par vs soldiers which means I don't count her as a weapons platform class. Just really close to it.

Yes, she's an engineer, but she's probably one of the most likely heavy weapons combatants and she STILL can't catch up in pure weapons damage which is one of the most important things in the game.

There's the Human Female Soldier, but who brags about adrenaline rush?

Adrenaline Rush is actually an amazing ability, but we don't use it to speed run and it can't make you immortal so it doesn't get much mention on the BSN.

I used to say that the Human Soldiers were the best Soldiers in the game, but the N7 Destroyer had to go and be better then either of them(I don't think he's incredibly far ahead, though), so they're second place now.

Also we need another Krogan. One that has an ability that gets boosted by +melee damage. Doesn't seem right that the Krogan didn't get that.

I'm working on a PURE melee krogan. There will be pictures. Hopefully bioware will be listening.

[ntrisley]

Rebel_Raven wrote...
Also overlooked the fact that there has NEVER been a new female soldier. Nevermind a compeditor to the destroyer, or krogans.

So where's the male competitor for the Shadow, Demolisher, Fury, or the Asari Justicar/Vanguard/Adept? It's not until this DLC that we have a male character with Stasis...and it's a freaking Volus.
Heck--we're also just getting a male character with Sabotage too in the form of the Turian Engineer (not yet released).

Door swings both ways. The simple fact of the matter is that it's "sexist" when it affects you, but it's "gender equality" when it doesn't.

Not everyone wants to play the single gender characters. I know I certainly have no bloody interest in playing the Shadow or Fury most of the time, and the only reason I'll play the Demolisher is that the Supply Pylon is too good to pass up.

It's why I'm a very big proponent for them allowing us to get some measure of customization for the class archetypes in allowing us to "Retrain" and ditch a single kit skill and replace it with another kit skill from the same general purview (i.e. Concussive Shot for Carnage, as we saw with the BF3 Soldier) and allow us to have the option to have an "Alternate Appearance" as well for the various kits.

Something like that would go a long way towards "evening things out".

[Elotana]

In the abstract, I agree with the OP about the lack of equal representation for women. I'm not sure if it's fair to blame the MP team, though, since they're probably tied to SP lore in terms of art assets and models (like how the N7 characters are reskins of SP characters/armor) most likely for console development reasons. So look at what they're limited to:

Two major races with lore stating that females are rare and therefore not in battle (Salarian, Krogan)
Five others where we've never seen a female in-game or know much about them (Turian, Drell, Volus, Vorcha, Batarian)
Geth, who are genderless

I agree the situation is unequal, but it stems from choices made by the SP writers, not the MP team.

Modifié par Elotana, 11 octobre 2012 - 03:12 .

[Elotana]

ntrisley wrote...

So where's the male competitor for the Shadow, Demolisher, Fury, or the Asari Justicar/Vanguard/Adept? It's not until this DLC that we have a male character with Stasis...and it's a freaking Volus. 

Heck--we're also just getting a male character with Sabotage too in the form of the Turian Engineer (not yet released).

Door swings both ways. The simple fact of the matter is that it's "sexist" when it affects you, but it's "gender equality" when it doesn't.

Yes, these things sure are exactly the same!