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[Feneckus]

Collector SMG X vs Hurricane III :

[Ryan_H]

CSMG is horrible...the worst UR since the PPR in its original form, possibly even worse.

Its also buggy like the PPR was when it comes to reloading.

BW is definitely trolling us with making it UR.

[Arcadian_Sentinel]

Rifneno wrote...

Arcadian_Sentinel wrote...

at Is OP and UR, Btw Im new to the forums XD

OP = Overpowered
UR = Ultra rare

I thank you 

[Rifneno]

Feneckus wrote...

Collector SMG X vs Hurricane III :

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[Necrotron]

Nvm.

Modifié par Bathaius, 11 octobre 2012 - 02:11 .

[IcarusAloft]

Stardusk wrote...

Cake Tasty wrote...

People kept asking for more SMGs

We (I) asked for the Bloodpack Punisher...and I hope we still get it.

Now here is an interesting point.  The BPP is pretty decent in SP, and worth the weight....and the wait?  

[scheherazade]

As usual, the culprit is the varying armor DR between difficulty settings - and how it disproportionately affects fast firing low damage weapons.

The gun is powerful on bronze, and trash on gold.

Fixing it on gold would make it OP on bronze.

Impossible to balance, so long as armor DR changes between difficulties.



Armor DR needs to be made the same across all difficulties, and enemy HP needs to be scaled to maintain tougher enemies on higher difficulties.

Then you can finally balance all guns to be of proper power relative to each other - and they will always be that powerful relative to each other, regardless of difficulty setting.

-scheherazade

[Gwyphon]

I don't think the heat sink actually works on it. Really needs to have that fixed and/or (probably and) have its reload animation fixed. This is all that has to be done to make it a plausable weapon (it's seriously like a 6 second reload which you can't cancel)\\

Edit: Or remove the need to physically reload it at all and instead just make it not able to shoot for 5-8 seconds after fully depleting, then returning to normal.

Modifié par Gwyphon, 11 octobre 2012 - 10:22 .

[AppealToReason]

If the heat sink worked, which I'm damn near positive it doesn't, then it wouldn't be so bad.

The big thing that bothers me is that it says it has a bonus against armor but I'm pretty sure if I pissed on a brute it would do more damage.

[Seargent_Braken]

IcarusAloft wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Cake Tasty wrote...

People kept asking for more SMGs

We (I) asked for the Bloodpack Punisher...and I hope we still get it.

Now here is an interesting point.  The BPP is pretty decent in SP, and worth the weight....and the wait?  

Yeah, now THAT would most likely be worth being UR.

The Adas, on the other hand, would have to be UUUUUUUR, to justify it if it was just like it is in SP...

[rymajn3]

Stardusk wrote...

mgc1971 wrote...

xcaliz0rz wrote...

Have you considered the possibility that you might be doing it wrong?

Extended Clip, High Caliber Barrel, AP Ammo works wonders.

THIS.Every time I read someone's message claiming that the SMG sucks it makes me laugh.Learn to use and stop complaining , the gun is really good , at least at X

Learn how to use it. Well, I have a measely Hurricane II and it is MUCH better than my Collector SMG I and how many people have it at X? No reason to ever use it over the Hurricane.

Because every class has stability bonuses....

[Tpayne80]

It doesn't suck. www.youtube.com/watch Xcal was kicking **** with it.

Modifié par Tpayne80, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:10 .

[corporal doody]

useless? i dunno...all i know is at level I....that thing goes empty in a fraction of a second once you tap the trigger.

[Blind2Society]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

... so who in ehre is the brainless one exactly?

In the one corner, I see Stardusk, that has a founded experience going for his argumentation (I would know, because he popped into my match and I could see how pitiful the weapon was performing).

In the other corner, I see k1ngl1ves, that entered this thread with nothing but disdainful insults and silly nonsense.


Hmm, ... such a lively bout, reaaaally hard to decide.

My thoughts exactly.


As for the weapon itself, it is absolute garbage.

[MrScottBear]

Tpayne80 wrote...

It doesn't suck. www.youtube.com/watch Xcal was kicking **** with it.

All guns are at worst decent when you load up AMPs and such.  Not to mention up to 45% extra damage on top of that with both Mines.

Modifié par MrScottBear, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[IronRush]

I got one yesterday. Don't like also. Very small clip and left punch to armored targets. Different from weapon description.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I thought that mine was borderline overpowered when I used it, I got used to tapping the trigger in bursts so it didn't completely empty. I took it on gold with some AP ammo, densified ammunition and an SMG amp and it ate everything. It felt like a really accurate Hurricane, but you had to watch the ammo count so you never reach zero. I have used it without mods of course too, and I think its great.

[Maker MEDA]

It's not unusual for Bioware to balance weapons after they're release. Just like the Argus. Playing it on bronze, it's kinda interesting.

[SlimJim0725]

Not that I wouldn't mind a buff for it, but Collector SMG X is a BEAST if you set it up correctly and go for headshots. The greatest 2 assets of the weapon are the insane accuracy and the ammo regeneration. I use it as a primary on many casting characters and a secondary on others and it is simply amazing.

[Shotgun Nova]

Tpayne80 wrote...

It doesn't suck. www.youtube.com/watch Xcal was kicking **** with it.

Well, Xcal destroys things with all weapons, so that's a given.

But it doesn't look bad, even though I don't have it.

[vironblood]

The DLC files list the damage for the Collector SMG as 75.2/94.1 (I/X). However, testing by peddroelmz revealed in game damage to be 37.4 at level I (calculated X base damage 46.8).

I'm curious about the discrepancy.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Stardusk wrote...

k1ngl1ves wrote...

Ahh... Another unsatisfying anger/troll thread from our favorite/brainless OP.

Who is a troll? Have you tried it? It is total junk.

Yes, The CSMG is not worth its UR status, would need 2x the damage or 1.5x the damage with 2x the ammo to be worth it. (not exact numbers, just quick ones)

And you are still a troll.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Here are some exact numbers:

M-12 Locust X (Uncommon)
Burst: 468.42
Sustained: 372.75
Clip: 25
RoF: 550
Weight: 0.30

CSMG X (Ultra-Rare)
Burst: 624.00
Sustained: 312.00
Clip: 40
RoF: 800
Weight: 0.35

Hurricane (Promo UR)
Burst: 1281.00
Sustained: 931.64
Clip: 40
RoF: 600
Weight: .45

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 12 octobre 2012 - 03:52 .

[Sulaco_7]

Feneckus wrote...

Collector SMG X vs Hurricane III :

This picture makes no sense.  The numbers say:

Collector SMG X: 46.8 damage per shot
Hurricane III: 108.19 damage per shot

What's going on???

[Kalas Magnus]

Ok i've seen the stats now. It has a dps of 624. It needs a major buff.

Modifié par Kalas321, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:24 .